Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

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AnOminous said:
The suicide drug SaSu endorses is sodium nitrite. They're both pretty bad for you.
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My bad. I guess it’s got a 20x lower Ld50 that the nitrate, so it makes sense, but seriously, they’ll just dose you up with methylene blue and street you. Nobody gives a single shit for anyone suicidal in Britain, they just want you to have a licence for it
We need to return to the days of the chemist selling strychnine and cyanide.
The Lords, thankfully, have tabled about a billion amendments to the assisted dying act, to try to slow it down, but I am sure the government is just going to use the parliaments act on it and ram it through as soon as they can
 
Otterly said:
My bad. I guess it’s got a 20x lower Ld50 that the nitrate, so it makes sense, but seriously, they’ll just dose you up with methylene blue and street you. Nobody gives a single shit for anyone suicidal in Britain, they just want you to have a licence for it
We need to return to the days of the chemist selling strychnine and cyanide.
The Lords, thankfully, have tabled about a billion amendments to the assisted dying act, to try to slow it down, but I am sure the government is just going to use the parliaments act on it and ram it through as soon as they can
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What do you have against the assisted dying bill? It's for the terminal- 6 months or less to live. Only a handful of fundamentalists have put in nearly 1,000 "amendments" between them! That's not in good faith, they're trying to stop it ever passing because of their own (mainly) religious views. We need choice on this issue in the UK.
 
IWantItAll said:
What do you have against the assisted dying bill? It's for the terminal- 6 months or less to live. Only a handful of fundamentalists have put in nearly 1,000 "amendments" between them! That's not in good faith, they're trying to stop it ever passing because of their own (mainly) religious views. We need choice on this issue in the UK.
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One moment it's for the terminally ill, next it's for the slightly depressed. It happened in Canada, it will happen there. It's not for any kind of compassionate reasons, it's to save money by just fucking killing people.
 
IWantItAll said:
What do you have against the assisted dying bill? It's for the terminal- 6 months or less to live. Only a handful of fundamentalists have put in nearly 1,000 "amendments" between them! That's not in good faith, they're trying to stop it ever passing because of their own (mainly) religious views. We need choice on this issue in the UK.
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It creates an extrajudicial method of the state killing people. Starts with just the terminal cases, five years later like in Canada you’ve got same-day murder even if the victim changes their mind.
Everyone has a right to end their own lives. I’d support a grey area where the loved ones of terminal patients aren’t prosecuted for pillow application if it’s very clear they wanted it, but not the state getting involved
 
Otterly said:
It creates an extrajudicial method of the state killing people. Starts with just the terminal cases, five years later like in Canada you’ve got same-day murder even if the victim changes their mind.
Everyone has a right to end their own lives. I’d support a grey area where the loved ones of terminal patients aren’t prosecuted for pillow application if it’s very clear they wanted it, but not the state getting involved
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Differences in healthcare styles:
Patient: I have a broken leg.

America: Got $50,000?
UK: We can get you an appointment in two years.
Canada: Lmao kill yourself.
 
Otterly said:
It creates an extrajudicial method of the state killing people. Starts with just the terminal cases, five years later like in Canada you’ve got same-day murder even if the victim changes their mind.
Everyone has a right to end their own lives. I’d support a grey area where the loved ones of terminal patients aren’t prosecuted for pillow application if it’s very clear they wanted it, but not the state getting involved
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Everyone always brings up Canada but I believe other countries have implemented it and it's not ended up as bad as Canada is supposed to be for this. And I don't know if I could suffocate granny no matter how much she begged me to.

femboy fart huffer said:
You believe the government?
You listen to what they say and just nod and don't question it?
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No but I don't see how you can stop something passing based on what might happen in the future which would have to be a different bill entirely.

As things stand in the UK they'll just try and kill you off slowly in a corridor over days by lack of care whilst you wait to be seen and then die in front of a bunch of strangers.
 
IWantItAll said:
And I don't know if I could suffocate granny no matter how much she begged me to.
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The government already will give out medication that you SHOULD NOT EVER give more than one dose at a time if you're old.
IWantItAll said:
No but I don't see how you can stop something passing based on what might happen in the future
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I mean. They can. If they can see something can be abused in the future they can amend it to make it less abusable. The government's job kinda is to think about how laws might have a future impact. It would be a lot easier to say 'we're also going to kill people with mental health issues as well as the elderly' instead of coming out of it from nowhere. Using state suicide to free up the nhs waiting room is dystopian.
 
@femboy fart huffer If they had legit concerns that's one thing but not to put in 1,000 amendments. Some of them are just really dumb and unworkable reasons. It's not like anyone who supports the bill wants it coming in without any safeguards or scrutiny. You could say they'll look at Canada and decide what NOT to do. We just don't know at this point.

Using state suicide to free up the nhs waiting room is dystopian.
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Yes of course but the system atm doesn't work. It's worse than third world healthcare in the emergency room. I'm just pointing out that people are dying unnecessarily now. People who could've actually been saved but didn't get treatment in time. People dying in corridors is a scandal. People waiting two days to be seen is a scandal.

I don't generally want government involvement, I hate OFCOM, hate the idea of ID cards, nanny state etc. but I see this as a personal choice thing. The government aren't actually deciding this. It's not like you get 6 months to live diagnosis and then have to get AD! Never mind it being rolled out to anyone else and the government killing off the mentally ill and homeless etc.
 
IWantItAll said:
The government aren't actually deciding this.
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But they will push it. Even just by it existing. No matter what they do they will promote it to some degree. That will always get more people who would not otherwise consider it to go through with it. I think everyone has a right to stop living if they want but I don't think that means the government should make it as easy as possible. Currently there's some dedication needed, you have to go and find someone to sell you heroin or deal with the fact hanging yourself or cutting your wrists is going to be fucking painful. It acts as a natural barrier to make sure only people who do genuinely want to die and can understand it go through with it, instead of people going through a rough patch with an illness that will clear up in a month or two.

And the government has a massive incentive to push it. They can't force it but they can take the tv license approach and try to force it that way. They have a massive financial motive even if you just look at the nhs itself let alone any other big chunks of money from inheritance or whatever. I simply do not trust the government to be reasonable and rational when we have seen them do the exact opposite for decades. The nhs is broken. Killing off natives so that it can better serve the flood of foreigners is not how you fix that, you do the inverse and remove the people who have no right to be here that needlessly clog the system.
 
@femboy fart huffer you make some good points and it's something to think about. The problem with making it as hard as possible across the board is the fact terminal people don't always have the means to go through with the methods healthy but depressed people do. They need that help which is the moral problem. I mean the police even took elderly peoples SN away a while back. I don't trust the government either but I really can't support terminal people just suffering that badly for months (or being so drugged up they're barely conscious) if that's not what they want. I don't know what the answer is. Well to me it is the bill but obviously only if it is implemented in exactly the way it's supposed to be. I suppose you could argue people can go to Switzerland now if they want it badly enough. I know that's what I'd do.
 
IWantItAll said:
or being so drugged up they're barely conscious
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If you're terminally ill, especially to the point of essentially being medically lobotomised then if you just took an entire pack of that medication you'd probably die. I don't think it should be as hard as possible, I just don't think it should be as easy as possible. Right now at least where I live it'd be somewhat easy to find someone selling heroin or ket and I could probably buy a lethal dose within a week if I tried.

My ideal solution would be to just repeal gun control. But that would first require getting crime rates back down and all that shit first which expecting that to happen any time soon is probably a lethal dose of cope in and of itself. The way I see these sorts of laws is you either have to trust the general public or the government. If you trust the government to do it then the nhs will administer some sort of lethal injection or whatever, hopefully a variation that actually works, and you trust that they will not push it too far or make it too easy or any other issue. That or you allow the people to do it themselves, you give them access to cyanide or a pistol or whatever, in that case you have to trust that the general public will not go around shooting or poisoning random people. I don't see how the trust could be placed in any other party. If there was a third party to keep it sane then it'd end up like ofcom where it's an arm of the state in all but name, or like countless other things like the foster care system where the third party can raise flags and tell the government there's a massive problem but not have the power to force change. We have to trust one group to be responsible. At the moment I do not trust any groups at all.
 
Why do you need a whole forum to figure out how to kill yourself? Even my grandpa told me how to do it by just exploring a mine with a petrol lamp and finding a cave with little oxygen.
AnOminous said:
Personally I'd say self immolation but hey, no disputing taste.
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IMO the absolute worst way is to overdose on tylenol or other medicines that fuck your liver because it takes several days, you can't reverse course unless you get a transplant and it's agonizing.
 
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