US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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harmacist said:
don't the vast majority of US farmers just grow corn, wheat, and soy due to subsidies? i don't really know anything about farming
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Unfortunately, yes. There's also a huge deal with the FDA and USDA meat farms, as they have to be funneled through a specific slaughterhouse approved for it or they can't sell meat. Null complains about this a lot actually
 
harmacist said:
don't the vast majority of US farmers just grow corn, wheat, and soy due to subsidies? i don't really know anything about farming
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yes. and even if you live out in the sticks with enough land to run cows on or whatever, there is a lot of processing that needs to happen to turn your back 40 agricultural products into sufficient nutrients for you, esp if you want to survive the winter.
 
mold said:
this isn't just a problem in rural areas, it's increasingly a problem in smaller cities. fast food is barely hanging on even in college towns. a big part of the problem is overregulation.
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This may just be my take, but what has seemed to happen over the years is that the people that live in rural areas and can travel now have no problem traveling further to do stuff like shopping. Why go to the local independent grocer if you can drive 30 miles to a big, cheap efficient store. Growing up we always shopped at the store in town, as time passed it was more common for our family to go to the larger store further away, then the next, finally 50 mile trips to the city(tm) became common to go to Costco and similar. Then you have the rural residents for which this isn't an option and finally the local overpriced(because they have to charge more) store goes out of business and people are fucked. Maybe you get a shitty Dollar General if you're lucky, otherwise the gas station is all that's left. This happens in large cities too as the stores in "those" areas realize they're losing way too much money due to theft and everyone who can go elsewhere already does and the neighborhood grocers keep closing and the people who can't make the couple mile trek are just fucked.
 
mold said:
yes. and even if you live out in the sticks with enough land to run cows on or whatever, there is a lot of processing that needs to happen to turn your back 40 agricultural products into sufficient nutrients for you, esp if you want to survive the winter.
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don't get me started on the little homestead youtuber bullshit
 
P-38 autist said:
I'd love to go on xitter and not see retarded grifters freaking out about the UFO files. it will be a literal fucking nothingburger and all of the people freaking out about it are the same people who scream EPSTEEEIIIIIN at literally everything
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When it comes to aliens, I really doubt anything on Earth is 'alien' extraterritorial origin. There's some possibility that there are weird materials found dug up that are hard to explain and COULD be signs of older civilizations or past alien life.

The thing to me is the Fermi paradox situation is getting awfully hard to explain the better we can see out there. Been pretty certainly no radio signals, that's ok, radio is not a great long range transmitter really. We're just starting to be able to graze exoplanet atmospheres. If we don't find at least some signs of bacterial life within measure in that range in 100 years that's a major issue. It's already a really big issue that we can't detect bio sigs of any kind at all with IR sigs at nearly end of obseerable univerise scale. Some like Sabine are saying RF radio would be so quaint now it would only be some kind of quantum level subspace coms. Well...

There's some answers that are appearing that we are in a relative dead zone, a void in the universe. But even then, it's odd. If we don't find some sort of bio sigs at all within some reasonable time it might be more reasonable, even at Carl Sagan/Chris Higgins nuttiness, that we are made by a God to be the only inhabitants with a choice to expand or to die.
I am going to do a are personal admission here, but this brings me to tears. I think even Sagan here when he says 'it's almost as if there was a God, that does x' Added towards the end of his life.

My dad is a hard athiest and getting closer to the end, I've tried, but there's nothing I can do. I can only hope if there is a God, which I think there has to be, won't condemn anyone that's just had a rough life and doesn't believe.



56 min or so in on that is what I think. I talked to his wife Ann Dryuan a little bit, and she seemed good. Sagan I think was a deluded pothead in the end. I was with my fiiancee at the time and saw that Sagan died on the hospital TV. He did a lot of good and bad in his time.

On that video at the later redaction he said:

'it is as if there were a God, who said to us I set before you two ways you can you use your technology to destroy yourselves or send yourselves to the plants and the stars. It's up you you'.

i edited this to add more corrections and details. I hope my dad sees the ways before the end.
 
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Hojicha said:
don't get me started on the little homestead youtuber bullshit
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I have complicated feelings about it. I had a lot of contact with the pre-internet version - supporting your backtotheland homestead lyfe by selling an image of it is very very old. I think it's fundamentally a good thing for people to desire more of a connection to the land and to their food sources even if that desire is heavily romanticized and turned into someone's influencer grift - it's the only way some people ever realize they can grow their own salad greens or keep bees or those kinds of accessible things. And this might surprise you but I think the internet version is waaaaay healthier than the pre-internet because if someone is posing their pregnant wife artistically slopping the pigs or splitting wood, there is immediate pushback.

There is a whole loose movement of young people going back to their villages in Eastern Europe and the Balkans and openly supporting their cute farms partially via selling an image on social media - The Pretty Shepherd in Hungary is a good example, and there's also a similar thing going on with herding and horse stuff in Central Asia. I think this is good, I think it's a way forward, and it wouldn't exist without the stuff that annoys you and me.
 
mlanguishi said:
'it is as if there were a God, who said to us I set before you two ways you can you use your technology to destroy yourselves or send yourselves to the plants and the stars. It's up you you'.
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The truth is, there are no aliens coming to save us, whether it’s directly or it’s through an Independence Day–style war where we decide to put aside our petty differences and unite. We’re alone in this universe and we’re going to have to deal with that.
 
George Lucas said:
We’re alone in this universe and we’re going to have to deal with that.
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One solution to the Fermi paradox is that physics limits technology to "modern world" -- so any aliens who have science and technology out there are most likely dealing with the same modern world crap that Earthlings are. With any manned interstellar spaceflight being more or less impossible, because of all those limits of physics on technology.
 
George Lucas said:
The truth is, there are no aliens coming to save us, whether it’s directly or it’s through an Independence Day–style war where we decide to put aside our petty differences and unite. We’re alone in this universe and we’re going to have to deal with that.
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There's a massive difference between, to me at least.. Between some options I can think of

A: Earth is the only place in the entire universe that has any living biological beings
B: Earth is the only place that those advanced in time to have neurological systems and consciousness and any intelligence
C: There's other low level life all over the place that's hard to detect that can't or won't advance like we didn't for billions of years (even then early earth life sent off tons of bio sigs)
D: All the other theories of common advanced life and UFOs and it's all hidden

To me option C is most likely within observable range. Th 'Rare Earth' theory and it take 1/4 the age of the universe to even get to anything remotely technological.

You can go back to the Dyson equation and even before the 90s exoplanets at all were just an 'idea', likely but probably rare. It seems now that planets are almost 100% for stars. If I had to bet there's probably not some tech 'great filter' that seems all the rage of self destruction but the fact that even on incredibly life friendly Earth that had life forms of some sort nearly at the start took soooo long to product a tech species is probably the 'filter'. If someone came down and said within all 48b light yeas observable universe we are the only ones that can understand basic physics at all I'd be surprised.

But no obvious artificial structures at all so far with all we've seen is 'odd' for sure to me.
 
mlanguishi said:
The thing to me is the Fermi paradox situation is getting awfully hard to explain the better we can see out there. Been pretty certainly no radio signals, that's ok, radio is not a great long range transmitter really. We're just starting to be able to graze exoplanet atmospheres. If we don't find at least some signs of bacterial life within measure in that range in 100 years that's a major issue. It's already a really big issue that we can't detect bio sigs of any kind at all with IR sigs at nearly end of obseerable univerise scale. Some like Sabine are saying RF radio would be so quaint now it would only be some kind of quantum level subspace coms. Well...

There's some answers that are appearing that we are in a relative dead zone, a void in the universe. But even then, it's odd. If we don't find some sort of bio sigs at all within some reasonable time it might be more reasonable, even at Carl Sagan/Chris Higgins nuttiness, that we are made by a God to be the only inhabitants with a choice to expand or to die.
I am going to do a are personal admission here, but this brings me to tears. I think even Sagan here when he says 'it's almost as if there was a God, that does x' Added towards the end of his life.
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The Fermi paradox is fundamentally flawed because it doesn't account for the sheer vastness of space that light has to travel.

let me put it in perspective: if we took all our long range telescopes and such and brought them to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star from Sol at 4.25 light years, it would not be able to detect life on Earth. In fact, it would not even be able to detect the PLANET Earth because it's orbital plane doesn't line up.

Expecting us to magically detect life on a planet that is maybe 100 to 100,000 light years away is extremely unrealistic, unless we spotted them during the middle of a massive superstructure or starforming project, something we could miss entirely even if the project took a thousand years just because it's too soon or too late to see the light. We have seen weirdness that could be signs of life such as the Wow! signal and the star flickering like it has a massive Dyson sphere, but we physically lack the technology to confirm a project of that scale to be artificial. We can't even detect bacteria unless the orbit of the planet lines up with us just right; and even then it would take a very, very long time to sift through the changes over the spectrum over the course of a planet's evolution to determine something is going on there. Combine that with the fact that any race would likely use directional antennas for long distance communication instead of a super powerful omnidirectional transmitter and the chances of us conclusively detecting life is very, very low. We've probably stumbled upon signs of life many times but aren't able to distinguish it from natural stellar phenomena.
 
mlanguishi said:
Shitposting and trolling is the best use of anything online. It's the entire point of the Internet. And if it helps kill off big Hollywood all the better.

I got the 15k win and wasn't even trying.

In celebration and commitment, I asked Grok to make a short poem about our beloved.

In the glow of Kiwifarms, where the schizos all roam,
Fatpacks pounds the keyboard and calls his shots home.
"Trump's finished!" "Blue wave!" "The economy's toast!"
Yet every prediction lands face-down as a ghost. He dooms with conviction, he seethes and he sneers,
While reality laughs and just pisses in his beers.
The oracle of wrong, the sultan of cope—
Fatpacks keeps posting.
The timeline says nope.
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This aplies to all TESniggers
 
Maybe humans are the smartest life in the galaxy. I mean, if aliens are so smart, why do they keep having buttsex with farmers and crashing into mountains? They sound like total idiots.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
One solution to the Fermi paradox is that physics limits technology to "modern world" -- so any aliens who have science and technology out there are most likely dealing with the same modern world crap that Earthlings are. With any manned interstellar spaceflight being more or less impossible, because of all those limits of physics on technology.
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Von Neumann, probably the smartest human ever, came up with a simple idea of probes that even in now could be made to see an entire galaxy withing 500k years, blink of an eye.

You'd think out of all the galaxies we can see maybe one could do this.


@Betonhaus we can see shortly on that, we're getting really good at detecting bio sigs in exoplanet atmospheres. It doesn't have to be a dyson sphere, just a 3b year old earth would be fairly obvious to even our current detection systems and it's getting better. Thar's why I said if we don't see something like basic obvious basic life with 100 light years within 100 years it'll be odd. James Webb now can Spectro analyze exoplanets now.
 
CharlesBarkley said:
Maybe humans are the smartest life in the galaxy. I mean, if aliens are so smart, why do they keep having buttsex with farmers and crashing into mountains? They sound like total idiots.
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Considering how many mythical boogeymen turn out to be the Jews, it was probably the Jews. Problably with LSD and a helicopter.
 
Betonhaus said:
Considering how many mythical boogeymen turn out to be the Jews, it was probably the Jews. Problably with LSD and a helicopter.
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The Jews wouldn’t have buttsex with farmers, I think. They might crash into mountains but I’m not sure if that is an accurate stereotype about them or not regarding regarding flying skills.
 
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