US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[Martian High Command]

I was a Wizardry/TES/Might&Magic (and Heroes of! 3HD chads stay winning) series nerd. Any other one-party Wiz6/7/8 chads here? I'd hate to think I'm the only one...

Fuck yeah, man! I really wish there were better ports of Might and Magic 6-8. Even with mods they can be a little strange sometimes. Do you play classic Baldur's Gate? I'm playing that right now for the umpteenth time, fucked up my build though.

I've only played ultima 0, also known as akalabeth View attachment 8701696
It's really fun and freeware, made in 79 if you can believe it.

I hope you play the rest of them. The whole series rules, and if you're based enough to love Akallebeth you'll love 1-5.

Ultima 2 on the Apple II is my jazz. Inspired by Time Bandits and has a planet with a town populated with pirates.

Someone on the internet just yesterday was talking about how there has to be someone crazy enough to have 2 as their favorite game. I'm happy to see he was right!

 

[Gap Hag]

The fact is. Killing those who kill or defile people is both cost effective and morally righteous both for the victims and their families and the taxpayers. It's just the right thing to do.

In the act yes, if they survive afterwards then i leave it up to God to decide what to do with them.

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

Take heart, frens, for the sweet potato truck in Japan was on fire, it still flew it's American flag. Only in high trust high IQ societies do you bring the fire to the fire station. Nakama:


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I've been watching a series on a guy trying to get an abandoned AE86 up and running so I felt inspired to apply an Initial D track to this clip (warning: loud because I have no idea wtf I'm doing [now replaced with hopefully non-earrape version {ok fixed for realsies this time lol}])

 

[moocow]

No, I legitimately think murderers and rapists especially child murderers and child rapists should all be put to death. Note murderer doesn't mean a negligent accident like manslaughter does, it also doesn't mean to defend yourself or in a war, murder is the unjustifiable killing of another human being with full intent to end the person's life. Anyone who does that will likely reoffend and thus should be taken out.

I agree completely. There's one reasonable counter-argument to it though that even I'm forced to acknowledge, and that's that the State is not 100% accurate when accusing and convicting people of murder. Innocent people do get convicted of murder and wind up exonerated after spending some 30+ years in prison and finally somebody gets around to DNA testing some piece of evidence and proves it couldn't have been them.

So we wind up with the classic notion "better to let a guilty person go free than imprison an innocent."

Of course, there are still solutions even to that problem, including restricting death penalties to cases with overwhelming evidence proving the murder (beyond the standard required to just convict), requiring a unanimous vote for the death penalty by the jury (this is already the case in a lot of death penalty states), and instituting vicious penalties for lab technicians, investigators and prosecutors when someone is exonerated (posthumously or not) when "mistakes" convict an innocent person (such "mistakes" should not be permitted, and should be severely punished).

 

[gernig]

executing 1 innocent person and 99 guilty people is better than saving 1 innocent person and and letting 99 guilty people go free

 

[Keystone]

Take heart, frens, for the sweet potato truck in Japan was on fire, it still flew it's American flag. Only in high trust high IQ societies do you bring the fire to the fire station. Nakama:

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The vehicle you're driving suddenly catches on fucking fire. What do you do?

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

AVGN HHH is talking about pants shitting again.

Somebody get this guy another gerbil!

Scatological humor is very very Jewish...

 

[Lip Glossary]

Cops are gonna have access to every security camera in the city, most major companies will simply comply with a request instead demanding a warrant. You aren't batmaning your ass anywhere in the age of flock safety. Every bit of crime that happens now in most metro centers is allowed to happen. We're living in the gayest cyberpunk dystopia possible.

Cops are gonna have access to every security camera in the city, most major companies will simply comply with a request instead demanding a warrant. You aren't batmaning your ass anywhere in the age of flock safety. Every bit of crime that happens now in most metro centers is allowed to happen. We're living in the gayest cyberpunk dystopia possible.

If they have footage of you beating on the nigger they will have footage of you pushing the woman onto the train.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

and instituting vicious penalties for lab technicians, investigators and prosecutors when someone is exonerated (posthumously or not) when "mistakes" convict an innocent person (such "mistakes" should not be permitted, and should be severely punished).

And that's exactly how you get no death penalty case ever brought to trial again. I agree in theory, but prosecutors aren't gonna risk themselves. They'll do life every time.

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

tl;dr - Trump just put a gun to Iran's economy. He hit every military target on Kharg Island, left the oil terminals standing, and said "open Hormuz or I finish the job."

Good end: Iran takes the off-ramp, symbolic face-saving bullshit, ceasefire within a week.

Bad end: IRGC says "fuck it," hits Gulf oil infrastructure, Trump destroys Kharg, oil goes to $150, everyone loses.

WTF end: IRGC goes one way, civilian government goes the other. Publicly. This means Kharg isn't worth hitting because you'd be punishing the people trying to stop the war. Grinding uncertainty for weeks.

Most likely: the good end. Iran's been signaling through back-channels for days. But "most likely" isn't "certain" and the weekend is long.



He intentionally did not strike oil. He struck military and said "I've got you by the balls." He does.

Trump wants it over one way or another and this is the key.

WEEKEND SNEED UPDATE: MAYBE THE BULLSHIT WILL END SOON?

Kharg is loading tankers because Trump left it there to load from.

Iran's yapping changed: Araghchi went on MS Now and said Hormuz is "only closed to enemies." Tangsiri (IRGC Navy) admitted on X it's "not militarily closed, merely under control." Put another way: Friday night they were threatening piles of ashes; Saturday afternoon they're granting exemptions.

Hamas broke ranks. First public appeal to Iran in 14 days, asking them to stop hitting neighbors. Hamas wouldn't say this unless they were at risk of losing funding (they are) and loss of political cover (that's happening right now).

Khamenei is still off video with a $10 million bounty. He might be dead. Israel killed Khatam al-Anbiya on day 1, waited for two replacements, then killed both of them Friday.

Ammo's confirmed to be basically fucking gone. Day 1: 1,200 launches. Day 15: 100? Pentagon saying 90% missile degradation and 95% drone degradation.

Ukraine: got good at shooting down Iranian drones Russian shot at them, sold their interceptors to the middle east, pissed off Iran. Lol?

Turkey's FM Fidan said Iran may be open to back-channel diplomacy. That's the off-ramp. Both sides rejected ceasefire talks as recently as Saturday morning per Reuters. Turkey saying this the same day both sides publicly say no is a bit of a tell.

Trump announced coastal clearing before escorts, and still has Kharg by the balls.

Nothing is over until it's over, but this feels like it's winding down.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

Innocent people do get convicted of murder and wind up exonerated after spending some 30+ years in prison and finally somebody gets around to DNA testing some piece of evidence and proves it couldn't have been them.

How often does that happen? The only one I can think of was a guy accused of raping and murdering a mother and her daughters who got exonerated because he hired better lawyers from death row that managed to appeal his case because the prosecution did a sloppy job and he won the retrial. DNA and further evidence came out many years later pointing that he actually did do it, so they got around double jeopardy by charging him in military court.

There's one reasonable counter-argument to it though that even I'm forced to acknowledge, and that's that the State is not 100% accurate when accusing and convicting people of murder.

After watching plenty of court proceedings over the years I don't think the state actually ever makes mistakes. Their "mistakes" are them trying to railroad an innocent person for political expediancy and they 100% know what they are doing.

 

[Martian High Command]

Also because I've been pretty off-topic today, have you niggas heard of the "new liberals" or whatever they're called? They're really trying to muscle in where I live.

The idea is anti-Trump republicans and anti-woke liberals teaming up to make a new third party. It feels to me like a scheme by the establishment to try to split the vote, and I don't doubt they'll wind up cucking on everything conservatives want, save free-market RINO capitalism. The website I found online is super pozzed, but New Liberal is such a generic term I'm not sure it's the one.

Anyways, just a heads up. Awkward super-astroturfed "centrist" party incoming.

 

[pwnest injun]

I agree completely. There's one reasonable counter-argument to it though that even I'm forced to acknowledge, and that's that the State is not 100% accurate when accusing and convicting people of murder. Innocent people do get convicted of murder and wind up exonerated after spending some 30+ years in prison and finally somebody gets around to DNA testing some piece of evidence and proves it couldn't have been them.

So we wind up with the classic notion "better to let a guilty person go free than imprison an innocent."

Of course, there are still solutions even to that problem, including restricting death penalties to cases with overwhelming evidence proving the murder (beyond the standard required to just convict), requiring a unanimous vote for the death penalty by the jury (this is already the case in a lot of death penalty states), and instituting vicious penalties for lab technicians, investigators and prosecutors when someone is exonerated (posthumously or not) when "mistakes" convict an innocent person (such "mistakes" should not be permitted, and should be severely punished).

A lot of these murky cases are where someone ends up dead and the police ask around about it to hear from the community "this guy is bad news, he could have done it." And maybe he didn't kill that one guy, but when you have a bunch of people saying you're a killer, chances are they aren't far off.

Like, a guy who routinely robs liquor stores gets banged for killing a liquor store clerk? Turns out that this specific murder was done by a drifter type or something. DGAF. That robber was going to kill someone eventually. I'm not going to cry for him.

 

[LopsidedLegend]

After watching plenty of court proceedings over the years I don't think the state actually ever makes mistakes. Their "mistakes" are them trying to railroad an innocent person for political expediancy and they 100% know what they are doing.

Yep. Courts don't accidentally convict anyone. They do wrongfully convict all the time. But never by accident.

 

[Breadbassket]

Also because I've been pretty off-topic today, have you niggas heard of the "new liberals" or whatever they're called? They're really trying to muscle in where I live.

The idea is anti-Trump republicans and anti-woke liberals teaming up to make a new third party. It feels to me like a scheme by the establishment to try to split the vote, and I don't doubt they'll wind up cucking on everything conservatives want, save free-market RINO capitalism. The website I found online is super pozzed, but New Liberal is such a generic term I'm not sure it's the one.

Anyways, just a heads up. Awkward super-astroturfed "centrist" party incoming.

Reminds me of the Never Trump/"Moderate" Democrats No Labels presidential campaign that failed to launch in 2024.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

Reminds me of the Never Trump/"Moderate" Democrats No Labels presidential campaign that failed to launch in 2024.

The never trumper Republicans were the funniest because they spent all their time and energy attacking Trump supporters, the people they had to court away from Trump.

 

[Retrodogkiller]

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This kinda thing happens every now and again, classical liberals where basically the same thing back in the 2010s. All the globo homo shit of liberals with some of the ideals of conservatism. It never really goes anywhere.

 

[Breadbassket]

The never trumper Republicans were the funniest because they spent all their time and energy attacking Trump supporters, the people they had to court away from Trump.

It's a somewhat odd situation, the No Labels campaign in particular was destroyed by the Democratic Party.

From an article on the matter:

When the history of the 2024 presidential election is written, we hope a chapter is reserved for what Democrats did to undermine the third-party movement No Labels.

More details are coming out now, thanks in large part to a trademark lawsuit No Labels filed against a fake No Labels website that was designed to confuse voters about the real intent of the organization. That intent was to give voters in the American middle who are frustrated with the state of our politics a real choice beyond the binary of our two-party system.

That didn’t happen in 2024. After a ridiculously complex and wildly expensive effort to get ballot access, No Labels did not field a candidate.

an effort to directly suppress the right of people to register to vote for a third party or to work to get people registered.

Journalist Matt Taibbi and The Washington Post published separate reports just before Thanksgiving that laid out a connective trail around the effort to destroy No Labels and smear its founder Nancy Jacobson.

Documents released as part of discovery in the lawsuit against the fake website NoLabels.com (the real No Labels uses a .org URL) show that a well-funded effort linked to Democratic strategist Lucy Caldwell and a top aide to LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman was at the root of a plan to wreck the No Labels movement.

“Our main focus should be brand destruction but, where possible, we also need to throw up any and all roadblocks to stop them from being successful at signature-gathering,” Caldwell wrote in one unsealed document.

The documents also include new details about a Dec. 19 meeting among a diverse group of Democratic activists from the think tank Third Way, the Lincoln Project, Move On and other progressive groups.

Taibbi reported on the disclosure of a letter from Emily Cain, Third Way’s senior strategic advisor, that called for an organized political effort to undermine No Labels and deter “other third-party presidential efforts.”

Dan Webb, a renowned Chicago lawyer and former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, serves as a volunteer on No Labels’ legal board because, as he told us this week, he believes that “the partisan conduct of both major parties is truly destroying the fabric of democracy.”

In early 2024, Webb and other No Labels representatives sent a letter to the Justice Department in an attempt to spur an investigation into efforts to undermine the movement. Webb, who has deep contacts within Justice and a long history of high-level successful prosecutions, couldn’t get so much as a response.

Webb believes that there is enough evidence to launch an investigation into possible civil rights violations of people who publicly supported No Labels.

“If you followed the evidence that’s been in these news articles, some of these groups were literally using fear and force to intimate people to tell people if they continued to be involved in No Labels or continued to support a unity ticket, they will never work again in Washington,” he said.

Just who was calling the shots in all of this work to take down No Labels still isn’t clear.

The emergence of the fake No Labels website was aimed at discrediting the group by falsely painting it as pro-Trump and even pro-Christian nationalist. Taibbi reported on a presentation about the planned messaging of the fake website that suggested including “christo-nationalist dog whistles.”

Plenty of this was out in the open. The Lincoln Project’s leader, for example, regularly derided No Labels as a Trump stalking horse and celebrated when the group decided not to field a candidate. As the anti-No Labels movement ramped up its work, journalists and pundits increasingly began to turn on No Labels because they adopted the messaging that it would help Trump. Whether that was true is unclear. Pre-election polling proved to be unreliable.

The DNC apparatus wanted it dead and its members got what they wanted even if it was probably destined for failure anyway.

 

[gernig]

So apparently a ghetto nigger pastor called Ja'Mel Brown is running for govenor of Alabama as a Democrat

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This is his agenda as governor of Alabama. He promises to bring:

• Twerk Tuesdays
• Wasted Wednesdays
• Thirsty Thursdays
• Make Montgomery a “strip club city”

Mind you, he is a PASTOR!

 

[Gap Hag]

So apparently a ghetto nigger pastor called Ja'Mel Brown is running for govenor of Alabama as a Democrat
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>Legalize teh potz
and i'm out at the first one, fuck off.