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PS1gamenwatch said:
An old NWA Dallas promo with Junkyard Dog and Ahmed Johnson from 1994:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kvUXOlwwQnoI wonder why WWF never considered to bring JYD back in 94 considering how much stars that left. Also that pause at the end, it's like he's wondering what Ahmed was saying.
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Should tell you something when Ahmed's GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY niggerese was totally incomprehensible even to other niggers.
 
trent said:
Seems like Mercedes has started going back to all the random indies she worked over the past couple of years to drop her titles.
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This is why the belt collector thing never works. At some point, you have to go back, and diminish your value by getting pinned by literal whos.
 
Well Intentioned said:
So what was the net gain for everyone in this?
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I suppose the idea is that it gives talent in the indie fed the rub.

It's not much different from a big name going around working the territories back in the day.

Probably works as a scouting thing for TK as well because Mone can tell him if any of the women she's working with are actually worth signing based on firsthand experience with them in the ring.
 
trent said:
I suppose the idea is that it gives talent in the indie fed the rub.

It's not much different from a big name going around working the territories back in the day.

Probably works as a scouting thing for TK as well because Mone can tell him if any of the women she's working with are actually worth signing based on firsthand experience with them in the ring.
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Okay but did any of this actually happen?
 
A belt collector gimmick can work if the wrestler is winning titles within the same promotion. Nobody gives a shit that you went to a village in Poland and beat someone your audience has never heard of for a title they've never heard of then randomly show up with the belt like they're supposed to be impressed by this. Why would they care? For all they know, those matches never actually happened and it's all bullshit anyway.
 
Danhausen has grown on me.

Kermit the Frog said:
A belt collector gimmick can work if the wrestler is winning titles within the same promotion. Nobody gives a shit that you went to a village in Poland and beat someone your audience has never heard of for a title they've never heard of then randomly show up with the belt like they're supposed to be impressed by this. Why would they care? For all they know, those matches never actually happened and it's all bullshit anyway.
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I'm not a fan. It just screams lazy booking to me
 
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Kermit the Frog said:
A belt collector gimmick can work if the wrestler is winning titles within the same promotion.
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They have access soooo many belts too, lol. I they could have put the AEW and ROH TV titles on her, the one she had from Japan, and the one she had from CMLL, and still had the cool visual effect of he walking out with a bunch of belts.
 
Never Scored said:
They have access soooo many belts too, lol. I they could have put the AEW and ROH TV titles on her, the one she had from Japan, and the one she had from CMLL, and still had the cool visual effect of he walking out with a bunch of belts.
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there's some sort of cosmic law that the number of belts a promotion has is inverse to the fucks they give about belts
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
there's some sort of cosmic law that the number of belts a promotion has is inverse to the fucks they give about belts
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I feel that the abundance of belts is indicative of a greater issue plaguing modern wrestling, that being the belief that belts make the star or vice versa. Belts exist in wrestling as a storytelling device that give immediate incentive to compete. A scarcity of belts means that there's more competition you have to overcome in order to get a chance to be champion. And the few people that manage to consistently find themselves in the title picture already have a sense of legitimacy because they've already proven themselves by overcoming immense opposition from dozens of other competitors vying for the title. Winning a title doesn't MAKE a wrestler a star, it solidifies the star power that they've already worked to acquire. Mercedes Mone to me is like Mayweather if instead of earning his belts by beating world ranked elite boxers (call him a cherrypicker all you want, the results are all that matters), he went around state to state, beating local champions for their titles and claiming to be the best boxer in history despite never holding a title from the top boxing promotions.
 
Magic Sun Daddy said:
I feel that the abundance of belts is indicative of a greater issue plaguing modern wrestling, that being the belief that belts make the star or vice versa. Belts exist in wrestling as a storytelling device that give immediate incentive to compete. A scarcity of belts means that there's more competition you have to overcome in order to get a chance to be champion. And the few people that manage to consistently find themselves in the title picture already have a sense of legitimacy because they've already proven themselves by overcoming immense opposition from dozens of other competitors vying for the title. Winning a title doesn't MAKE a wrestler a star, it solidifies the star power that they've already worked to acquire. Mercedes Mone to me is like Mayweather if instead of earning his belts by beating world ranked elite boxers (call him a cherrypicker all you want, the results are all that matters), he went around state to state, beating local champions for their titles and claiming to be the best boxer in history despite never holding a title from the top boxing promotions.
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ECW perfected this formula. You had the World title, TV title, Tag titles (FTW is just the original BMF belt, doesn't mean much). That was it. Whoever held these 3 belts were thee guy(s). And RVD was a star before winning the TV title, winning the belt only further cemented he was the top guy. On a side note, I think the TV title was actually the most prestigious belt in the company because Van Dam had such a stranglehold on it, and he was the main attraction.
 
OJ Simpson said:
ECW perfected this formula. You had the World title, TV title, Tag titles (FTW is just the original BMF belt, doesn't mean much). That was it. Whoever held these 3 belts were thee guy(s). And RVD was a star before winning the TV title, winning the belt only further cemented he was the top guy. On a side note, I think the TV title was actually the most prestigious belt in the company because Van Dam had such a stranglehold on it, and he was the main attraction.
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That's what happens when you let fanboys book wrestling. Tony Khan has a greater appreciation and deeper respect of wrestling than Vince Russo, but they both have the same problem when it comes to putting television together, that being that they're both mainly interested in the highlight moments of wrestling history. ECW gets a bad rep sometimes for being all about garbage wrestling with an overemphasis on big dangerous spots, but it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did if it didn't have someone like Heyman who actually had an eye for talent and a solid understanding of roster hierarchy. There's a reason why the Smackdown Six era, short as it was, was one of the most loved eras of that show's entire history.
 
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