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Grave Ghost said:
NuTNO would never do this but it would be interesting if a few of the events of the "advanced ancient German civilization" implied he finds some proof that it may have existed. Now this is really reaching because this will never release but it would be cool if he funds and aids Hippies and Neo Pagans in America to destabilize it.
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The Reich having Neo-Pagan hippies who seem themselves as "too Aryan to get a job" would be a source of some mild humor in these trying times.
 
Caligura said:
The Reich having Neo-Pagan hippies who seem themselves as "too Aryan to get a job" would be a source of some mild humor in these trying times.
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You could connect them to Alfred Rosenberg and his writtings.
He was one of proponents of Neo Pagan larp. And as Baltic German it was natural order of things for him that Eastern European peasants did most of manual labor. This could easily be used as excuse by German hippies. "Well we have slavs to do all work . So why should not just enjoy pleasures of life .... Heil Wotan!"
It would not be soo outlandish, because if you listen to modern progressive leftists you would think Marx was writting about trannies and their penises.
 
Merry said:
The Himmler rework is actually decently researched. Read a book on him recently, and it checks pretty much all the boxes on what he actually believed and wanted. Probably the same book based on what I'm seeing.

Props to whoever did it. Better than I thought it would be. Still, ripping out the heart of OG TNO lol

Also
>Anna & Jane
SURE BUDDY LOL
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It’s a shame that speer dev is ran by a troon who hasn’t done work for going on two years cause the writing for everyone else is really good and it would be really nice to see speer written that way

Unfortunately, My dreams of paktmaxing with TND in dv will never be fulfilled
 
Computer God Autism said:
What about the people who wanted to plow Ukraine and Hungary's fields?

(Toji's gone, someone has to)
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The only proper way to seed barbarian lands is with a bowl cut.

How white the subhumans are depends on their proximity to Res publica Romana. Hence why Magyrs, Bulgars, and Vlachs look white now. This is why Muscovites still look like steppe nomads because they were too far away. The Franks, despite originally having horns, red skin, and hooves, also look white today for this reason.

They still have forked tongues however.
Sooty Soot said:
>Mentioning Goodwinson even tough I made it
Nonetheless I'm flattered that people enjoy it so much.
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@Sooty Soot is my sock which I use to hide the fact I was born in Hyderabad.
 
Radola Gajda said:
You could connect them to Alfred Rosenberg and his writtings.
He was one of proponents of Neo Pagan larp. And as Baltic German it was natural order of things for him that Eastern European peasants did most of manual labor. This could easily be used as excuse by German hippies. "Well we have slavs to do all work . So why should not just enjoy pleasures of life .... Heil Wotan!"
It would not be soo outlandish, because if you listen to modern progressive leftists you would think Marx was writting about trannies and their penises.
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They really should implement this into german content. The devs have never touched on the cultural consequences of a nazi victory such as people still being against the party while still being ideologically nazi. They seem to forget that in europe, Nationalism is the center of politics, Not liberalism so why there are so many liberal dissidents is beyond me

If anything there should be a movement in the hitler youth/ SA of young nazis who hate the party and the government but are still fundamentally nazi. Anarcho fascism/Nilssonian anarchism should be a popular ideology
 
Messiah Mike said:
If anything there should be a movement in the hitler youth/ SA of young nazis who hate the party and the government but are still fundamentally nazi. Anarcho fascism/Nilssonian anarchism should be a popular ideology
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That is represented in the new Speer/Bormann content in V&J, you've got Revolutionary NatSocs who are young people dissatisified with the economic situation post-WRW and how the party is made up of geriatrics, there's also another one but I forgot about them, I think they're RevNatSoc as well but more Strasserist and so are also geriatrics. Your point about how there should be more authoritarian dissidents than liberals is quite interesting, can you tell us more about it and how you would implement it if you were a dev/designer?
 
Sooty Soot said:
That is represented in the new Speer/Bormann content in V&J, you've got Revolutionary NatSocs who are young people dissatisified with the economic situation post-WRW and how the party is made up of geriatrics, there's also another one but I forgot about them, I think they're RevNatSoc as well but more Strasserist and so are also geriatrics. Your point about how there should be more authoritarian dissidents than liberals is quite interesting, can you tell us more about it and how you would implement it if you were a dev/designer?
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I should probably clarify. I don’t mean more authoritarian dissidents, Though they would exist as the socrevs are said authoritarian dissidents. What I meant was dissident movements that are still nazi but invert the logic of nazism against the party. For example hitler youth protesting for free speech because the aryans are the strongest race, Historically the strongest races are the freest, Ergo germans should speak freely as it is their right

Alternatively SA or hitler youth battalions telling the party to fuck off so they can act as an autonomous gang/ tribe who vote on their own leaders like the ancient germanic tribes instead of obeying a pencil pushing geriatric

They would be a popular movement in germany but they would prefer to go to dangerous areas like african colonies in active rebellion or eastern europe so they can go full colonel kurtz and live out their lives like their germanic barbarian ancestors
 
Messiah Mike said:
I should probably clarify. I don’t mean more authoritarian dissidents, Though they would exist as the socrevs are said authoritarian dissidents. What I meant was dissident movements that are still nazi but invert the logic of nazism against the party. For example hitler youth protesting for free speech because the aryans are the strongest race, Historically the strongest races are the freest, Ergo germans should speak freely as it is their right

Alternatively SA or hitler youth battalions telling the party to fuck off so they can act as an autonomous gang/ tribe who vote on their own leaders like the ancient germanic tribes instead of obeying a pencil pushing geriatric

They would be a popular movement in germany but they would prefer to go to dangerous areas like african colonies in active rebellion or eastern europe so they can go full colonel kurtz and live out their lives like their germanic barbarian ancestors
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That's very interesting, when you said that Europe was the heart of nationalism and not liberalism my mind immediately sprung to the now scrapped Burgundy 2 proposal where the SS-Charlemegne be Burgundy, and one of the paths they could go down was Marc Augier, and if he won the war against France his path would end with him calling every European nationalist to France to give them training and send them off to their home countries to pursue their regionalist/cultural gureilla insurgencies as part of his effort to unite Europe, basically creating Identitarianism a couple decades early.
 
Sooty Soot said:
That's very interesting, when you said that Europe was the heart of nationalism and not liberalism my mind immediately sprung to the now scrapped Burgundy 2 proposal where the SS-Charlemegne be Burgundy, and one of the paths they could go down was Marc Augier, and if he won the war against France his path would end with him calling every European nationalist to France to give them training and send them off to their home countries to pursue their regionalist/cultural gureilla insurgencies as part of his effort to unite Europe, basically creating Identitarianism a couple decades ear
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What I meant by nationalism being the center of European politics is that nationalism is the base assumption and any policy proposal has to be justified via nationalism. A good example is that liberals in the tno tl would probably have a hard time spreading their ideas because to your average German, How does democracy or liberal ideals help his family and by extension his national community?

Speer would pitch liberalization as being good for the health of Germany and the German people, Not for delusions of equality or natural rights. BPP pragmatists would advocate for liberalization as a way to bring honor and dignity back to a broken British nation and people, Rather than as a way to free the individual from his communal bonds.

In this world the elite are fundamentally bound to the interests of their nation, and thus the long term health of the people rather than to an international financial network justified by human rights. All in all, In the tno tl, The nations of Europe are probably better off in the long run since their national identities would remain intact and any ideas that would erode like US influence would be violently rejected by the native populace.


If anything the areas where liberals would get there ideas across the most is free speech and police reform. People generally speaking don’t care about politics or who governs them, But having to self censor out of fear of getting a knock on the door from the gestapo is very stressful on the general populace.

I think if you live in a blue state and hold right of center views, You know exactly what I'm talking about. Though it wasn’t forced by the state but imposed socially which is probably worse imo
 
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Litānusotilas said:
Hetalia, which is like polandball but for women and homosexuals
Polandball being geopolitical comedy but for retards and latinx
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Come on, a special kind of autism played a role in both of their fandoms too.
I'll admit if it wasn't for Hetalia and Polandball, I'd probably would not be here.
Some strange google and youtube searches from back in 2012 left kid me being a fan of both.
Over a (that?) summer I met a kid at this sailing yacht youth camp (my dad was a big pusher in getting me involved with after school/summer activities).
He was also a big fan of both and had a crazy big knowledge of the second world war for a kid his age, we became brief friends. He recommends Civ V.
(One of my biggest regrets in life is never inviting him over, getting in contact with him, and leaving without a proper goodbye on the last day)
I play Civilization V and love the game. I always love the timelapse map screen that plays after you win a game of that.
Years later that leads me to search up Civ V timelapse videos. That eventually lead to youtube recommending Drew Durnil to me in 2016.
He starts playing Hearts of Iron 4. I start watching more hoi4 videos on youtube. And K0noa's kaiserreich video lead me to not only discover the world of kaiserreich for the first time but get fully immersed in the world of hoi4 alternate history. Became a fan of Red Flood and joined every hoi4 mod on discord as I possibly can. Most were only toozers that quietly quit development and had no idea how evil discord was back then. But became hyped for this one upcoming hoi4 mod, a big one called TNO.
Even before it released it and it's devs already had a reputation. Mod does finally comes out in 2020, in the middle of the pandemic. Their reputation alongside it's reddit community became the most craziest thing on earth at the time. Someone links to me the TNO thread on kiwifarms when this was all still fresh and new. Been to this site once or twice before but this is what finally pushes me to regularly lurk here despite being burnt out on social media beforehand. Finally get an account on here and the rest is history.
 
Messiah Mike said:
Alternatively SA or hitler youth battalions telling the party to fuck off so they can act as an autonomous gang/ tribe who vote on their own leaders like the ancient germanic tribes instead of obeying a pencil pushing geriatric

They would be a popular movement in germany but they would prefer to go to dangerous areas like african colonies in active rebellion or eastern europe so they can go full colonel kurtz and live out their lives like their germanic barbarian ancestors
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Sending those paramilitaries to the rest of the world could be the final objective for some section of gameplay.

Having them behave like the worst excess of the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution to force the player to address these groups as Dengist Speer, either looking for a way to reel them in by using Wehrmacht (like Mao did by using the PLA) and sending them to satellites or territories as anti-insurgency forces and/or them using as a cudgel against anyone that opposes Speer (also done by Mao). These groups should receive support from Burgundy.
 
Hillary Clinton's Ass said:
Sending those paramilitaries to the rest of the world could be the final objective for some section of gameplay.

Having them behave like the worst excess of the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution to force the player to address these groups as Dengist Speer, either looking for a way to reel them in by using Wehrmacht (like Mao did by using the PLA) and sending them to satellites or territories as anti-insurgency forces and/or them using as a cudgel against anyone that opposes Speer (also done by Mao). These groups should receive support from Burgundy.
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That’s certainly an interesting idea, But I was trying to make them sort of uncontrollable. They support nazism sure but they hold no allegiance to the fuhrer or the nazi party, Only for their neo tribes. They deliberately avoid the army or formal party institutions, instead taking their rouge SA squads into hot zones to get away from a now boring sterile germany. In these hot zones, They express the aryan spirit by burning down villages, Taking photos imitating greek statues with their dead victims, And just generally enacting TND. You could imagine them as wandering berserkers, enacting a race war without restraint and on their own terms

Germany would not like these guys very much because they are absolutely atrocious pr wise. Imagine trying to present yourself as a reasonable partner to someone like japan or the US only for a news story to come out that you have a bunch of rouge SA gangs roving around africa acting like khorne worshipers

Also to clarify these guys would be no older that mid 20s. This neo barbarian movement would be a very very small movement within the hitler youth of late teenagers who hate the party and the government for being so restrictive, But are still nazis. Just nazi anarchists (yes those exist, look it up)
 
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Messiah Mike said:
That’s certainly an interesting idea, But I was trying to make them sort of uncontrollable. They support nazism sure but they hold no allegiance to the fuhrer or the nazi party, Only for their neo tribes. They deliberately avoid the army or formal party institutions, instead taking their rouge SA squads into hot zones to get away from a now boring sterile germany. In these hot zones, They express the aryan spirit by burning down villages, Taking photos imitating greek statues with their dead victims, And just generally enacting TND. You could imagine them as wandering berserkers, enacting a race war without restraint and on their own terms

Germany would not like these guys very much because they are absolutely atrocious pr wise. Trying to present yourself as a reasonable partner to someone like japan or the US only for a news story to come out that you have a bunch of rouge SA gangs roving around africa acting like khorne worshipers
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"Hitler didn't go far enough."
 
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