Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
They should just go and do it at this point (this is a joke)

Seriously, Ukrainians are around death every single day, joke like this isn't anything special in context of ongoing war. That, and Orban is a sleazy cunt who deserves mockery. While Ukraine is fighting for its survival, this leech is playing political games at Ukraine's expense. So it's understandable.
 
They should just go and do it at this point (this is a joke)

Seriously, Ukrainians are around death every single day, joke like this isn't anything special in context of ongoing war. That, and Orban is a sleazy cunt who deserves mockery. While Ukraine is fighting for its survival, this leech is playing political games at Ukraine's expense. So it's understandable.
Orban said on his Twitter that they will take their oil from Ukraine by force and now a couple hours later they are crying that Zelensky threatened them.
 
Orban said on his Twitter that they will take their oil from Ukraine by force and now a couple hours later they are crying that Zelensky threatened them.
How can Hungary be such cucks for the country that ran over their people with tanks in 1956? There must be a lot of Hungarians who are ashamed of this fat ogre.
 
How can Hungary be such cucks for the country that ran over their people with tanks in 1956?
Tsarist forces also crushed our revolution/ war [probably the second most important historic date for Hungary's 'modern' history besides 1956] for independence from the Austrians in 1849, but alright, that was a long time ago, no point in holding grudges there.

I (and a lot of people) have grandparents who were witnesses to occupying Soviet soldiers raping/murdering women and murdering men in their families/neighbours, and have experienced their cattle stolen, their houses looted, etc, yet still vote for FIDESZ and sympathize with Russia. I've somehow heard all 3 of the reasonings I'll outline from mine, who are very sympathetic to the Russian Federation and very antagonistic towards Ukrainians and are Orban Viktor's most beautiful little soldiers.

Side note: There were always inherent ethnic tensions between Ukrainians and Hungarians due to the Trianon pains, just as there were with Romanians, Slovaks, Serbs, even before the war broke out, so the real Hungarian chuddy chuds (young and old) would side against the Ukrainians if they were fighting the literal forces of Hell because it's just the standard Hungarian flavour of Central European tribalism that you hate Romanians, Ukes, Slovaks, Romanians, Serbs, just like the average 60 iq guy from any of those countries would have strong feelings against Hungarians (and likely all their other neighbours too).

There are 3 separate schools of cope done by people who still somehow simp for the Russians despite being personally connected to 1956 even.

1. "These Russians are not ✨those✨ Russians. " Those were Soviets, and the Soviet Union has dissolved, there is no continuity. Putin is le based last bastion of Western/Christian culture.
2. When in 1944 Soviets initially advanced into Hungary, there were 4 main forces. The 2nd Ukrainian Front, the 3rd Ukrainian Front, the 4th Ukrainian Front and Romanian Army units that allied with the Soviets after Romania's defection. The 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian Fronts contrary to popular belief NOT named after their ethnic composition but after the operating theater they were in, but there were still loads of Ukrainian conscripts in these (about 30-40% of these were presumed to be ethnically Ukrainian soldiers), and some people do have memories of ethnically Ukrainian soldiers doing horrible things. Both Russians and Ukrainians did bad things, but the Ukrainians are the same and the Soviets (Russians) don't exist anymore, so it was only the Ukrainians, really.
3. Russians in 1956 were just an inevitable force of nature, not inherently evil, they just did what was good for them; you can't be mad at a shark for biting your arm off, that's what sharks do. According to people who believe in this, who you actually can blame for what happened is the West, especially the Western Allies for abandoning Hungary to the Soviet sphere; of course at that point Trianon was a fresh wound in everyone's mind aswell which also clearly (and unironically) the West was responsible for, this just compounded it.

Honorable 4th line of cope: The energy scare. For the past however many years all these people have heard from every medium imaginable is that if Russia isn't a graceful enough lord to provide us with cheap (lol) gas/oil we'll all just die. Being anti-Russian to these people would be self harm, and seeing as they already have an already declining standard of life under the Orban regime what if it was even worse? What if tomorrow gasoline would cost twice as much? What if you couldn't afford heating? Well, that MIGHT be reality tomorrow and it will all be because of Ukrainians and their silly defensive war!!1!1
 
Last edited:
Had no idea about that, someone should probably archive the tweet in question. What a fucking clown.
HCq0WVwWoAEsDEm.png
Archive.
 
Side note: There were always inherent ethnic tensions between Ukrainians and Hungarians due to the Trianon pains, just as there were with Romanians, Slovaks, Serbs, even before the war broke out, so the real Hungarian chuddy chuds (young and old) would side against the Ukrainians if they were fighting the literal forces of Hell because it's just the standard Hungarian flavour of Central European tribalism that you hate Romanians, Ukes, Slovaks, Romanians, Serbs, just like the average 60 iq guy from any of those countries would have strong feelings against Hungarians (and likely all their other neighbours too).
Trianon really is 'we wuz kangz' in the mouth of Orbán. Austria can be nostalgic in a harmless way for the Habsburgs, while with Orbán it's a pathetic irredentism. I suppose Zelensky when he countered threatened Orbán noted how Trump didn't bother travel to Hungary but sent little Marco the Viceroy of Venezuela. The US is a global hegemon. It has a press of would-be vassals and so a geopolitical slut which is Orbán's Hungary which cannot help share its passions isn't much good. It makes it likely that no great vote manipulation via Musk (who every day gives the impression of not understanding shit about the Euro issues he comments on) to save him.

Zelensky has probably worked out the degree to which the US will be helpful and what space he has without provoking a Starlink / Starshield and US NATO systems cut off. Now the US won't back an IAEA resolution condemning Russia's attack on Ukraine's energy infrastructure. It's silly for Russia mocks Trump in their press and broadcast media. He's an object of contempt for them. Pandering and joining some turd worlders won't bring peace an inch forward.

The United States has joined Russia, China and Niger in opposing a resolution adopted by the board of governors of the UN nuclear regulator condemning attacks on Ukraine's energy infrastructure as a threat to nuclear safety.

Source: Reuters

Details: The resolution adopted by the IAEA Board of Governors on Thursday has been the seventh on Ukraine since Russia invaded the neighbouring country four years ago. This is the first time the United States has voted against such a resolution.

"While we continue supporting the IAEA's work in-country, we do not support the Board's current consideration of an unnecessary resolution that does not help achieve peace between Ukraine and Russia," the US statement to the board before the vote says.

US President Donald Trump has been pressuring Ukraine over the past year to quickly reach a peace deal that could include handing territory to Russia. Ukraine has rejected the possibility of territorial concessions.

Diplomats said the resolution was backed by 20 countries in a closed session, including France, the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, South Africa and Argentina, with 10 countries abstaining and four voting against. Those abstaining included Brazil, Egypt, Morocco and Saudi Arabia.

The wording of the document was less harsh than in previous resolutions.

The text seen by Reuters says the board "reemphasises that attacks targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure for the off-site power ⁠supply of nuclear power plants, including at the ZNPP (Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant), represent a direct threat to nuclear safety and security".

Background: Russia has damaged more than nine GW of generation capacity at thermal power plants, combined heat and power plants and hydroelectric power plants since October 2025. After the attacks, 3.5 GW have now been partially restored.
Ukrainska Pravda (archive)
 
Christmas came early! By the grace of the csodaszarvas harvest has been bountiful and there's plenty of magyarposting to be had, fresh off the oven. This is by far the most interesting happening, I'm genuinely curious what Mariana Trench rock bottom Hungarian-Ukrainian relations will end up at in 72 hours barring literal total war.

I guess this is what "breaking the Ukrainian oil blockade by force" means, returning in spirit to the 1860 American Old West and doing [state sanctioned] stagecoach robberies and ransom kidnappings.

1772760207204.png

TLDR.: Two armored bank transport cars belonging to Oschadbank were traveling between Austria (Raiffeisen Bank was the origin) and Ukraine, as they do when cash is routinely transported. It was between state banks, fully compliant with international customs rules. Hungary decided to just seize its contents and detain the 7 employees onboard for ???, noone knows, no statement made yet by the Hungarian side. There were Sberbank employees involved aswell, there's nothing to be heard about them either.

The two cars were transporting 40 milliion US dollars, 35 million euros, and 9 kilograms of gold. All of this totaling about 30 billion Hungarian Forints. Not a bad score, Orban can buy a few zebras for Hatvanpuszta and a couple more hotels in downtown Budapest for his daughter.

According to Oschadbank's statement the Ukrainian citizen employees are all unreachable and their whereabouts are unknown, the loot according to GPS trackers is at a certain Hungarian security agency's headquarters in Budapest.

In the meantime Szijjártó (the Hungarian FM) is literally fucking soccerposting. You can't make this shit up.
1772760963201.png
 
Last edited:
TLDR.: Two armored bank transport cars belonging to Oschadbank were traveling between Austria (Raiffeisen Bank was the origin) and Ukraine, as they do when cash is routinely transported. It was between state banks, fully compliant with international customs rules. Hungary decided to just seize its contents and detain the 7 employees onboard for ???, noone knows, no statement made yet by the Hungarian side. There were Sberbank employees involved aswell, there's nothing to be heard about them either.
That's fucking insane. Have they lost their damn minds? Now I want to see Orban's shit kicked in for real.
 
Christmas came early! By the grace of the csodaszarvas harvest has been bountiful and there's plenty of magyarposting to be had, fresh off the oven
Just want to say I enjoy the magyarposting and now know a little about the miracle deer legend.
 
Current updates on the Hungarian/Ukrainian cold war:

Radek Sikorski, Poland's Deputy PM has his own theory of what happened and just made one of the most based (and pretty esoteric) jokes possible at Orban's expense. This is not the first time Radek has brought up zebras in relation to Orban, the second pic is from August last year.
1772795314275.png 1772796788181.png
Orban has been building a literal Versailles like palace for himself disguised as an agricultural manor (except unlike Versailles it looks like shit) at Hatvanpuszta. He is also obsessed with certain exotic animals, such as zebras and other African animals like antelopes and buffalos and despite proof of both conventional photography and drone footage about their existence they have always vehemently denied it despite paperwork literally confirming that they brought Zebras to the country; until one day the Zebras mysteriously disappeared, with certain sources reporting that the Zebras have been hunted down and eaten at a party function in a certain hotel owned by an Orbán stooge (Mészáros). Allegedly.

According to Andrii (Ukrainian FM) they literally still were not able to get into contact with the Seven Ukrainian citizens, not even through diplomatic channels like the Ukrainian consulate. Still no explanation at this point provided by the Hungarians, which is like t+11 hours at the time of Andrii posting and close to noon in Hungary.
1772795243182.png

Ukraine's Foreign Ministry has put out a notice advising Ukrainian citizens to not travel to Hungary as they currently cannot guarantee the safety of Ukrainian citizens there. It has also warned Ukrainian businesses about the risk of property being arbitrarily seized and suggests using transit routes that avoid Hungary.
1772796634756.png

Ukraine's FM calls Hungary's actions state banditism and reveals that they were already talking to Hungary earlier this morning during the radio silence and they had a 'list of demands', I think it's highly likely he refers to a literal list and not the "We demand answers" Facebook video from Szijjarto. Andriy Pyshnyy, governor of the National Bank of Ukraine says there's a delegation en route to Hungary to clarify the situation.

1772797192967.png 1772798397524.png
Ukraine's [Ethnically Hungarian] ambassador to Hungary, Sándor Fegyir went to the HQ of the Counter Terrorism agency holding the Ukrainian nationals but was turned away at the front door.


The first statement from Hungary was NOT made by a Hungarian government official but made by the Hungarian IRS (NAV), who claim that they have opened a money-laundering investigation after stopping the two armored cash-transport vehicles. They were intercepted by the Counter Terrorism Centre at a gas station. The Hungarians claim that they have notified the Ukrainian consulate who made no attempts to contact them, and they still haven't heard back from them. [Gee whiz, I wonder what's more likely, the Ukrainians falsely claiming to be trying to contact their citizens for 8 hours, or that they just didn't care enough about it and turned their phones off so they don't have to talk to Szijjarto?]
They also claim that there was a former Ukrainian intelligence general among the employees and an ex Ukrainian Air Forces major.

A bit after NAV, Szijjártó spoke up aswell in a statement and an accompanying Facebook video titled "We demand answers - crazy volume of Ukrainian cash and gold transports". In this he demands answers from Ukraine regarding the Hungarian cash transports, and alleges that it's the money of the "Ukrainian War Mafia". According to him NAV is investigating an "astounding crime" because in the past few months the Ukrainians have transported "bewildering" amounts of cash and gold through Hungary; since January according to the NAV statement 900 million USD, 420 million euro in cash and 146 kilograms of gold. He's also implying that they should have just used a regular old bank transaction, and that the fact that people who can be tied to the Ukrainian secret services were on board implies it was something shady. He also demands answers about what they wanted to do with this money, and if they leave it at Hungary and use it there for someone's benefit [very clearly hinting at the government narrative dominating the propaganda for the past year or so that the opposition, Magyar Péter is directly funded by Ukrainians]
1772795972184.png

Eventually Hungary decided to keep the cash and gold as part of its investigations and decided to expel the seven Ukrainian nationals "supervised by a former general of the Ukrainian Security ⁠Service, with a former major of the ⁠Ukrainian Air Force acting as deputy ⁠and assisted by individuals with military experience" according to the Hungarian government's statement.

On another, I'm sure completely unrelated note;
1772799375075.png
Panyi Szabolcs an investigative journalist with an impeccable track record when it comes to reporting insider information about Russia's influence on the V4 was informed that Putin personally sanctioned an official operation to meddle in the Hungarian elections. Sergei Kiriyenko is in charge of the Hungarian affairs, also responsible for the Moldova fiasco.
Link to article.
 
Last edited:
TLDR.: Two armored bank transport cars belonging to Oschadbank were traveling between Austria (Raiffeisen Bank was the origin) and Ukraine, as they do when cash is routinely transported. It was between state banks, fully compliant with international customs rules. Hungary decided to just seize its contents and detain the 7 employees onboard for ???, noone knows, no statement made yet by the Hungarian side. There were Sberbank employees involved aswell, there's nothing to be heard about them either.

Orbán's gypsy ancestors smile on him with gadjo gold and cash taken. Given the gypo reneged on the agreement over the loan, the open corruption, violation of civilised norms, and now open banditry, hopefully the EU do something concrete. Orbán isn't a high grade Trump client so no need to be spineless. EU political processes are sclerotic, even with recent reforms
 
A zigger blogger confirms this, including "significant damage" for the minesweeper Valentin Pikul:
Black Sea Fleet Zisters....

The funnies: they weren't Hungarians but ethnic Ukrainians, with the exception of a single person who did have actual Hungarian roots. The POW's were constantly starved, tortured, beaten, forced to sing the Russian anthem starting from their 2022 June capture near Lysychansk. One day they were suddenly transferred to Moscow, where they were told that they are now Hungarians and that's what they will tell everyone moving forward and they should, for obvious reasons, never return to Ukraine again. After claiming a false Hungarian ethnicity they were flown to Budapest where they were meant to be housed until the end of war.
AHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Apparently during a meeting an hour ago Zelenskyy said "We hope that one person in the EU will not block 90 billion... otherwise, we will pass this person's address to our Armed Forces - let them contact and communicate with him in their own language." Considering Hungary is the only veto on this, it's not hard to guess who he means.
Fucking based.

Looks like Ukraine has a card to play after all:

Full article (behind paywall).
Yeah I'm VERY curious how this plays out given the plan has been to to get Russia away from china using Ukraine as leverage.

Hopefully Hegseth remembers to say thank you.


In less good news:
1772801030336.png

India is given a license to refine Russian oil for the next 30 days to try to flatten the market spikes. This is a massive life line for Russia. If oil had remained low they were going to have a budget crisis around July and making government pay roll for 2026 was going to be hard.

This isn't going to fix their economy by any stretch, but this means Putin is going to be safe from 5th story windows until 2027 at the earliest.


Positives:
Negatives:
  • Russia likely doesn't even need Iranian help much with its Yelabuga drone factory; as @R00T said, Russian components have been found in the Iranian drones.
  • Spiking oil prices - good for the Russian petrostate.
  • EU now putting pressure on Ukraine restoring the Druzhba pipeline.
  • Tomahawks (which should be ACKing ziggies but aren't) and Patriot launcher interceptor stocks running low. :stress: @Ghostse has made two informative posts (1) and (2), the latter one about the Patriot stocks and how it's not that bad after all for Ukraine.
  • Less Western media attention for Ukraine; a trend since the Gaza War 2023-, which is compounded by millennials and zoomers generally lacking interest.
This is a good break down.

So what do people expect to be the short/long-term knock on effects from Iran getting gangbanged? How much equipment, assistance were they still sending Russia that is now probably on hold for a little while?
Short term: Minimal.
- Russia was getting drone and missile parts from them (and giving Iran Russian GPS modules it seems). But it wasn't massive and its likely existing deliveries will mean no changes in Russian production for probably 4-6 months; the fact these transfers were dodging sanctions means they were infrequent and clandestine, it wasn't a regularly Tueday Morning delivery, so the logistics chain was set up to tolerate a boom-bust cycle.
Even if the supply is cut off and never resumes, the support wasn't massive or game-changing. Russian drone spam is 20% smaller and now happens every 6 weeks instead of every month.
Russia is the larger country and attacking, they can control the rate of their resource consumption and simply save up required numbers of missiles and drones.
- Small but crucial - Russia will get influsions from oil. Europe is almost certainly going to temporarily relax sanctions to keep everything from spiraling. Russia's 2026 budget was looking bleak after Venezuela, but looks like no longer.
- Difficulty of sourcing reloads for Ukraine's patriots. US stocks are very low. Anything not already committed and delivered is going to be axed or never approved/considered. Patriot can interface with other interceptors not just PAC-3s but they will be shorter range and less effective.
Or another way to put that: unless europe parts with more of their stocks, the Ukraine's air defense is going to need to try to conserve their longest-range most powerful interceptor.


Long term: Who knows. Minimal to Yuge.
- IF there is no regime change in Iran, other than Russia getting some temporary influsion of cash, it won't matter long term. Maybe Russia can raise some funds selling arms to Iran as they try to rebuild their armed forces, but both countries are being fucked economically.
- If there is regime change in Iran, Iran exiting sanctions will absolutely crater oil prices due to supply. There will be no need to get """"""""""""""""turkish""""""""""""""""" oil anymore when they can just buy it right from Iran. India was well will likely stop seeing the value upside in risking sanctions from Russian oil. Russia's budget in 2026 will be fine. 2027 might be choppy, but 2028 is going to be absolutely fucked, sans lube of any kind.
- Russia would lose a grey-market proxy. Supplies from china will harder to come by for Russian industry.
- If there is a American goal maximization dream scenario where Iran regime changes to a government that request - nay, DEMANDS - a US Naval and Airbase be establishe in Iran, this will require Russia to redeploy air defense assets to the remote center of the coutnry. this will stretch their air defense even thinner than current, but unless Ukraine gets a massive delivery of aircraft it won't cause a massive shift in the war.

or tl;dr:
Short/immediate term, favors russia.
Mid/long term, we have to see but all signs point to Russia having a bad time.


Despite best Kuwaitian efforts that one looks rather one sided.
Only way that Israel and USA will lose is if they lose interest.
The US/Jew allience has already won. @Astro Galactic Megalul covers it very well. The only question is going to be scale of victory, and that we'll find out in a couple weeks when the Iranian peopel are told "Ok, we're done bombing. You are free to show your goverment how much you love fundamentalist Islam".
Maybe they cuck, maybe they don't.


If Trump was competent he would flood Ukraine with military aid after he's done with Iran, why stop with Venezuela and the Middle East if he could dismantle this entire global anti-Western front?
Because it is almost certain that (sadly) Toppling Russia isn't Trumps goal, isolating China is. I had this as a minor possibility last year but i'm pretty sure this is The Qlan(tm). Trump wants a Russia keeping China contained, not one where China can take Siberia, but also one that is completely done fucking around in/near Europe.
It squares the circle of Trump's tsundere act with them.

We all know this a bad choice and what you 've described is the right move, but that doesn't change that 's the direction the wind seems to be blowing.


Trump is toast in the midterms and will be gone in a few years. Empire America wouldn't last long.
cope harder. The US will only have knock over effects given we secured Venezuela.
Heavy Sour crude is back on the menu, baby. Sucks to be in Europe though.
The only thing people will remember in 6 months is Trump saved israel avenged the Iranian national insult.
They won't remember any specific reasons why Iran is a bunch of terrorists, just that Trump kicked their asses and yeeted Maduro.

It's getting to a stage where gerrymandering (both parties have long done it) won't help much. Not too many voters might worry about International Law, but Iranian and other military adventures won't reduce ever rising prices (inflation figures have for years been meaningless in the West).
It'll lower the cost of oil.

You'd think Europeans would actually support Israel and the USA against Iran since going against a major ally of Russia that manufactures gear for them improves Ukraine's position.
I will shit on the Caliphate of Europistan a lot but in a very real sense its more their normal population.

European governemnts retardedly allowed #FreePalestine to take root in their countries by trying to paint """""""""right wing""""""'"" (lol) parties are being anti-islam, so sucking off islam is good. And allowing their lugenpress to program their populations about "Everything America Does is Iraq".

But there is also a large degree of reality. After four years, finally actually working to throttle Russian energy sales to the continent is leaving their economies in a rather precarious state. UK in particular is really having issues with their defense budget. Participating in Whack-a-Ayatollah is a budgetary strain they are not able to readily absorb, and even if they are able to, it will be reflect negatively on the incumbant party come elections.
And as lesser considerations.
European nations know they need to be ready for Putin to maybe have a big chimp out.
And then god forbid anything bad happen like Kuwaiti sleeper agents going ham on their forces.

France, which is probably at top of the 'magic quadrant' of the "Least Budget Fucked" and "Actually able to deploy combat forces" graph is disinclined because Iran has been a cheap source of oil for them. They are not looking forward to that gravy train ending, though it looks like Macron is at least deploying defensively.

But I'm going to stop there because while I appreciate the calculus of not contributing forces and being miffed they weren't alerted (so they could leak the plans) I'm utterly livid at our Stalwart European Allies for not allowing use of their bases.
 
Last edited:
Double posting because I don't want this being lost in my wall of austism since it might be important soon:

Trump has considered invoking the Defense Production Act, specifically to boost stocks of PAC-3 interceptors.
(Not bothering to quote article because its not paywalled and its exactly what it says on the tin, and you can find other sources saying the same - Trump has investigated invoking Defense Production Act to specifically increase stocks of PAC-3 patriot interceptors.)

I want to explicitly call out:
- Trump has only CONSIDERED this. Its not happened. But its something to watch.
- There is no guarantee that DPA will positively impact Ukraine. I have no fucking clue how it couldn't being if there's more ammo there is more ammo to send Ukraine, but you never know.
- Its more likely defense contractors boost production on their own initiative rather than get Federally Acted upon. If this happens there is lower upside for Ukraine.
- This could potentially delay delivery of Ukraine's air defense order. raytheon may opt to take a delivery delay penalty to meet the US demands, especially if it stops the DPA from being enacted. I don't see that being likely. But again, something to watch for.

For Euros and other unenlightened;
the Defense Production Act also the federal government to temporarily nationalize any industry deemed critical for US military supply. It is essentially a temporary lease on a factory and the US Federal Government take over running the factory.

The US needs to pay for use of the factory and any materials, but they don't pay contrator mark up on any production this way. They would also need to pay license fee. Defense contractors, as you might expect, will take great pains to avoid having this done to them.
 
Orbán isn't a high grade Trump client
High enough to get exceptions from Trump's sanctions on Russian oil (who has also done the needful and lifted them off India, so saars can now afford to shill for based BRICS Russia on X):
India is given a license to refine Russian oil for the next 30 days to try to flatten the market spikes. This is a massive life line for Russia. If oil had remained low they were going to have a budget crisis around July and making government pay roll for 2026 was going to be hard.

This isn't going to fix their economy by any stretch, but this means Putin is going to be safe from 5th story windows until 2027 at the earliest.
 
Current updates on the Hungarian/Ukrainian cold war:

Radek Sikorski, Poland's Deputy PM has his own theory of what happened and just made one of the most based (and pretty esoteric) jokes possible at Orban's expense. This is not the first time Radek has brought up zebras in relation to Orban, the second pic is from August last year.
View attachment 8661673View attachment 8661737
Orban has been building a literal Versailles like palace for himself disguised as an agricultural manor (except unlike Versailles it looks like shit) at Hatvanpuszta. He is also obsessed with certain exotic animals, such as zebras and other African animals like antelopes and buffalos and despite proof of both conventional photography and drone footage about their existence they have always vehemently denied it despite paperwork literally confirming that they brought Zebras to the country; until one day the Zebras mysteriously disappeared, with certain sources reporting that the Zebras have been hunted down and eaten at a party function in a certain hotel owned by an Orbán stooge (Mészáros). Allegedly.

According to Andrii (Ukrainian FM) they literally still were not able to get into contact with the Seven Ukrainian citizens, not even through diplomatic channels like the Ukrainian consulate. Still no explanation at this point provided by the Hungarians, which is like t+11 hours at the time of Andrii posting and close to noon in Hungary.
View attachment 8661668

Ukraine's Foreign Ministry has put out a notice advising Ukrainian citizens to not travel to Hungary as they currently cannot guarantee the safety of Ukrainian citizens there. It has also warned Ukrainian businesses about the risk of property being arbitrarily seized and suggests using transit routes that avoid Hungary.
View attachment 8661730

Ukraine's FM calls Hungary's actions state banditism and reveals that they were already talking to Hungary earlier this morning during the radio silence and they had a 'list of demands', I think it's highly likely he refers to a literal list and not the "We demand answers" Facebook video from Szijjarto. Andriy Pyshnyy, governor of the National Bank of Ukraine says there's a delegation en route to Hungary to clarify the situation.

View attachment 8661746View attachment 8661768
Ukraine's [Ethnically Hungarian] ambassador to Hungary, Sándor Fegyir went to the HQ of the Counter Terrorism agency holding the Ukrainian nationals but was turned away at the front door.


The first statement from Hungary was NOT made by a Hungarian government official but made by the Hungarian IRS (NAV), who claim that they have opened a money-laundering investigation after stopping the two armored cash-transport vehicles. They were intercepted by the Counter Terrorism Centre at a gas station. The Hungarians claim that they have notified the Ukrainian consulate who made no attempts to contact them, and they still haven't heard back from them. [Gee whiz, I wonder what's more likely, the Ukrainians falsely claiming to be trying to contact their citizens for 8 hours, or that they just didn't care enough about it and turned their phones off so they don't have to talk to Szijjarto?]
They also claim that there was a former Ukrainian intelligence general among the employees and an ex Ukrainian Air Forces major.

A bit after NAV, Szijjártó spoke up aswell in a statement and an accompanying Facebook video titled "We demand answers - crazy volume of Ukrainian cash and gold transports". In this he demands answers from Ukraine regarding the Hungarian cash transports, and alleges that it's the money of the "Ukrainian War Mafia". According to him NAV is investigating an "astounding crime" because in the past few months the Ukrainians have transported "bewildering" amounts of cash and gold through Hungary; since January according to the NAV statement 900 million USD, 420 million euro in cash and 146 kilograms of gold. He's also implying that they should have just used a regular old bank transaction, and that the fact that people who can be tied to the Ukrainian secret services were on board implies it was something shady. He also demands answers about what they wanted to do with this money, and if they leave it at Hungary and use it there for someone's benefit [very clearly hinting at the government narrative dominating the propaganda for the past year or so that the opposition, Magyar Péter is directly funded by Ukrainians]
View attachment 8661679

Eventually Hungary decided to keep the cash and gold as part of its investigations and decided to expel the seven Ukrainian nationals "supervised by a former general of the Ukrainian Security ⁠Service, with a former major of the ⁠Ukrainian Air Force acting as deputy ⁠and assisted by individuals with military experience" according to the Hungarian government's statement.

On another, I'm sure completely unrelated note;
View attachment 8661789
Panyi Szabolcs an investigative journalist with an impeccable track record when it comes to reporting insider information about Russia's influence on the V4 was informed that Putin personally sanctioned an official operation to meddle in the Hungarian elections. Sergei Kiriyenko is in charge of the Hungarian affairs, also responsible for the Moldova fiasco.
Link to article.
I have strong suspicion that Russians could be involved. I wouldn't be surprised if it was done with the hands of Russian special forces with Orban's full cooperation. I could be wrong, but at this point anything goes.

Either way, this seems to be Orban's hail mary in the face of upcoming elections. I hope he pays for this dearly.
Their "investigation" is straight out of Kremlin playbook. Of course there's a chance Ukrainian guys are up to something shady, but I'm more inclined to believe that it's Hungary.

For other news, this happened:
1772807985417.png

The claim is that this isn't in fact a fat check for Putin, because it's only for "stranded oil". I'm not sure what to believe here (I think it's bullshit).
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom