Connor's Official Juno Ending Debate Thread

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I just logged in for the first time in several months to point out that Juno was a young adult comedy that wasn't really meant to be taken srsly.

I mean a lot of the running time was just Juno saying quirky and doing illogical things like putting all her furniture on her lawn and sitting on it.

This isn't a subject worthy of "debate", and it wasn't an ending open to interpretation. It had a classic Hollywood ending that befitted a quirky young adult comedy that was pretty overrated in general.
 
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Is it mere coincidence that we began this meaningful and thought provoking discussion of Juno at the beginning of June? I think not!
 
So for anyone who didn't watch the movie:

  • Juno takes some mathlete's virginity and gets preggo.
  • She goes to have an abortion but is dissuaded when a protester mentions that the fetus is probably already developing fingernails.
    • Inside the abortion clinic she starts having a panic attack when she sees all the fingernails.
  • She instead seeks a surrogate.
  • The majority of the movie deals with the surrogates and her highschool friends.
  • Surrogate father chooses to end his marriage before the adoption.
  • Surrogate mother continues with the adoption.
  • Bleaker (biological father) and Juno fall in love again and the movie ends with them playing a song together.

I suppose what Connor's really upset about is that the mother is opting to adopt the child by herself without the surrogate father. The movie's actually pretty decent in that its theme is that every aspect of life, even those that people try to plan out (like an adoption), are probably going to fall to shit. Nothing works like you want it, especially when dealing with other people.

There's no reason to be mad, though. The reason why the mother doesn't want to get pregnant by herself is that she has a high-paying job she can't take maternity leave off to have by herself. Even without the dad she's well off and single parent homes are extremely common. The moral of the story is basically to do what makes you happy.

  • Juno chooses to have the baby over an abortion.
  • Surrogate father leaves his wife of X years to live by himself again.
  • Surrogate mother adopts the baby anyways.
  • Bleaker and Juno get back together and start their band like nothing ever happened.
If anything it's blase. This shit is just how the world works. Stop crying.
 
Known plenty of people who came from single parents homes and they turned out just fine. Known almost as many people who were adopted, a couple of whom didn't find out until later in life, and they didn't go on shooting sprees either. Sure, some of them resented their parent(s), but they weren't sociopaths. Most of them got along just fine, because (shock) they had built up emotional bonds their entire lives. They literally didn't know any different. The most extreme one was a kid I knew who went back to the country he was born in and looked for his birth parents, as an adult. He became much more interested in his ethnicity, but he didn't get violent or become some sort of xenophobe.

Adoptions and single parent homes have existed forever, and to pretend otherwise is ridiculous. It's just that the whole "family values" crowd pushes the idea of the nuclear family and "traditional" marriage, as if that's all it takes to prevent a school shooting. As often as not, shooters have been straight white Protestants from relatively normal families. It's a more complex issue than either Conservatives or Liberals want to discuss.
 
Null said:
So for anyone who didn't watch the movie:

  • Juno takes some mathlete's virginity and gets preggo.
  • She goes to have an abortion but is dissuaded when a protester mentions that the fetus is probably already developing fingernails.
    • Inside the abortion clinic she starts having a panic attack when she sees all the fingernails.
  • She instead seeks a surrogate.
  • The majority of the movie deals with the surrogates and her highschool friends.
  • Surrogate father chooses to end his marriage before the adoption.
  • Surrogate mother continues with the adoption.
  • Bleaker (biological father) and Juno fall in love again and the movie ends with them playing a song together.

I suppose what Connor's really upset about is that the mother is opting to adopt the child by herself without the surrogate father. The movie's actually pretty decent in that its theme is that every aspect of life, even those that people try to plan out (like an adoption), are probably going to fall to shit. Nothing works like you want it, especially when dealing with other people.

There's no reason to be mad, though. The reason why the mother doesn't want to get pregnant by herself is that she has a high-paying job she can't take maternity leave off to have by herself. Even without the dad she's well off and single parent homes are extremely common. The moral of the story is basically to do what makes you happy.

  • Juno chooses to have the baby over an abortion.
  • Surrogate father leaves his wife of X years to live by himself again.
  • Surrogate mother adopts the baby anyways.
  • Bleaker and Juno get back together and start their band like nothing ever happened.
If anything it's blase. This shit is just how the world works. Stop crying.
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It's blasé but I think it's supposed to be. Juno and Bleaker end the movie as if nothing happened and that's life sometimes. The moral I got out of it is no matter what happens, be it pregnancy or divorce, you can still have control over your life.

ALSO! Jupiter was Juno 's wife, her sons were Mars and Vulcan.
 
^ Good to know. Mars or Vulcan it is.

It is my humble opinion that Juno, being a coming of age comedy-drama, isn't really meant to cause intense debate and bear a lot of scrutiny. After all, it was written by a stripper, for fuck's sake. Sometimes, movies are best taken for what they are. I enjoy some of Michael Bay's films, myself, not for the art of cinema or storytelling, but for entertainment. At it's heart, Juno is a feel-good movie. It's not Neon Genesis Evangelion. It's not Blade Runner. It's not even Shakespeare. It should be accepted for what it is, and not torn apart for what it isn't.
 
Pikonic said:
It's blasé but I think it's supposed to be. Juno and Bleaker end the movie as if nothing happened and that's life sometimes. The moral I got out of it is no matter what happens, be it pregnancy or divorce, you can still have control over your life.

ALSO! Jupiter was Juno 's wife, her sons were Mars and Vulcan.
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At the end of the day, a movie's supposed to be entertaining. Something being blase doesn't doom a film, but it certainly doesn't help.

Connor said:
It is my humble opinion that Juno, being a coming of age comedy-drama, isn't really meant to cause intense debate and bear a lot of scrutiny.
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Why'd you start this thread?

Connor said:
After all, it was written by a stripper, for fuck's sake.
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Heh, what's wrong with strippers? (Serious question.)

Connor said:
Sometimes, movies are best taken for what they are. I enjoy some of Michael Bay's films, myself, not for the art of cinema or storytelling, but for entertainment. At it's heart, Juno is a feel-good movie. It's not Neon Genesis Evangelion. It's not Blade Runner. It's not even Shakespeare. It should be accepted for what it is, and not torn apart for what it isn't.
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Well yeah, sometimes you just want a cheeseburger, not necessarily prime rib.
 
Connor said:
After all, it was written by a stripper, for fuck's sake.
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Yeah, but a hot stripper.

Sometimes, movies are best taken for what they are. I enjoy some of Michael Bay's films, myself, not for the art of cinema or storytelling, but for entertainment
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Michael Bay can be fun, but he isn't terribly original. I'm kind of dreading what he might do to TMNT, for example. Stop destroying my childhood! Ah well, could be worse. Could be bloody Uwe Boll... how does that idiot keep making movies?
 
Mogambo said:
Michael Bay can be fun, but he isn't terribly original. I'm kind of dreading what he might do to TMNT, for example. Stop destroying my childhood! Ah well, could be worse. Could be bloody Uwe Boll... how does that idiot keep making movies?
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I never cared much about TMNT either way. But I saw the trailer for that movie, and it looked absolutely hilarious. I've said this before (maybe just in chat, I can't remember), but I'm totally going to get stoned and go see it when it comes out. Because seriously, a live action TMNT movie? Giant, CGI turtles walking around? Sounds like a riot.
 
Marvin said:
I never cared much about TMNT either way. But I saw the trailer for that movie, and it looked absolutely hilarious. I've said this before (maybe just in chat, I can't remember), but I'm totally going to get stoned and go see it when it comes out. Because seriously, a live action TMNT movie? Giant, CGI turtles walking around? Sounds like a riot.
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people go to the movies sober?!
 
Marvin said:
I never cared much about TMNT either way.
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Meh. I liked it for a while when I was a kid. To be honest, I wouldn't have thought about it in years if I didn't have a friend who was obsessed with it, and if I hadn't seen the old TMNT game at an arcade last year (talk about nostalgia, right?). I just feel like Michael Bay is mining the 80s for his newer movies, and as someone who grew up in that era, I already had my own idea of what those cartoons/toys/comics should look like on the big screen.

But I saw the trailer for that movie, and it looked absolutely hilarious.
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Haven't seen the trailer yet because I don't have a TV right now, but I saw the muscly turtle pics on the internet a while back and it kind of... looked gross to be honest. Of course, the pics of Quicksilver from X-Men: Days of Future Past looked kind of silly too and he easily turned out being one of the best parts of that movie so I suppose I should be less fanboyish.

Oddly enough, I didn't have nearly as much of a problem with Megan Fox being cast as April O'Neil, despite her being pretty terrible in Transformers. Go figure that I care more about crappy turtle monsters than actual people. Haha...

I've said this before (maybe just in chat, I can't remember), but I'm totally going to get stoned and go see it when it comes out. Because seriously, a live action TMNT movie? Giant, CGI turtles walking around? Sounds like a riot.
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Yeah, this is true. I'll never forget the first movie I saw while high, at least in theatres. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. It was great. Of course, I'd still wager that the Harry Potter movies were probably better than TMNT but they're still just entertainment. Just don't tell Chris. You know how he gets about things that steal Sonic's thunder...
 
Connor said:
After all, it was written by a stripper, for fuck's sake.
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Whats wrong with being a stripper? Stripping has put a lot of people through school, and that stripper not only had a movie made but is now more famous then most of us. who are you to judge?

It's not Neon Genesis Evangelion. It's not Blade Runner. It's not even Shakespeare. It should be accepted for what it is, and not torn apart for what it isn't.
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Did you just put Shakespeare in the same category as Neon genesis and Blade runner?

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Observers said:
Whats wrong with being a stripper? Stripping has put a lot of people through school, and that stripper not only had a movie made but is now more famous then most of us. who are you to judge?
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Or, more on point, what would being a stripper have to do with being a good (or bad) writer?
 
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