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Additional footage about the loot:
Funny update: 5 of the 7 Ukrainians are still missing. If I understand correctly noone knows where some Ukrainian employees responsible for transporting the money are.
Timeline:
1. They were taken into TEK [Counter Terrorism Agency] custody and weren't allowed to contact their families and the consulate.
2. NAV [Hungarian IRS] launched an investigation into money laundering
3. Hungary formally announced their expulsion.
4. Apparently the Ukrainian embassy received the information that 5 of the 7 employees have been let go and 2 are still in custody (of NAV now). The employees being let go is really fucking weird considering they are formally accused of laundering about 30bil Hungarian cash.
This is where we are now -> 5.The (Hungarian) lawyer of these Ukrainian citizens alongside the ambassador to Hungary, Fegyir Sándor personally went to the TEK HQ to look for the Ukrainians. It makes sense that if the rest is not with NAV they are with TEK. TEK stated: "They have no information of the Ukrainian citizens being in their custody". That's an odd way to word it. Anyway, both of them were turned around at the door and the ones in NAV custody apparently couldn't be reached either according to the latest reporting.
All 7 Ukrainians are now released and across the border.
A FIDESZ proxy (the state party governing with the heaven's mandate and absolute authority for the past 16 years non-stop, ruling with decrees) is holding an anti-Ukrainian protest in front of the Ukrainian embassy; you could cut the irony with a knife, the dictator organizing protests in his own little realm could be a Monty Python sketch.
"Say no to the Ukrainian puppet!"
Hungarian FM Szijjártó has also made a speech at the protest.
A few quotes from ole Szijjártó "Cockatoo" Péter from today's event: "Ukraine is fighting for itself, not for us, not in our stead either, so for this we owe Ukraine nothing. Nothing at all.".
"There's blackmail everyday, it's all just pressure and provocation to get Hungary caught up in [the war]-"
"Zelenskyy threatened the Hungarian Prime Minister with death. They threaten and they blackmail, but this is not new, we remember, because the Ukrainian mafia does not have to be introduced to us. We remember the thugs, but now they are at a presidential level. "
Szijjártó also demanded that the Ukrainians "Immediately stop threatening the people of Hungary" and for "Zelenskyy to tone down the attitude".
Ps. Looking at the average age of the people attending these protests is a decent representative of Orban's voting demographic.
Timeline:
1. They were taken into TEK [Counter Terrorism Agency] custody and weren't allowed to contact their families and the consulate.
2. NAV [Hungarian IRS] launched an investigation into money laundering
3. Hungary formally announced their expulsion.
4. Apparently the Ukrainian embassy received the information that 5 of the 7 employees have been let go and 2 are still in custody (of NAV now). The employees being let go is really fucking weird considering they are formally accused of laundering about 30bil Hungarian cash.
This is where we are now -> 5.The (Hungarian) lawyer of these Ukrainian citizens alongside the ambassador to Hungary, Fegyir Sándor personally went to the TEK HQ to look for the Ukrainians. It makes sense that if the rest is not with NAV they are with TEK. TEK stated: "They have no information of the Ukrainian citizens being in their custody". That's an odd way to word it. Anyway, both of them were turned around at the door and the ones in NAV custody apparently couldn't be reached either according to the latest reporting.
All 7 Ukrainians are now released and across the border.
A FIDESZ proxy (the state party governing with the heaven's mandate and absolute authority for the past 16 years non-stop, ruling with decrees) is holding an anti-Ukrainian protest in front of the Ukrainian embassy; you could cut the irony with a knife, the dictator organizing protests in his own little realm could be a Monty Python sketch.
"Say no to the Ukrainian puppet!"
Hungarian FM Szijjártó has also made a speech at the protest.
A few quotes from ole Szijjártó "Cockatoo" Péter from today's event: "Ukraine is fighting for itself, not for us, not in our stead either, so for this we owe Ukraine nothing. Nothing at all.".
"There's blackmail everyday, it's all just pressure and provocation to get Hungary caught up in [the war]-"
"Zelenskyy threatened the Hungarian Prime Minister with death. They threaten and they blackmail, but this is not new, we remember, because the Ukrainian mafia does not have to be introduced to us. We remember the thugs, but now they are at a presidential level. "
Szijjártó also demanded that the Ukrainians "Immediately stop threatening the people of Hungary" and for "Zelenskyy to tone down the attitude".
Ps. Looking at the average age of the people attending these protests is a decent representative of Orban's voting demographic.
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And there it is:
It's such an obvious publicity stunt, it's not even funny. So damn brazen.
I wonder what are the reactions from other EU members and what they're going to do about this incident. This isn't how I imagine EU operating, this is some banana republic shit that should not be tolerated. If they just let it slide, it will reflect poorly on their already marred image.
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Gypo Orbán and his crew are retards. They had a semi hit when they caused Zelensky to lose his temper a little and talk of his men visiting that Roma scoundrel, but they display the stolen money with Raiffeisen Bank transfer slips. Money launderers and smugglers generally don't have official barcoded European bank manifests on the cash (see particularly the second and fourth images) and send ill gotten money by heavily documented inter-bank transfers. Ukraine cannot fly the money in the normal way. Most probably now they will try to see if they can do that, or just move it via a different route to avoid gypo banditry.
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I've actually been thinking about that, but wasn't sure. I assumed dirty money wouldn't have legit bank markings of some sort in transfer.
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If Orbán's popo had a brain between them, they've hide or remove those labels.
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The gold bars are also identifiable, they didn't have their serial numbers filed off. They also seem to be bars from Münze Österreich, the Austrian state mint, so that checks out aswell.
Also occam's razor: if there was anything wrong with the documentation of the shipment, if there was even the slightest chance of any of the statements or permits being forgeries, does anyone not think Hungary would have mentioned this during these fairly tense 24 hours? If the crew were not regular, documented bank employees (military background or not, which is fairly common in the security industry) and instead actual Ukrainian spies, does anyone think they would have just let them go like that after detaining them for a few hours? As of now multiple international actors are accusing Hungary of robbery and kidnapping, all extremely serious accusations; if the state had any exonerating factors they would have provided it. Instead of doing just that it's them doubling down saying money laundering and 'mafia' over and over again.
Not to mention NAV itself has cited that since January 2026 over $900mil+, €420mil+ and 146 kg gold has transited through Hungary towards Ukraine from Austria. They have done this many times before, clearly with the Hungarian agencies' knowledge and complying with laws and regulations; if there was funny business going on NAV would have jumped on it years ago. Not sure if I posted it already but this is the statement where the National Tax and Customs Administration (NAV) is citing the 900 mil USD, 400 mil euro and 146 kg gold figure.
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Someone in Orban's (or more likely FSB's) office must've stumbled upon this data and went "Guys, I have an idea!"
A lot is unclear, but what I'm most confident about is that it's not a spontaneous event, and that Hungarians are lying.
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April 12 cannot come soon enough.
However, I imagine there's a chance that Orbán will adopt the Maduro strategy and declare himself the winner with fake results regardless of the actual vote. @latinlover would Fidesz have the ability and willingness to pull that off?
However, I imagine there's a chance that Orbán will adopt the Maduro strategy and declare himself the winner with fake results regardless of the actual vote. @latinlover would Fidesz have the ability and willingness to pull that off?
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US Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent: "We may unsanction other Russian oil":
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I hope the Trump Administration won't try and clean up for Orbán the gypo. I hope too the EU does more than cutting off the EU funds Orbán needs for his zebras. Meloni broadcast some message of support for the gypo. She might stymie efforts to punish Hungary, yet again. This is robbery and kidnap. Weak responses embolden criminals.
The US & Israel-Iran War will likely be a pretext to remove more sanctions against Russian oil. I hope Ukraine keeps up its efforts against Russian oil and perhaps even work some magic on Russian tankers alleged waiting to deliver oil to the smelly, poo stained pajeets. Obviously Kazakh and Azeri oil moves through Russia to some degree, but Ukraine knows how to handle that.
Trump insulting rejected Ukrainian offers of help with cheap drone interception, when last he visited, but now they want that help having fired over 3000 Patriots, more than Ukraine ever got.
Trump got angry and almost threatening with Fox correspondent Peter Doocy mentioned Russian aid to Iran, deriving from WaPo report about Russian intelligence assisting the mullahs in targeting US forces.
Hegseth says the US already knows of any relevant contacts. That doesn't inspire confidence.
The US & Israel-Iran War will likely be a pretext to remove more sanctions against Russian oil. I hope Ukraine keeps up its efforts against Russian oil and perhaps even work some magic on Russian tankers alleged waiting to deliver oil to the smelly, poo stained pajeets. Obviously Kazakh and Azeri oil moves through Russia to some degree, but Ukraine knows how to handle that.
Trump insulting rejected Ukrainian offers of help with cheap drone interception, when last he visited, but now they want that help having fired over 3000 Patriots, more than Ukraine ever got.
Trump got angry and almost threatening with Fox correspondent Peter Doocy mentioned Russian aid to Iran, deriving from WaPo report about Russian intelligence assisting the mullahs in targeting US forces.
Hegseth says the US already knows of any relevant contacts. That doesn't inspire confidence.
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It's complicated. First, I'll explain how Hungary's elections work; it's weird but not that hard to comprehend.
Parliament has 199 seats. They are chosen in two ways:
-106 seats for the local districts. This is simple, the country is divided into 106 districts. Each district elects one person, whoever gets the most votes wins the seat, it's winner takes it all. You can only vote for the local district if you live there. If you're a Hungarian who lives outside Hungary you can only vote for the party list, if you're a Hungarian with a Hungarian address you vote for BOTH the local district candidate and the party list, but you can split your vote; eg. you can vote for TISZA on a local district, and you can vote for FIDESZ on the party list. This obviously makes no strategic sense, although MKKP as an example for a while advocated for only Party votes and not local votes because they have no chance of winning in 99.9% of the districts and their votes would otherwise be basically lost anyway, so their best chance would be to get goodwill from other opposition voters who pity them with a party list vote and direct their voters with the 'useful' votes to a party they sympathize or are allied with. THEORETICALLY if Voting in Hungary was a game of open information you could make it so that you can deny FIDESZ more seats by splitting your vote, but it's obviously impossible to predict results and splitting your vote might end up giving more seats to FIDESZ. This bit is a bit complex.
-There's a "national party list", 93 seats. These seats are distributed proportionally based on party vote share according to the party list votes.
[There's a thing called 'winner-' and 'loser compensation'. It's significant, but it doesn't matter for now - what it mostly does is makes it so that the Party that wins hard wins even harder; of course this in particular is one of the many changes in the system made to benefit FIDESZ, which has been the largest party by a mile these past 16 years. Not his increasingly benefits TISZA.]
FIDESZ cheats. It has always cheated, although it's mostly through media dominance (both state and "independent" media), gerrymandering, campaign finance imbalances, 5000 different constitutional changes tailored to favor the incumbent and last but not least direct voter fraud that takes many shapes.
1. People are getting 'paid' to vote for FIDESZ. It can be literal cash or foodstuffs, they are usually also bussed to the voting stations from state resources. These are mostly poor, rural, gypsy populations. Funnily enough probably the clearest case of this comes from the 2018 election from Ukraine, Vylok (or Tiszaújlak in Hungarian), an ethnically Hungarian village where the citizens who are also Hungarian citizens naturally have voting rights in Hungary's parliamentary elections. The former mayor was such a retard that he proudly told the reporting Hungarian TV that he organized buses, transporting about 1000 people total to polling stations (corresponding to their fictional Hungarian addresses, see ( 1. B) . In this particular case the Hungarian Supreme Court has found FIDESZ guilty, and their punishment is: a fine amounting to the illusion of a slap on the wrist. Nothing. Justice has been served!
1. B Remember how there's a party list and local districts and how Hungarians who live abroad only get to vote on the Party list? That's not very good for Orban, is it? So what they do is: They make it so that on paper their address is Hungarian: the end result is that there's some shithole in the outskirts of Budapest where there are 100 Ukrainians living (on paper). And they will all vote for that district, bussed in by the mayor of 'Bumfuckvilleskaya'. As a bonus you can use this to transport voters from the most rural areas where you already are guaranteed to win to some of the battleground districts, very useful! Reminder: Most ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine, Romania, Serbia vote for FIDESZ. In 2022 approx. 97% of the Hungarians living in Romania voted for FIDESZ.
2. NER, or the system of state oligarchy (Orban stooges) increasingly control a bigger and bigger slice of the country, more and more businesses. They employ a lot of people. Some of the more brazen 'business owners' according to whistleblowers are forcing their employees to take a photo of their voting sheets (with the X on Fidesz of course) or they will be fired.
To this problem there have mostly been 2 solutions so far:
-Take a picture of your voting sheet with a FIDESZ x. Then proceed to put an x everywhere else. Draw cocks on it. Write "Fuck you gypsy nigger" on it and jack off on the voting sheet. Do anything you want, just make sure it will invalidate your ballot.
-hamisx.com (translated: 'fakex'.com), a site that ai generates and layers an x on top of your empty voting sheet. you screenshot the image, send it to your technologically illiterate boomer FIDESZ liegelord and you lived another day and still have your job even if you vote for someone else.
3. The funniest part: FIDESZ is literally funding opposition parties, as in all of them, except TISZA- strategically what's best for FIDESZ is to have as many tiny parties be in the running as possible; FIDESZ voters will always vote for FIDESZ anyway, so these parties mostly leech away votes from the opposition. For a party to be able to run in the elections they need to get a certain amount of signatures from the populace supporting them (the season of collecting those signatures just ended a day or two ago). What happens is: These tiny parties have a hard time getting the minimum amount of signatures, so FIDESZ activists collect it for them from people on the "FIDESZ-list" who would sign anything you put in front of them. Or they may just illegally use data from past elections signatures, which results in dead people endorsing political parties or people who lets say voted for FIDESZ in a previous election will have their prior FIDESZ signature used to endorse the Hungarian Worker's Party or something.
4. misc. There's all sorts of fun things. FIDESZ has proven to at one point tamper with postal votes, burn opposition ballots, etc. They cheat.
The good news: -They didn't completely capture electoral authority, technically it still is a free election, just not a fair one. If the win is a landslide, it's extremely unlikely that disputes will arise, they will just be waiting in black cars on the Slovakian border like they did in 2022, waiting to 'escape' if shit hits the fan.
-Opposition mobilization is at an unprecedented level. There are eyes everywhere and so FIDESZ has to be extremely careful with fraud- people are there to notice and this time people will actually care.
-Domestic unrest. Modern Hungary is a nation of docile sheep, but there's blood in the water now and I legitimately believe that if FIDESZ just blatantly ignores the election result Budapest will burn. Extremely politically moderate people are already fantasizing about most of these niggers on lamp posts (on roblox squid game server of course, not in real life @my TEK handler)
-I genuinely believe that if they do it it won't be a sternly worded letter from the EU. EU will likely invoke the Nuclear Option articles eventually leading to functionally kicking a member out. We'll be internationally isolated from essentially all of our allies, most of our neighbors. I think in a particularly egregious case the US would distance themselves away. It just doesn't make sense for Orban.
The bad news: -The National Election Office is still aligned with the government filled with FIDESZ goombas. They can leverage this to allow for delayed counts or in case there are superclose districts with disputes they will side with FIDESZ.
-There are opposition delegates that make mass tampering harder, but rural areas could definitely still face the problems I outlined earlier (chain voting, intimidation, etc.)
-The central software is shit. Not only is the central software shit, but Russians have had a backdoor into it for many years now. How significant this is and how bad it can be, I guess time will tell.
What I think will happen: They will run away in case there's a supermajority TISZA victory, there might be a nice log cabin waiting for Orban in Siberia. If there's just a regular TISZA victory, it depends how close it is. If it's neck and neck they might steal it without consequences. If it's clear, then it's going to be 4 years of pissing against the wind for Tisza seeing as every single government apparatus is filled to the brim with FIDESZ lackeys you can't kick out. I don't think he'll just do a Maduro though, to answer your question.
Congrats if you got through my retarded wall of text. You can use this to prove any sub 60iq Ziggernik who tries to tell you that Orban has been democratically elected for the n+1th time now and is rightful Monarch of Hungary by God's grace with all the Hungarians just adoring the guy. What Hungary has at this point is just the rotting carcass of democracy.
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That's how Communist states outside the USSR worked. Poland had a little Peasant's Party and DDR had their own CDU whose leader also headed a Christian Socialist Association. These midget parties reflected glory on the ruling party for people surely only want the Communists. I think the Volkshammer had quite a few seats for the CDU, but they didn't matter. Orbán patently operates that model of dependent pseudo opposition. It's another tell he's a stinking old commie. Ukraine barely escaped that with Yanukovich. Hungary's voters will hopefully get rid of that Roma bandit and his crew, but the gypsy cunning is no easy thing to overcome.
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Nigga got PTSD from Russiagate, now whenever any outlet asks him about Russia, he loses his fucking mind
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Thanks for this incredible breakdown. It's disheartening how much our own leadership is all-in on this fat mob boss. Politico ran this article yesterday:
Even Marco Rubio, perhaps the only competent adult in this administration, says that Hungarian-American good relations are dependent on Orbán's victory:
And there's Trump's glazing endorsement from last month:
Holy shit, modern problems require modern solutions.
But it's a good sign that despite all these shenanigans, Tisza is still the favorite to win:
As you note, victory would only be the beginning in cleaning out the rot.
That would seriously be hilarious. I wonder how many American rightoids would still be simping for him if he's rooming with Assad in Russia.
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Now you know what I say about "Anonymous sources" and "utter made-up journoscum bullshit". But the journo there actually backs up their assertion with actual examples and make some very solid connections. So sounds legit to me.
Translation: We've been doing the same to them in Ukraine so honestly we can only cope & seethe r/n. Don't worry, we'll figure out a way to pay Vlad back.
Orban knows he's about to be fired, so is maxing out his contributions to his 401(k)
Fuck.
Trump didn't thank us for our attention to the matter, and that is going to cost Orban the election.
We can thank the EU for continuing to import as much Russian oil as possible and never expanding domestic production including out-right bans and trying to tax producers into closing shop.
I have been monitoring the comfy happening in Iran a lot this past week. And the same brown hands that camp in the Putin Ball-washing thread routinely arrive to shit that one up and remind us how the one week forever war the US has entered into is a "massive defeat" for america, and how striking military targets and targets of the regime's control apartatus is depraved and shows no regard for human life.
while continuing to suck off Putin's 4 years of constant and total victory, and how his lobbing of drones into apartment buildings is a based & trad and not at all evil.
This has made me realize the true, previous missed genius of Trump decision to bomb Iran, the real tangible benefit to the world:
We don't need to make OIF comparisons anymore. We now have a modern example.
It is February 28, 2026. The United States has invade Iran, a country it has long claimed ownership over. President George W. Bush, who has been president since 2000 and used a terrorist attack some have accused of being a state-organized false flag to maintain power jesus that's a little on point. He spent his first 10 years attacking and finally gaining control over the renegade state of Iraq. Bringing them to heel, Dubya has changed the US constitution multiple times avoide term limits and rule america for two and an half decades.
Tensions have grown with Iran, and after months of build up, immediately after the conclusion of the winter olympics Dubya orders an invasion of Iran. yeah this crap is a little eerie
The first day, Dubya feeds the helicopters and men of the 1st Battalion of the 82nd Airborne Division into the air defenses of Karaj outside of the capital of Tehran, resulting in the loss of 300 of the US' elite air assault unit as well as the shoot down of several rare AH-64 attack helipcopters and blackhawks.
C-130s with American reforcments found themselves unable to roll down the strip for landing and were forced to return to the US.
National guard units, told they were going "to the beach" were dumped out side of Ahvez with no fuel, no resupply, and no orders. Many guardsmen abandoned their armor and retreated on foot back to Sunni-separatist held areas when their tanks ran out of fuel, and left them to be recovered by Iranian farmers.
Air battles around the capital of Tehran saw several advanced US F-18 fighters be shot down by Iran's airforce of F-14 and F-4 aircraft aquired from America before the two countries split.
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I'm no Trump hater (I always had a favorable view of him after a short bout of TDS during 2016 election cycle, when I was still taking American mainstream news sources seriously), but it's easy to tell where most of his attention goes and what he either neglects or relegates to other people, likely making decisions based on their assessment. Hungary appears to be strictly in the latter category.
And while I understand wanting to piss in EU's morning coffee, backing Orban is probably not a good move. Unless Trump wants to share bitch with Putin.
And while I understand wanting to piss in EU's morning coffee, backing Orban is probably not a good move. Unless Trump wants to share bitch with Putin.
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William Spaniel on YouTube asks why cannot the US not intercept Iranian drones as cheaply as Ukraine
A Patriot missile is maybe $4 million to take down a Shahed while Ukraine does it for far less. It covers the role of JATEC in Poland which gathers and analyses military data from the Ukraine war. Interceptor drones can be Ukraine, but much is got from NATO partner countries. Where Ukraine sends experts to Arab countries, it's likely the teams are about dealing directly with the drones and operating the relevant systems for training of locals needs a far longer lead in time. A quid quo pro is Ukraine gets more heavy interceptors which it finds hard to obtain in needed quantities. Zelensky has cards to play. The Western countries have expertise in this or that interceptor system, but Ukraine integrates the knowledge. Ukraine has long range drones, but these are of limited account with strongly fortified drone factories so Ukraine holds to the idea of having a good shield as the US idea of attack as the best defense is not entirely something they have the means to do. Ukraine cannot project power like the US. Also Ukraine's low cost interception has startup costs that aren't negligible. The US can better afford using expensive means like fighter aircraft and SAM than Ukraine. Now Iran saw a 90% in launches of drones and their President is apologising to neighbors. They, plus Western countries hadn't invested in the shield Ukraine has long needed. One issue is that Ukraine is one country that can more easily network its regions but the Middle East is many so defense network for drone interception is not so easy.
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