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Heres a helpful digram of the VVER reactor. I will say with a 96% confidence level that the USAF/IAF will target the areas in pink: the generators, the transformers and power lines. Anything else would be far too risky. Its highly unlikely they will touch the turbine hall since it serves dual functions of turning the generator and pumping water back into the reactor to complete the nuclear power cycle. Yes there are backup generator pumps should the turbine hall fail, but again, too risky to damage it since its involved in maintaining the core.

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Here are some pics of a 3D model of the power plant. The US and Israel likely know every hallway and corridor of the entire plant.
Its a modern design so as long as the core isn't exposed to the open air or the fuel rod handlers disrupted, if damaged it should auto-shutdown.
This of course assumes the unholy union of Slavs and Arabs has been maintaining things properly.

We're talking about a country that supposedly planned for decades to defend against the West, and they could barely put up a token resistance. I don't think we're dealing with supergeniuses here.
TBCF they were already BTFO in June.

OK please, Is there someone that isn't a brainlet like me. Is there a way to give all ME countries some type of weapon where they could MAD themselves but no one else? Even if the oil is gone and 5 billion indians and chinese have to die.
The only thing you get close to would be some nuclear device placed in each's country's embassy in the other countries such they could annhilate each other's capitals but nothing else.
Actually lets do that. I think it'll be funny.

Damn, does it feel good seeing Euros realize just how utterly fucked they are.
They'll still never thank us, though.
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Please Iran. Launch some missiles at London. I can't wait to learn how that'll be the US' fault.

"In the event of even the slightest attack on Iran's electricity infrastructure, the entire region will go dark," the poster reads.
Oh no Br'er Ayatollah don't do that. Don't take the sand monkeys offline, that would sho be awful. Oh definitely don't destroy India's power grid while you're at it, we'd never recover if you was to do that Br'er Ayatollah.

I know we've made Baghdad Bob comparisons in the past, but this is starting to reach a level of desperation that only Hasan would believe
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Our actions have caused immense disruptions in CENTCOM. We have been informed many of their staff can't stop laughing. This disruption will continue until the US surrenders.

If you say so. If you'd like me to paraphrase, then "if you bomb a nuclear power plant, nuclear things will go in the sea, and then the Arabs can't drink it and they'd get very thirsty and angry because they live in a giant desert with no water".
Don't you threaten me with a good time.

Carriers usually spend a few months after being deployed getting refits and fixing anything broken. With how long it's been deployed 14 months sounds about right but that won't be until after it's relieved.
They're also going to de-smoke those berths near the laundry.

Yes because some silly bullshit you read on twitter is exactly the same as a head of state dismissing thousands of fallen soldiers who died answering America's previous calls of arms.
He called UK's leadership cucked, no the soldiers.

Also, how many US soldiers died solving problems Eurofaggots created? Peace in Our Time I believe it was.

I find myself doubting that orange man said "Lol lmao all those soldiers you gave the US in the GWOT? Rip bozos, they were cringe, gay, and didn't matter." and it's far more likely he said something more along the lines of "Europe doesn't do shit for us and their military sucks" and people sperged out and used the corpses of soldiers that died 20 years ago as an emotional bludgeon.
He was complaining about the UK's relucance to protect its own interest. The Eurofag Lugenpresse tried to make it like Orange Man said the UK soldiers didn't matter or were worthless, when questioned about his comments he clarified he only meant the UK's political leadership and the UK soldiers were "great, very brave". But the lugenpress didn't plaster that all over thier headlines so uninformed eurofag serfs continue to be very buttmad about it.


Whatever is out there that you think might be damaging to the US for this conflict to continue in regards to global markets, Is going to affect Europe as well, the UK is already putting in place plans for fuel rationing. If your argument is an economic one, than getting the situation in the straight sorted as fast as possible has massive upsides for Europe.

Instead it's "well trump was mean to us so now we won't help, maybe if you invited us first and didn't insult us" Which sure, go ahead, Tank economic suffering to soapbox on a moral standpoint against the mean orange man. Just know that falling back on that emotional reasoning makes you no better than the orange man you criticize as acting on ego and emotion himself.
Sure it would have been better to consult with the NATO allies before hand. But they weren't asked to contribute to the air war and they have demonstrated amply why there was no need to consult with them. They are worthless and impotent.

I also don't think anyone expected Iran to go full retard and close the strait, hurting themselves as much the other gulf nations and not impacting the Burgers or Kikes at all.

The United States is self sufficient in affordable energy and has been since 2019. Europe is starved of affordable energy and has been since 2022.
And Europe CONTINUES to slit its own throat, continuing to ban new oil & gas exploration, raising taxes and bullshit environmental regulations and fees. They are doing everything possible to make sure they can rendered completely castrated by an external entity at any time.

I mean, really the EU leaders need to be thanking the US. Think of how great this is for global carbon emissions!

I can't believe it took me this long to make the connection. :story:
Why do you think they always refuse to post hands?

Of course. Here is a statement on the official website of Khamenei the Elder. I can't read Farsi, but supposedly this is in the 'Fatwa' section of the website.



There are many more statements by Iranian officials on the matter out there. Whether you believe that these statements are just political theater or worry that Iran may change its stance in the future, statements like the one above show that the Iranians are earnest in their belief that a Fatwa banning WMDs exists.
The first two Ayatollahs issued a fatwa to kill Salman Rushdie. How closely were those followed? :smug:
check mate, poophands.

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Translation from zog to human: if the country we jumped doesn't stop doing what we don't like we'll fuck up their civilian infrastructure and cause another wave of migration to europe. Thank you for your attention to his matter. Resident Zogbot J. Retard
Europe doesn't have to take the rapefugees. They could turn them away. This is a problem the European populace (what's left) should take up with their leaders.
 
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I agree with this statement. I served on a Coalition base in 03 and there were many countries militaries represented including the U.K. but their actual contributions to the mission overall was very negligible. They were cool guys and we respected them and their contributions, big and small. In all actuality though, we never considered them much on the American side and wouldn't notice if they left early, which they did. Still cool dudes though.

Great to have some contemporary anecdotes from somebody who definitely served on a coalition base in 2003.
 
the first act was Operation Midnight Hammer, which destroyed nuclear infrastructure and killed people directly associated with the nuclear program. The Ayatollah was left alive with an opportunity to continue his brutal dictatorship without nukes. He was only killed after he continued enriching uranium.
So the sneak-attack assassination of Iran's leader was really just a continuation of the attacks last summer when Trump also declared victory and announced Iran's nuclear program had been totally destroyed?

And this is your argument for why regime change wasn't a goal..... We had to kill the Ayotollah after destroying his nuclear capability for other reasons besides regime change.

The stupid, it hurts. Nobody is going to buy any of this shit.

[I'll wander along again now, sorry for forgetting where I was again and derailing the retard bloodlust discussion]
 
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We're to believe regime change was never a goal of the operation yet the first act was a sneak attack to assassinate the Ayotollah.

They think we're stupid.
Trump is stupid. But he's a Hollywoodite Nepo Baby, so that's expected.

I have a new term for MAGAs, Trump Sucking Syndrome. Because how they love to get down on their knees to suck off Trump's microdick. Pretty amazing how the only one's a-LOVING Trump is quasi-queer Boomer men and whores. xD
 
Why is everyone talking about Bushehr?

There are 11 fossil fuel power plants in Iran larger than Bushehr, and 4 more equaling Bushehr's capacity of 1000 MW. There's also 5 hydroelectric plants larger than or equal to Bushehr
I'm really not sure. Natural Gas is the primary way Iran generates its electricity, 85% give or take a percent or two. The nuclear energy they generate accounts for 2%.

People really have no idea what scale power generation is at either. Not just in Iran, but people don't really have a good idea of how electricity works in this way. The amount needed for even a third world shithole like Iran is pretty significant. If we want to be EFFECTIVE, we would be targeting things that provide LARGE amounts of power with graphite bombs. I would really hope we wouldn't use regular munitions either, graphites are more than enough for the purposes we have here.

Can a moderator do their job already and threadban these retards who've been arguing about dumb shit for the last ten pages? The thread's about updates, not your gay personal feuds and there's already a thread for debate sperging.
I really doubt they heavily monitor every single fast Thunderdome thread. You have to actually use the report function to bring it to their attention a lot of the time.

My missiles that live in Canada. You guys wouldn't know them. They launch from a different IRGC compound.
 
Diego Garcia is not in the UK.
You guys have to do better at this "If I pretend to be retarded and not understand the point it means you're wrong" thing.

What firing at Diego Garcia shows is what the range of their missile program is, Iran has for years said Europe has no reason to ever worry about them because they cap their missile range at such a range that they couldn't ever even hit Europe if they wanted to.

Firing at Diego Garcia now shows that to have been a lie, because if their missile has enough range to fire at Diego Garcia, it has enough range to hit every european capital all the way West to London.
 
Diego Garcia is not in the UK.
... Oh. I really did think you were just being silly, or pretending not to know.

I will write this as plainly as I can, so it is easy for you to get.

London is about 4,700 kilometers from Iran. Diego Garcia is 4,000. Kilometers are a larger version of a meter, roughly 1000x larger.

If they can strike Diego Garcia, they can strike the UK and mainland Europe.

Does your parent or caretaker know you're online? Do you have permission?
 
Great to have some contemporary anecdotes from somebody who definitely served on a coalition base in 2003.
At least, there is some mystery of doubt around it. You have confirmed over and over that you are a do-nothing who's only response to engagement is "No, you". You said the US is worse off in the war with Israeli allies than Europeans allies like in Iraq. I told you my personal experience with foreign allies is that it doesn't really matter overall but they are nice and respected when they show up. Your response is plugging your ears in a thread ABOUT THE US MILITARY to steadfastly deny that one single person on Kiwifarms could possibly have been among the 1.5 millions Americans who deployed to region around the same time.

Is this what you mean when you tell us to shut up because the adults are talking? True question, respond and I'll shut up. Are you supporting yourself and/or family financially fully and independently without your government or family? Does the idea of goods going up in price scare you so much that even minor disruptitons (not the ones you are imagining happening but what is observable in your real-life) because your own margins are so thin already? While that 's not a main concern for everyone, it might be for you.

If so, you have my sympathy and empathy while you try to make it through. If you can respond to this in an honest manner and not through 6 million refined layers of military-grade irony and shitposting, you'll have my respect.
 
The point was that it's not a "European shipping lane" because it being shut impacts the entire world including the USA regardless of where they source their oil (or sulphur, or helium, or whatever) from... and then there's a secondary impact on businesses around the world including the USA due to higher manufacture and shipping costs, and then a tertiary impact on even inward facing US businesses as their suppliers put prices up.

It might be screwing certain other countries over more, but it's screwing over every country.
Extremely disingenuous, many such cases. The entire point was that it affected europe way more, meaning they have more reasons to secure that strait.
The orange jew is still screaming threats that become more and more unhinged as the Iranians refused to roll over like good goys. I guess Dems will sweep the midterms...
Any one who opposes the jews is based.Who cares if they call you infidels and give money to people to be terrorists?
Uhh how is this war still a thing I thought King Pedo already accomplished mission last year and got his nobel peace prize?
Your people never relent, praise be to allah.
 
Well, yes?

Has something given you the impression that Iran's response to the Israeli-US strikes is focussed and strategic rather than lashing out in every direction?
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Are you absolutely retarded? Like, seriously. Are you retarded, by diagnosis? This is a real question and if you don't answer it, I will assume the answer is yes, you have been diagnosed with mental handicaps that lower your IQ under 80.

Why would they even attempt to fire a missile with only 2000KM of distance onto Diego Garcia at all? What would the purpose be? Every other missile they've fired has been at a target within range, despite your gay little attempt to divert, because as always, you want people to ignore context and look only at the actual outcome. "They didn't land the missile, therefore it doesn't exist." The other missiles they've fired have all been at significant targets, yes. Saudi Arabia's oil refineries, Qatari Civilians, UAE and Kuwaiti civilian infrastructure. American Military Bases. To imply this wasn't planned in some way is utterly braindead.

You know everyone can read this, right? It's not a DM. Everyone can see you doing this and knows that you are either genuinely a dumb person who cannot comprehend warfare, or that you are intentionally being obtuse, see above.

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This sticker means I'm mad. You do realize I'm laughing at you, right? I believe you are an unintelligent drooler. I don't have the ability to be mad at you, because I don't believe you're even capable of understanding what we're talking about. It would be cruel to hate someone for being a completely ignorant retard. :heart-full:
 
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I'm not coping and seething and I'm not going to research and write a term paper for you just because your response is "HA, HA. THIS NIGGA BE READING AND SHIT. THAT HOW I KNOW U GAYYY!!!"

You people pop in here to do is repeat the "Are we winning yet, son" and gloat about it. I'm not asking you to, god forbid, learn something new but educate yourself with a legitimate argument about why it's failed to appear yet instead. If you truly believed something, you wouldn't sneed when someone asks you why.

You can do the same the same song dance in this thread as much as you like but, for God's sake, try and change the tune a little.
You're the one demanding answers of off me with your ??? buddeh not the other way around, but are you winning yet? Lol nope.
That bigly peace deal will sure be impressive, ayatollahs still gonna be running things, they are not going anywhere as of right now.

When those youess muhreens URAH onto Kharg Island maybe things will look different, next week when drumpf decides whether or not to go full retard on that energy infrastructure that's another maybe, but as of right now? It's just downright embarrassing, awkward even. I'm not gloating, I'm cringing, and so is the rest of the world. In 10 years this is gonna be yet another "I told you so".
The Shah is en route to Teheran and his Immortal Guard is already in the process of removing the last vestiges of Ayatollah's regime from Iran Persia with the blessings of the citizenry. Trust the plan.
Soon ™️
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Because it was smarter than a big fucking billion dollar quagmire.
NOTHING WILL HAPPEN of course.
But in the alternate universe where he actually fucking does it... Black Monday or Blacker Mondayer? It's gonna hit he fan real bad, nobody is seriously advocating this are they I hope, it's an economic suicide bomb.
 
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