Islamophiles / Regressive Left - Liberal non-Muslims who are desperate to protect the Religion of Peace

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Yeah, here's a guy who was mayor of Tirana, the capital of Albania, a European country which is almost 60% Muslim. He's not exactly very brown.

Also his name is Lulzim.

Man, Mr. Big from Sex and the City really let himself go a bit.

 

[Somsnosa]

Talkin of Tirana, a peculiarity you'll notice is that the muslim women with light skin are much probably born there, and don't wear the veil, while those with darker skin and arabic features are much probably immigrants and do wear the veil indeed.
Tirana is sort of a '70 iran

 

[Steve Mayers]

Well I think it's okay to acknowledge isis and white supremacists separately.

Both groups oddly enough share more in common than they'd ever care to admit to.

 

[cypocryphy]

Both groups oddly enough share more in common than they'd ever care to admit to.

Well, Hitler really admired Islam and even wished the Franks had lost of the battle of Tours.

 

[GentlemanFaggot]

Talkin of Tirana, a peculiarity you'll notice is that the muslim women with light skin are much probably born there, and don't wear the veil, while those with darker skin and arabic features are much probably immigrants and do wear the veil indeed.
Tirana is sort of a '70 iran

Who the fuck would migrate to Albania?

 

[The Valeyard]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Degrassi: Next Class in this thread yet, since it presents it's Muslim characters as "those most affected" by acts of terrorism.

 

[Ruin]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Degrassi: Next Class in this thread yet, since it presents it's Muslim characters as "those most affected" by acts of terrorism.

That's actually true though. While European truck of peace attacks and stabbings are terrible look at Middle Eastern news networks sometime. Suicide/truck attacks that kill/wound 100+ people happen on an almost weekly basis in Pakistan/Iraq. In the absence of infidels to kill radical Muslims frequently mass slaughter each other for being the "wrong kind of Muslims."

 

[The Valeyard]

That's actually true though. While European truck of peace attacks and stabbings are terrible look at Middle Eastern news networks sometime. Suicide/truck attacks that kill/wound 100+ people happen on an almost weekly basis in Pakistan/Iraq. In the absence of infidels to kill radical Muslims frequently mass slaughter each other for being the "wrong kind of Muslims."

I know, but the writers of Degrassi: Next Class are SJWs, so they are more concerned with the "Islamophobia" that Canadian Muslims face.

 

[friedshrimp]

That's actually true though. While European truck of peace attacks and stabbings are terrible look at Middle Eastern news networks sometime. Suicide/truck attacks that kill/wound 100+ people happen on an almost weekly basis in Pakistan/Iraq. In the absence of infidels to kill radical Muslims frequently mass slaughter each other for being the "wrong kind of Muslims."

Yeah, but usually the type of "muslims victim of terrorism" thing is referred is when a white boy looks wrongly at some girl wearing a hijab.

 

[Somsnosa]

Who the fuck would migrate to Albania?

Albania and Romania are growing fast and living there is very cheap. Who the fuck would not migrate to Albania?

 

[Never Go Full Greer]

Albania and Romania are growing fast and living there is very cheap. Who the fuck would not migrate to Albania?

Almost anybody with a better option, of which there are many. Both of those are terrible countries, Albania being the comparatively worse of the two. There's not enough money in Europe to convince me to surround myself with Islamic shqiptars who are trying to further destabilize their region by making bullshit nationalist claims to Serbian and Macedonian territory. Only Moldova and Ukraine are poorer in Europe, and the latter is being torn apart by civil war. So their growth - a hardly impressive 3.47% in the last year - is a function of being so poor that even modest gains seem substantial, because the base number is so damn low.

If you're looking for a very cheap country that isn't abundantly horrible, Georgia is a much better option. By certain metrics currently poorer than Albania, but with a much more promising future, and a population of people who aren't utterly worthless. Much better business environment too.

 

[Chemical snorfare]

Albania and Romania are growing fast and living there is very cheap. Who the fuck would not migrate to Albania?

Having lived in London over the last 15 years, just about all of their gangsters, pickpockets, drug dealers, professional beggars and prostitute sisters.

 

[Chris did nothing wrong]

All of this with the burka and whatnot is funny enough Cultural Imperialism.

The people who were into all of this were literally in the middle of a desert for hundreds of years and then they conquered everyone else.

Really, it is best to view Muhammad as a conqueror figure like Alexander the Great, Hannibal, Genghis Khan, Timur, or Napoleon rather than some cartoonist supervillain or godly hero. Fuck if Islam wasn't around he would've been remembered as a decent military leader. But unfortunately controversy from these folks prevent us from really discussing the time period freely. Shame.

 

[Never Go Full Greer]

Really, it is best to view Muhammad as a conqueror figure like Alexander the Great, Hannibal, Genghis Khan, Timur, or Napoleon rather than some cartoonist supervillain or godly hero. Fuck if Islam wasn't around he would've been remembered as a decent military leader. But unfortunately controversy from these folks prevent us from really discussing the time period freely. Shame.

There's a reason why he isn't viewed like those people though...he started a religion, and one whose core tenants include the principle that he is the perfect embodiment of man, and that all should strive to emulate his example as closely as possible in perpetuity, except with otherwise noted (like the wife cap; normal Muslims are limited to four, Muhammad had fifteen wives and four concubines). So when you have a genocidal, pedophilic, rapist bigot saying that everybody should be exactly like him, and a billion and a half people believe that, you have a very real present day problem, so talking about him in the abstract as a military leader is pretty silly.

 

[Chris did nothing wrong]

There's a reason why he isn't viewed like those people though...he started a religion, and one whose core tenants include the principle that he is the perfect embodiment of man, and that all should strive to emulate his example as closely as possible in perpetuity

The other people I listed certainly believed that about themselves as well. I see Muhammad as no more evil than any authoritarian leader, the difference is solely in current influence.

 

[Never Go Full Greer]

The other people I listed certainly believed that about themselves as well. I see Muhammad as no more evil than any authoritarian leader, the difference is solely in current influence.

Really? Please direct me to any writings from those individuals, or which purport to quote them and are generally regarded as credible, where they advocated that for all of time people who follow(ed) them should engage in genocide and pedophilia. I'll wait.

 

[Chris did nothing wrong]

Really? Please direct me to any writings from those individuals, or which purport to quote them and are generally regarded as credible, where they advocated that for all of time people who follow(ed) them should engage in genocide and pedophilia. I'll wait.

You say genocide as if the concept itself occurred upon the day Muhammad found the Banu Qurayza. The ancient world was not a peaceful place. Genghis Khan exterminated approximately half of Mongol tribes, killing entire nations. Timur killed 5% of the world’s population, targeting Christains, Jews, and Shi’ites. Ran Min killed hundreds of thousands of Chinese minorities based on their appearance. Shaka Zulu slaughtered neighboring tribes under Mfecane, doing a better job depopulating Africa than colonizer. The Manchu killed a whopping 80% of the Dzungar. The Moari almost wiped out the populations on neighboring islands. You don’t do any of that on accident and without great disdain for those unlike you. Or without a bunch of people agreeing with you and carrying out those acts. Seeing Muhammad as a typical phenomenon of human history, rather than a horrendous oddity, helps seeing how Islam gained traction in the first place and why it’s still around.

 

[Somsnosa]

I agree with CDNW on this one. Julius Ceasar and Napoleon were both anti-republic and wanted to be venerated as emperors, and had no problem killing to achieve that. And yet they're very beloved figures (I love both myself...)
Muhammad was another military with thirst for power, and did nasty shit, but he's dead and buried. What his followers do today is their responsibility. Weird that we almost never mention the Califf when talking of this stuff, when it's this figure ISIS refers to mostly.

 

[dcfcfan1]

Problem with ISLAM is that the religion is out-dated, and it needs to be updated. Christianity is based on forgiveness and things got better when they replaced the old testament with the new one. Maybe Islam needs to do the same?

 

[Never Go Full Greer]

You say genocide as if the concept itself occurred upon the day Muhammad found the Banu Qurayza. The ancient world was not a peaceful place. Genghis Khan exterminated approximately half of Mongol tribes, killing entire nations. Timur killed 5% of the world’s population, targeting Christains, Jews, and Shi’ites. Ran Min killed hundreds of thousands of Chinese minorities based on their appearance. Shaka Zulu slaughtered neighboring tribes under Mfecane, doing a better job depopulating Africa than colonizer. The Manchu killed a whopping 80% of the Dzungar. The Moari almost wiped out the populations on neighboring islands. You don’t do any of that on accident and without great disdain for those unlike you. Or without a bunch of people agreeing with you and carrying out those acts. Seeing Muhammad as a typical phenomenon of human history, rather than a horrendous oddity, helps seeing how Islam gained traction in the first place and why it’s still around.

Again, the point is not that violence is unique to Muhammad. Rather, the permanent command that followers commit violence, even ~1400 years after his death, is unique. The various great killers of history killed in their day in service of a political agenda that wasn't meant to span the course of human history. Muhammad theologized his violence and pedophilia so that he could make it a permanent obligation.