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Should be a wild four years.

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I'm not arguing that they didnt commit a crime initially, but that its incorrect to assume that because they committed one crime that they'll commit another and possibly more severe crime. We can see that among american citizens to. Just because someone shoplifts or speeds, doesnt mean that they'll commit a murder or rape.
Interesting proposition. Unfortunately, the analogy doesn't hold, because recidivism rates for shoplifters are fucking nuts (84% within 5 years of the first offense among people imprisoned for shoplifting and 30-40% among offenders who are convicted but not actually sent to prison for it). 30% of those re-arrests (post-prison) are for violent crimes. 51% of them are for burglary.

Violating national borders indicates, at a bare minimum, a lack of respect for boundaries and the law. It's also an ongoing crime in itself -- it is unlawful to enter the United States without authorization and it is also unlawful to be in the United States without authorization. People who say "human beings aren't illegal" are literally in error, as "illegal aliens" are factually violating the law with their mere presence.

If you are willing to live as a literal criminal, vulnerable to arrest and deportation at any time resulting from any encounter with police or federal agents, you clearly don't give a shit about (at least) the law you're breaking. Why would anyone believe you're "just skipping that one" but you totally respect the rest, especially when (at least) 21% (in 2021) of deportees were caught trying to re-enter? A repeat offender can't claim ignorance, yet here they are, in abundance.

The bottom line is illegals are criminals and should be treated as such. If they want to reapply for a Visa or other authorization to enter the US legally, I'm happy to treat them neutrally. Otherwise, they are beneath me and deserve nothing but suspicion and punishment.
 
grand juries have even been used to circumvent the 5th amendment, which has, as far as i know, never been challenged at all, let alone successfully.
You can't compel anyone to testify to information that tends to incriminate them. If you remove the risk of prosecution, there's no incrimination. Thus, the Fifth Amendment doesn't preclude compelled testimony with a grant of immunity (e.g., a pardon). This is black letter law.
 
Are the midterms fucked for the GOP with how protracted this Iran shit is getting? I don't put it past waking up one day and finding out Trump just declares the operation ended to save face and try and salvage this bad PR situation by pinning the blame on Hegseth and Kushner as fall guys, but the GOP seem fucked from where I'm looking, especially with Trump's bad messaging about how all the illegals who aren't actively criminal gangsters shooting people for drugs don't need deported.
 
Are the midterms fucked for the GOP with how protracted this Iran shit is getting? I don't put it past waking up one day and finding out Trump just declares the operation ended to save face and try and salvage this bad PR situation by pinning the blame on Hegseth and Kushner as fall guys, but the GOP seem fucked from where I'm looking, especially with Trump's bad messaging about how all the illegals who aren't actively criminal gangsters shooting people for drugs don't need deported.
No, it's been 2 week. Don't be a mongoloid
 
Are the midterms fucked for the GOP with how protracted this Iran shit is getting? I don't put it past waking up one day and finding out Trump just declares the operation ended to save face and try and salvage this bad PR situation by pinning the blame on Hegseth and Kushner as fall guys, but the GOP seem fucked from where I'm looking, especially with Trump's bad messaging about how all the illegals who aren't actively criminal gangsters shooting people for drugs don't need deported.
There are a little under 6 more months until the midterm general elections. If Iran has truly turned into a quagmire and we're still there in 5-6 months, then yeah. Otherwise the average voter will be influenced by something else that has pissed them off or directly affected their lives.
 
I need your take USPG2.
I just got approached by a recruiter for a very established company offering an interview for what could be the biggest paycheck of my life. The downside? I’d have to move to the Seattle area. I’ve never even been to Washington and everything I have ever heard about Seattle sounds like hell. But I’m also a life long southern Californian.

What’s your take? Should I just pass? I’ve been trying to escape this state, but CA to WA just seems a lateral move
Take the job, earn the money, and use that position for the next rung. You cannot exchange your principles for goods and services.
 
Are the midterms fucked for the GOP with how protracted this Iran shit is getting? I don't put it past waking up one day and finding out Trump just declares the operation ended to save face and try and salvage this bad PR situation by pinning the blame on Hegseth and Kushner as fall guys, but the GOP seem fucked from where I'm looking, especially with Trump's bad messaging about how all the illegals who aren't actively criminal gangsters shooting people for drugs don't need deported.
If Iran fucks the mid terms will hinge on the cost of gas and the total number of flag draped coffins by the week before election day. Nothing more complicated than that.
 
but the doomers assured me that there was nowhere in the entire middle east except iran to get oil from! are you telling me the indian ocean is actually... NOT entirely filled with iranian mines, and that all they've done is make their own product untenable? did they forget that this is a line goes up economy?

hey, wait a minute. i notice that these pundits are announcing all this after market close... are they in on the manipulated oil futures too!?
I didn't even know Iran exported oil. The literal Saudi stereotype is a guy who got rich off oil. The sport shows that take place there are literally referred to as oil money shows. (When they're not troons calling them blood money shows)
 
Looks like Las Vegas Metro Police has had enough with judges releasing criminals 30+ times and Metro has finally said ‘no, this criminal is too dangerous to release and we don’t want the responsibility of monitoring him electronically. So now it is going through the courts, might even be a SCOTUS case.
 
The bottom line is illegals are criminals and should be treated as such. If they want to reapply for a Visa or other authorization to enter the US legally, I'm happy to treat them neutrally. Otherwise, they are beneath me and deserve nothing but suspicion and punishment.
I've shifted into saying fuck visas for now, too. Riggers ruin everything. Even refugee shit is abused since apparently every third world shithole is so bad that the only place millions of people can find refuge is the US or Europe. What was designed to be a special visa for extreme circumstances is abused as a basic foot in the door.
 
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