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And analog clocks can run without electricity. Useful if hypothetical disaster cut power.
Tales of the Competency Crisis - How do I into anything?
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What makes our dystopia interesting is how innovation and the broad use of new technology has made corpos and companies forget the wheel in the name of "innovation" which is just loadsa money. Couple the competency crisis with the infamous replication crisis science faces and it makes you question everything you believe in.
Okay, now I don't expect you to know a 30 year old anime called Evangelion, but it takes place in a 90s view of what 2015 would be. I pointed out to my girlfriend the other day that if EVA took place in 2015 they would not have survived and humanity would have perished sooner because our worlds technological progression has removed most analog elements from our daily lives and business lives. There is an episode in which the power goes out before an alien attacks, and they have to use generators and analog backup power technologies. I thought to myself, "companies these days are all about cutting costs, even the military." Alternatives are the last thing faggots think about anymore. There's no way they'd survive in our 2015 and even less now. It really sobers the mind, that many fucked up cyberpunk-ish works of fiction and sci Fi are still more conceptually advanced than today. Reality is stranger than fiction.
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These things are related. Reading time from an analogue clock requires a basic level of spatial reasoning, which is also used to remember the position of countries relative to one another. They can't read maps for a similar reason (the always-forward behaviour of phone navigation). If their spatial reasoning ability so atrophied that they can't the time from the hands on a clock, then of course they can't remember whether mexico or canada is north. North is meaningless to them.
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My school was staffed by a bunch of conservative boomers that still ran the material they learned as children. We had the modern books, but they were mostly used to introduce a subject. Then they handed out scans from books from the 20s. For arithmetic we would get sheets with 30 questions, long divisions and large multiplications. When you were done you handed it to the teacher. More than 3 mistakes? They would give you a new sheet and you'd have to do all of them again. Less than 3 mistakes? Here's another sheet. I must've solved hundreds of questions. We also didn't start the next subject until everyone got their arithmetic tasks done. So the one and a half they had planned out would often just end up being two and a half or three hours, to make sure even the slow pupils completed it all. Same with reading, you had to read, a lot. The other subjects were crammed in where they had time left over, but most of our time was spent arithmetic, reading and writing.
I understand what the new books were trying to do, not just force children to drill, but to use logic. In fact, that is what a lot of people ask for. "Ugh, school is so stupid, we have calculators now, children should learn how to program or reason". For example: "A ferris wheel has 23 cabins that can hold 4 people, all of them are filled, except for the last one, which had two people in it. Johnny says that there are 88 people + 2 extra, for a total of 90. Stacy says if it's full it can hold 92 people, but 2 seats are empty for a total of 88 people. Mike says there are 4 people per cabin, + 2 for the final cabin, for a total of 138. Who is right and why?" This doesn't just have you solve the problem, but also apply logic. A teacher can also troubleshoot what the student is struggling with if he has the wrong answer. At the other hand, there are 3 of these questions per page, so 1 old question sheet has as many questions as 10 pages of a modern school book. And of course the school book only gives you maybe 5 questions before going to the next subject.
In the end, the simple drills worked a lot better at teaching than the modern method. In high school there was some kind of "basic arithmetic" hour once for some reason, and half the class couldn't do anything without a calculator. The slowest pupils in elementary were better at it than some of my brightest peers in high school.
I think the reality is, is that pedagogy is a terrible discipline that catastrophically failed. They said drills are bad, instead questions should make students practice logical reasoning. But it doesn't work, the drills did. At this point publishers printing school books, pedagogy catladies and teacher catladies are too entrenched to ever reverse course. 5 questions per hour leaves enough time for teachers to call tiktokbrainrotten children back to order over and over again.
I understand what the new books were trying to do, not just force children to drill, but to use logic. In fact, that is what a lot of people ask for. "Ugh, school is so stupid, we have calculators now, children should learn how to program or reason". For example: "A ferris wheel has 23 cabins that can hold 4 people, all of them are filled, except for the last one, which had two people in it. Johnny says that there are 88 people + 2 extra, for a total of 90. Stacy says if it's full it can hold 92 people, but 2 seats are empty for a total of 88 people. Mike says there are 4 people per cabin, + 2 for the final cabin, for a total of 138. Who is right and why?" This doesn't just have you solve the problem, but also apply logic. A teacher can also troubleshoot what the student is struggling with if he has the wrong answer. At the other hand, there are 3 of these questions per page, so 1 old question sheet has as many questions as 10 pages of a modern school book. And of course the school book only gives you maybe 5 questions before going to the next subject.
In the end, the simple drills worked a lot better at teaching than the modern method. In high school there was some kind of "basic arithmetic" hour once for some reason, and half the class couldn't do anything without a calculator. The slowest pupils in elementary were better at it than some of my brightest peers in high school.
I think the reality is, is that pedagogy is a terrible discipline that catastrophically failed. They said drills are bad, instead questions should make students practice logical reasoning. But it doesn't work, the drills did. At this point publishers printing school books, pedagogy catladies and teacher catladies are too entrenched to ever reverse course. 5 questions per hour leaves enough time for teachers to call tiktokbrainrotten children back to order over and over again.
Church clocks, waiting room clocks and setting a time in google calendar all use a analog clock (the google calendar one has numbers but still an analog layout). Many concepts like position (he's at 6 oclock) or rotation (clockwise) are derived from analog clocks. It is a pretty basic concept. Besides, in the past we were somehow able to teach reading, writing, arthimatic, spelling, grammar, history, etc. and also analog clock reading within the same time students have now. The modern teaching methods reduced the information density without increasing uptake, and every day is a fucking special day. Pink monday means all regular lessons have to be suspended so children can learn what being gay means and how to have buttsex.
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I agree with the "modern" method, in that explaining the context of a problem (in what situation you might use it) is really important*. But yeah, you just cannot skip the drilling. It is nice to intuitively understand something the first time you hear it, but that's not gonna make it stick by itself.
* I remember learning about integrals, and only understanding what they are useful for after we learned how to calculate them. I would have been a lot more motivated to learn if I knew what I was working toward, rather than just "here's how to do it, learn it".
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When you read the modern method, and see the examples, it seems like the better method, but practical experience shows that the newer generations suck at arithmetic. I can totally see what they're trying to do. They try to teach children to turn abstract problems into math questions, and test them if they understand the order of operations. But modern children suck at solving simple sums and aren't any better at logic either.
A while back the modern method was discussed in the news, as children were performing worse and worse. They showed tests taken by 10 year olds in the 60s, and tests they get now. The difference in difficulty was massive. Vibe-based reading exercises don't work as well as the old boring method. The modern method works for smart people and people that already understand it. The bottom line is that 60 years ago, they produced children capable of reading newspapers when they left elementary, now, children have to use text-to-speech to read exercise questions.
We did get an introduction to integrals as a method to calculate the surface under a graph (going from delta x * delta Y to dx/dy) but in the end the grind helped more than trying to explain what you are accomplish. In hindsight the "bar chart to try and solve the surface under a graph" made a lot more sense after I already knew how to do integration. I think we worked through 5 different proofs of the Pythagorean rule but in the end x^2+y^2=z^2 is what stuck more than trying to rediscover the formula.
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While I agree with most of your post, this seems very region specific.
Churches here do a ringing system because clocks, even if they are there, are hard to see in cramped Euro spaces, even if your phone is out of power.
First they ring one type of bell for the 1,2,3,4th quarters, than another bell for the number of hours. This was I guess so that peasants who coulsn't afford home or pocket clocks could still get informed about the time.
I never heard someone using clocks for directions outside US war movies. It is either before, after, to the left or right. Usually it was used with fighter planes, Boogie is on your six is never a good sign.
Google calendar, we use paper stuff for that.
They show lunar phase and eclipses, namedays, spent/remaining days in the year, serial number of the week, dawn/sunset timings. Today is 6:10 for sunrise, 17:38 for sundown. Hourly boxes from 8 to 19.
Rotation is... I am not sure. I mostly hear left or right there too, but maybe special toolmakers do use other words.
Edit: I didn't turn out any useful info.
The word is "clock arrow procession direction" , which I think maybe there in some manuals autotranslated from English. Saying that mouthful seems harder than tuen it rightwise.
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Im in Europe. And even if they ring every fifteen minutes you still want to look at them rater than wait for them to ring.
Oh, I forgot, train stations also have an analog clock (although the digital boards that tell you the arrival times are in digital format)
We use it all the time. Which way to turn a screw, turn order in a boardgame (if you use left/right then the person across you will not know the correct way since left/right are relative) descriptions of pictures (for example: clockwise from top: john, peter, sander, chris) and many many other situations. Basically anything where you have to turn, clockwise/counterclockwise are used instead of left/right since that can be ambiguous.
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What the fuck are they teaching kids, nowadays?
This is probably an multinational thing, since the Germans had allegedly used it for armored warfare. But this is more than likely just an rumor that's being spread around by the usual set of grifters. But I can see an soldier using an clock just to provide an shorthand for his relative bearing. Everything else is mostly tied to an magnetic compass and creating an azimuth for the rest of the unit
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Probably bullshit like that delirious "Common Core" approach to math, why it's "inherently problematic" to be a straight white Christian male, and/or ICE and Orange Man Bad.
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I've sat through Common Core and my math skills are fine. It's just that the kids aren't really putting in the effort to actually go through with it.
But to be fair, I also got out right before the libtards ruined everything.
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I thought it was worse. Though I'm not a "Zoomer", so I got taught maths the way it was taught before "Common Core".
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Yeah, we just had the "manually count the dots" bit, back then. Along with writing an miniature one when it came to adding 2 or more double-digit numbers. This actually would have been pretty close to how I learned how divide shit with an remainder.
That shit is fucking retarded and whoever came up with it needs an 9mm through their brain.
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How long ago was that?
I think what happened with me is that I memorized some additions, and use those as references for others. Like with 8+7 I may think "that's one more than 7+7 which I know is 14", for example. I foget what that exact method was in elementary school, but I do know it was far faster than some "Common Core" method (which sounds like a feverish way). For adding bigger numbers, it was that thing with that columns and the carrying the one thing. I also learned long division with remainders, which I forgot because decimals.
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Around 2 decades ago, but that bit kind of stopped at the 2nd grade.
But this actually was an mainstay and hardly anyone really complained about. Algebra, on the other hand, gave the most of the class PTSD, lmao. And it was an shit test for filtering out the retards in high school
Did you ever came across any lunacy like this?
Because the worst things got for me was when the class retard holding up an algebra lesson for 20 minutes because our teacher wanted to single him out for being one of the few who was floating simply by doing the bare minimum
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I have no idea what this schizophrenic rambling is supposed to say.
In elementary where we had the drills the teacher would immediately take the problem children and sit down with them after the instruction while the rest of us worked on our sheets. If you were done with your sheets (did like 3 sheets) you were allowed to do something else, like read the book you borrowed from the school library. Algebra was during secondary school, at which point children are already sorted by performance, so you're together with the other smartest children from other elementary schools.
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I want a nice wristwatch and I'm not muslim enough for a Casio F-91W so it's analog for me.
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A lot of progressive pedagogy assumes that kids are just short adults. 7 year olds aren't going to have the cognitive capacity that adults do, so they can't do that level of logic. Progressives really hate it when the laws of biology are a limitation to their vision of Wakanda.
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The narcissist is an complete retard and was trying to go on a tangent on how simply being disabled doesn't makes you an idiot. An lot of nuance surrounding Stephen Hawkins was ignored to the point where she thought that filling out an extremely basic equation counts as proof that she's "gifted"