💬 Off-Topic The Troon-to-ruin pipeline - Or: Why your community should always be anti-trans

[Fucker Carlson]

Some communities that come to mind are GDQ and Minecraft

five nights at freddy's, IDK which one got fucked worse, the franchise or the community

 

[The Projects]

In all seriousness, I think that New Vegas can't really be co-opted by troons at this stage because the Gamebryo engine uses human souls for processing power. I can't even begin to count the number of projects that have been started, put on hiatus, and inevitably cancelled from the sheer strain of using one of the worst development kits in recorded history. That, or due to the extremely apolitical nature of FNV, there is no dominant ideological community(See: Sneedclave revolt and Fallout: The Frontier backlash)

New Vegas and old school Fallout can't be trooned because trannies are midwits who can't understand good storytelling. All games made in the mold of OG Fallout are designed to be multi-layered complex non-linear worlds without a definite, guaranteed storyline, and not even really a main character per se. What I mean by that is that there is no set of highly marketable characters with WACKY PERSONALITIES to follow; you have a main character, but the character can be whatever you want, there's no definite personality. This may seem counter-intuitive given how obsessed trannies are with modifying and personalizing stuff, but the truth is they actually just want to be spoonfed the things they like, which is why they jump for joy when they see trannies in media, they could never comprehend the idea of simply roleplaying a tranny without it being made explicitly clear that they are a tranny.

Also, the games are designed to make you feel small, and you only get to see the greater impact of your actions at the very end. Delayed gratification is poison to trannies, also the fact that Fallout New Vegas is fucking ass ugly is another plus in its favor. Old school Fallout is also ugly, but in a deliberate stylized way meant to accentuate the terrible state of the wasteland. Either way, MTF trannies don't like this, ironically I would be willing to bet that poons, gays and lesbians are probably the largest swathe of OG Fallout fans on the faggot spectrum. Hell, Timmy Cain himself is gay.

Point being, MTFs, the vast majority of trannies, like games that make them feel like special princesses with lots of amazing funny, bombastic, off the wall friends! They don't like scary dirty impersonal worlds that make them question the morality of all parties involved. They want to be the hero, they could never understand what it's like to be a humble mailman shot in the head. Ironic given that they are all male men, destined to shoot themselves in the head.

 

[Sneak 'n' Snore]

To me SCP will always be thing where I'm most surprised how troons latched as badly onto it as they did.
It has none of the anime aesthetics that usually attract them and no opportunities for the narcissists to show off either, SCP is largely a collaborative writing effort about a sterile, somewhat morally ambiguous foundation that researches anomalous objects and entities.
And this simple opportunity to write fictitious little stories and entries where anything could happen, was enough to draw them in and let them bastardize everything because these people are talentless leeches, on top of always having to make things about themselves.
Take that as the ultimate cautionary example that nothing is safe from them.

 

[Fucker Carlson]

sea of thieves, the battlefield franchise, and COD are some other ones

 

[Easterling]

Regrettably they managed to subvert battletech

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Back in 2020, a writer named Michael B. Tager wrote a few tweets about his time at a dive bar in his native Baltimore.

While he was enjoying an after work beer he noticed the bartender booting out a seemingly quiet patron. This patron was wearing a jacket covered in Nazi symbolism.

When Tager asked about why he booted the guy, the bartender, a seasoned pro, said that if you let one Nazi in, slowly they replace the clientele.

“You have to nip it in the bud immediately,” he said, as Trager paraphrased. “These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after a while, they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.”

“And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh *****, this is a Nazi bar now,” he continued. ”And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.”

Good analogy to use here, but there's no fucking way this actually happened. That's some "and everyone clapped" shit.

This dude did not watch a guy with a bunch of swastikas all over his jacket get kicked out of a bar then go up and ask the bartender why he kicked him out, then the bartender gave him a big speech on the dangers of allowing le hecking hate in your spaces.

If a full-blown neo-nazi wearing an SS uniform gets kicked out of a bar and you go up and confront the management about it they'd just tell you to go sit back down or get kicked out yourself.

Every time I've seen the nazi bar theory invoked online it's always just been an excuse to purge all vaguely right wing people from a space and enforce ideological purity in the opposite direction.

 

[Troon Meet Noose]

Good analogy to use here, but there's no fucking way this actually happened. That's some "and everyone clapped" shit.

This dude did not watch a guy with a bunch of swastikas all over his jacket get kicked out of a bar then go up and ask the bartender why he kicked him out, then the bartender gave him a big speech on the dangers of allowing le hecking hate in your spaces.

If a full-blown neo-nazi wearing an SS uniform gets kicked out of a bar and you go up and confront the management about it they'd just tell you to go sit back down or get kicked out yourself.

Every time I've seen the nazi bar theory invoked online it's always just been an excuse to purge all vaguely right wing people from a space and enforce ideological purity in the opposite direction.

Yes, the trannies use the story to ostracize anyone who they don't like. They're manipulative assholes who use every trick in the book to get what they want.

And I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever seen a person in real life wearing nazi symbols. Maybe if it was some sort of right wing rally but it's certainly not something you'll see very often.

 

[Severed Penis Klinic]

OP, are you familiar with Entryism? It is basically how leftists enter, subvert and take over organizations. It sounds like what you are writing about is essentially troon entryism.

 

[JohnnyG]

the most straightforward fix is to simply be anti-trans. If you don't invite the beast in, it won't harm you

Some communities that come to mind are GDQ and Minecraft

Robert Conquest's Laws (#2 in particular):
1. Everyone is conservative about what he knows best (shitlibs evicting illegals from Martha's Vineyard)
2. Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing (via Entryism as @Severed Penis Klinic mentions)
3. The simplest way to explain the behaviour of a bureaucratic organization is to assume it's controlled by a cabal of its enemies (game studios uglifying beloved franchises)

I would reckon that a lot of these communities that get wrecked were all left-leaning hives to beginning with.

Not necessarily, see Conquest's 2nd Law. Take a video game startup where everyone who joins helps engineer the game. Once it gets big enough, it adds layers of people who don't directly work on the institution's mission, but instead work on managing the organization itself.

People with no ties to the original mission are attracted, and spend all their time pushing to change everything, while the original members who "just want to grill" spend their time focused on the mission. And suddenly you have a sprawling HR dictatorship putting obese DEIs in senior positions over the competent engineers trying to keep things working.

 

[Angry Shoes]

enshittified

Reddit word

 

[Dreamland]

Dave knows a lot about Sonichu's Grand Adventure as well, but unlike Amanda, he has a job, and can't always be around to maintain the peace. As such, the decision is clear.

Bingo.
Those that have no job and infinite time have the most resources to scheme and conspire to rot a community from within.
In a perfect world a proof of employment upon joining would go a long way to prevent this.
Being on bennies is ok, but you need to stay in the quarantine then.

 

[Otterly]

The same happens in workplaces. You let these people get a foot in HR and it’s game over. You’re drowning in ally ship talks and ERGs within a month

 

[Lip Glossary]

The horror genre in general. So many fucking troons and poons have ruined a once fun community, and video games like dead by daylight who cater specifically to these freaks certainly aren't helping anything.
I actually saw a troon raging about the new Hellraiser game trailer because it features a straight white couple fucking. Their reasoning? Clive Barker is apparently an uncle Tom for portraying straight people in the game.
I guess when you're gay apparently the unspoken rule is that everything you create has to be gay. Which is actually the way that most lgbts are, they let their sexuality be the entirety of their personality and it's irritating and exhausting.

 

[GratsTheat783]

I've heard it happen the other way round as well, with normal spaces becoming far-right. A lot of people can see this from a mile off, but don't want to be the one who picks up the pitchfork due to how it could be perceived in the group, especially if the mods aren't doing anything. It's best to keep small friend groups with strict control as to who can get in or not and put those into moderator position who have a willingness to deal with those who don't follow the rules.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Not necessarily, see Conquest's 2nd Law. Take a video game startup where everyone who joins helps engineer the game. Once it gets big enough, it adds layers of people who don't directly work on the institution's mission, but instead work on managing the organization itself.

People with no ties to the original mission are attracted, and spend all their time pushing to change everything, while the original members who "just want to grill" spend their time focused on the mission. And suddenly you have a sprawling HR dictatorship putting obese DEIs in senior positions over the competent engineers trying to keep things working.

Usually when it comes to corporations, the initial problem is always going to be the money guy, either someone hired to make money, or someone that the lender approved, or someone who works with the lender in some way. Atari's friction with upper management happened after they sold out to Warner Communications. On a longer scale, this happens with CEOs and you start to recognize a pattern.
1. The Original CEO who built the company and makes it a success.
2. The lesser Successor CEO who could never live up to his predecessor's legacy but still understands the organization and its goals.
3. The Power CEO who expands heavily and loses sight of the original mission. He sees the Successor CEO as the template, not the Original CEO. This is where things go haywire.

At this point you have diverging choices, either the Hatchet Man who tries to save the company if it went too far, or the Trust Fund CEO if it was a success. The Trust Fund CEO was not there when #1 or #2 was there, and has no idea of the company's original mission and goals. He only sees the balance books positive and doesn't see the massive bloat under the surface. Most of the "successful" companies these days are Trust Fund CEOs. And at this point, you either Trust Fund CEOs (bad) or Hatchet Man CEOs (very bad), neither of which are working for the company's best interest. If a Trust Fund CEO doesn't succeed a Hatchet Man CEO and his work you get the Vulture CEO. This is the end game as the Vulture CEO is solely in it for the money that can be extracted and cares nothing for the company, its brand, or its welfare.

Most of the successful globohomo companies get Trust Fund CEOs, content to ride on the inertia the first three built up, but it comes at a terrible price.

However, in this specific case we're talking about online communities, which follow a notedly different trajectory that still ends in tragedy.

Good analogy to use here, but there's no fucking way this actually happened. That's some "and everyone clapped" shit.

I'm pretty sure what actually happened was that this was a story that got related second or third hand, but what actually happened was that it was a homosexual that got thrown out. (After all, who's heard of a "Nazi bar"? I don't think those actually exist outside of the fantasies of liberal media's heads), and the "gay" part of the story got replaced with "Nazi" to make the owner more sympathetic.

“You have to nip it in the bud immediately,” he said, as Trager paraphrased. “These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after a while, they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.”

“And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh *****, this is a gay bar now,” he continued. ”And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.”

See how much more sense it makes now?

 

[Troon Meet Noose]

The other thing troons do in communities is push for a set of rules or code of conduct under the guise of "keeping people safe". Who wouldn't want to make sure people are safe? So the leaders agree to it.

But then the troons will make sure that gender identity is included in those rules. It would be transphobic to not include it. After that it's game over because the troons will boot anyone out for not following their ideology because they're not following the rules and they're not safe.

 

[Joy Jay]

I've heard it happen the other way round as well, with normal spaces becoming far-right.

I literally cannot think of a single example where an apolitical space became right wing, at least not in this way. The closest examples I can think of is this forum and Twitter, but this forum is only this way because all the trannies who would've subverted it tried destroying it instead because it wasn't sweeping for them, and Twitter didn't really become right wing so much as it stopped becoming explicitly left wing after a buyout from Elon Musk. There's still plenty of leftist on Twitter and there are even a few threads on here that are inhabited by leftists, meanwhile, on spaces that were subverted by the left, there's zero tolerance for any kind of thought outside there own.

 

[Lei Wulong's Left Leg]

sea of thieves, the battlefield franchise, and COD are some other ones

I'm going to disagree slightly with Sea of Thieves, but only because it was my pandemic game. SoT's divided into two halves, the PvE and girlcock-sucking side that's supported by the community managers, and the Based PvP Side that's slowly leaving the game because the new updates are all shit. Sure, the in-game Merchant's Alliance NPC based on a real-life intern was changed into man to reflect the intern's transition, but nobody really cared that much anyway because nobody actually talks to the Merchant Alliance any more.
Sea of Thieves' decline has less to do with trannyism and more to do with the developers being retards who don't know which crowd to cater to.

 

[Skitarii]

Reddit word

Nigger

 

[JohnnyG]

However, in this specific case we're talking about online communities, which follow a notedly different trajectory that still ends in tragedy.

I agree with your scenarios about how second/third CEOs brought in to "normalize" the business often lack the vision the original one had, but I don't think this is the same phenomenon as Leftist Entryism. The latter happens to all kinds of institutions, including online communities, hobby groups, non-profits, etc.

Once such a group grows beyond a flat org where everyone involved is working on "the mission", you either make it explicitly right-wing and gatekeep, or you have entry points for leftists not aligned with the mission, and who can spend all their time and effort in an asymmetrical push to dictate how the org works (while the aligned people are busy doing "the mission").

I literally cannot think of a single example where an apolitical space became right wing
Twitter didn't really become right wing so much as it stopped becoming explicitly left wing after a buyout from Elon Musk

Twitter is a private company / monarchy, where the guy making all the rules has a fierce dedication to free speech. And he still has to actively intervene from time to time when his underlings get censorship-happy.

By making one of its explicit aims open discussion, elevated above profit or shareholder/"stakeholder" return, he's kept it from becoming another Faceberg/pReddit/etc cesspool.