Connor's Official Juno Ending Debate Thread

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Marvin said:
Or, more on point, what would being a stripper have to do with being a good (or bad) writer?
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I agree and to even further the point

In some ways i think a stripper would have certain advantages. Writing is about people and personalities. I get my inspiration from people i meet. A strippers whole job is to paint an illusion and fantasy for the person they are stripping for. They meet hundreds if not thousands of people a year. I am sure the combination of people they work with and work for and "dance for" give them an unending well of story ideas.

Hellblazer said:
Girls + sexy = stupid. It's basic sexist math.
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I wish i could "like" this more than once!

Very well said!
 
Observers said:
I agree and to even further the point

In some ways i think a stripper would have certain advantages. Writing is about people and personalities. I get my inspiration from people i meet. A strippers whole job is to paint an illusion and fantasy for the person they are stripping for. They meet hundreds if not thousands of people a year. I am sure the combination of people they work with and work for and "dance for" give them an unending well of story ideas.
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Oh definitely. This is what I was just telling Alex a moment ago.

To be a good writer, you're going to need stories (among other things). You can't get good stories by being a basement dweller. Just a normal person would have a better ability to come up with good stories, than a huge chunk of deviantart. And a stripper would come up with better stories than the normal person.
 
And, as I pointed out in chat, Stephen King worked as a janitor before he published his first novel, but no one's saying "that guy scrubbed toilets for a living, how good can he be?" The world, unfortunately, doesn't recognize especially talented people at birth and make sure that they're provided with a comfy nest to make art in. Sometimes you gotta hew wood and carry water.

Or maybe no amount of talent is enough to make up for being a stripper, right, Connor?
 
Connor said:
To confess, I never did see Diablo Cody's appeal. She didn't strike me as a very good writer, and still doesn't.
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Aaaand do you understand the difference between saying "she's not a very good writer" and "after all, it was written by a stripper"?
 
I was being somewhat humorous with that barb. I'm well aware of the fact that occupations alone are not indicators of good/bad writing skill.
 
Can I write a new ending to Juno
.....no?
Too bad.

Twenty years later, Juno's first son Mars is attending a university and studying music. As a music snob he's all about indie music and shit. His friend Apollo introduces him to the musical styles of Juno and Bleaker, who have become well-known (but not too well known :geek:) musicians. Mars attends a concert and realizes he looks just like Bleaker. He doesn't look into it too much until Victoria tells him he's adopted because she thought he had a right to know. He shows a picture of Juno and Bleaker to Victoria, and, despite it being a closed adoption, Victoria tells him they are his biological parents.
At another concert, Mars confronts Juno and Bleaker. Juno tells him she was too young and naive to raise a child and has since given birth to another child, their 6 year old daughter Minerva. Juno apologizes to Mars for giving him up, but he understands why she did it and says there's no need to apologize. Mars finishes college and ends up being a high school teacher, ten years later he has Minerva in his class and she's all good at music and shit too. Everyone lives all happy like. The end.
 
Pikonic said:
Can I write a new ending to Juno
.....no?
Too bad.

Twenty years later, Juno's first son Mars is attending a university and studying music. As a music snob he's all about indie music and shit. His friend Apollo introduces him to the musical styles of Juno and Bleaker, who have become well-known (but not too well known :geek:) musicians. Mars attends a concert and realizes he looks just like Bleaker. He doesn't look into it too much until Victoria tells him he's adopted a few years later. He shows a picture of Juno and Bleaker to Victoria, and, despite it being a closed adoption, Victoria tells him they are his biological parents.
At another concert, Mars confronts Juno and Bleaker. Juno tells him she was too young and naive to raise a child and has since given birth to another child, their 6 year old daughter Minerva. Juno apologizes to Mars for giving him up, but he understands why she did it and says there's no need to apologize. Mars finishes college and ends up being a high school teacher, ten years later he has Minerva in his class and she's all good at music and shit too. Everyone lives all happy like. The end.
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Needs more giant robots.
 
Hellblazer said:
Needs more giant robots.
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At Minerva's high school graduation, Mars looks at her, proud of his little sister. Then giant robots attack New York and Minerva joins the National Guard to fight them. She befriends Beep Boop, a giant robot and they do it. She tries to nuke New York to kill all the robots but accidentally hits Boston, killing Tom Brady and the New England Patriots (and the Philadelphia Eagles because why not) Gisele is a widow and I have 'sorry your husband died' sex with her. The giant robots colonize the now empty Boston, Minerva goes to college, and I have sex with Gisele again. The end.
 
Too many female characters, but it was okay. Decent popcorn flick. Didn't get the huge outrage that Smithey guy had about it being an overpowering feminist call to arms and scathing diatribe against the Bush years, but whatever.
 
The Knife said:
And then Juno and Bleaker are killed by an invasion of giant robots. In the wake of this tragedy, Mars adopts Minerva. They form a tight emotional bond that allows them amongst the few siblings on earth chosen to pilot the giant mechs that will defeat the robot invasion.
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Dammit you beat me to it! :(
 
Connor said:
I was being somewhat humorous with that barb. I'm well aware of the fact that occupations alone are not indicators of good/bad writing skill.
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It's more of a larger scale issue with sex workers and their place in society. You're obviously not claiming that it's impossible a stripper could be a good writer, but that it's merely "unlikely". But swap out a stripper with, say, a grocery store clerk, and you wouldn't make the same statement with the same amount of disgust in your message. Even though a stripper has just as much to write about as a grocery store clerk, if not much more.
 
Marvin said:
It's more of a larger scale issue with sex workers and their place in society. You're obviously not claiming that it's impossible a stripper could be a good writer, but that it's merely "unlikely". But swap out a stripper with, say, a grocery store clerk, and you wouldn't make the same statement with the same amount of disgust in your message. Even though a stripper has just as much to write about as a grocery store clerk, if not much more.
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For further examples, might I suggest the entirety of the Gloria Tesch thread?
 
let's talk about the ending to The Mist

it sucked.

Discuss
 
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