Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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So with the Ukrainian War lasting longer than the WW2 with russian including their little dalliance with Poland, can we finally say NATO equipment is better than Warsaw equipment or are slavaboos still going to cope?
 
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So with the Ukrainian War Lasting longer than the WW2 with russian including their little dalliance with Poland, can we finally say NATO equipment is better than Warsaw equipment or a slavaboos still going to cope?
It has proven every cold war NATO doctrine right and wrong at the same time. Unlimited spam works just leads to more busted metal and trench warfare apparently
 
The main thing that I've learned is that the average person easily falls back on old hollywood cliches rather than taking a serious look at how each piece of kit is used and how doctrine, practice, and implementation intermesh.
 
So with the Ukrainian War lasting longer than the WW2 with russian including their little dalliance with Poland, can we finally say NATO equipment is better than Warsaw equipment or are slavaboos still going to cope?
If anything, it seems to have proven yet again that in not all but many cases, having enough equipment and trained bodies to perform a given task at the rate and volume required by the objective is much more important than the specific quality of that equipment past a certain point of acceptability. Again, not all but many situations are like this. Quality of things like vehicles and munitions become moot if you don't have enough suitable AFVs to rotate positions, or EW sets, or any other piece if equipment you can think of. Something like a Bradley or Patriot battery being really well designed only goes so far.

I'm still not sure that equals proof that all current NATO doctrine is useless, since both sides of the war are so thoroughly starved by now. We're still watching the metaphorical equivalent of a senile grandfather trying to snuff his pre-pubescent grandson and the fight has gone 15 rounds already. Realistically the trickle of basic munitions, spare ground systems, and end-of-life high end weapons, isn't close to NATO's best by a long shot either. So ultimately if you are trying to look at the Ukraine war as a silver bullet for one set of powers or the other, I think you are setting yourself up for an ignorant conclusion either way.

There is a set of complex and humbling lessons NATO needs to learn from the war in Ukraine, but it isn't neccessarily something that can just be summed up by 'more drones' or 'better attrition'.
 
If anything, it seems to have proven yet again that in not all but many cases, having enough equipment and trained bodies to perform a given task at the rate and volume required by the objective is much more important than the specific quality of that equipment past a certain point of acceptability. Again, not all but many situations are like this. Quality of things like vehicles and munitions become moot if you don't have enough suitable AFVs to rotate positions, or EW sets, or any other piece if equipment you can think of. Something like a Bradley or Patriot battery being really well designed only goes so far.

I'm still not sure that equals proof that all current NATO doctrine is useless, since both sides of the war are so thoroughly starved by now. We're still watching the metaphorical equivalent of a senile grandfather trying to snuff his pre-pubescent grandson and the fight has gone 15 rounds already. Realistically the trickle of basic munitions, spare ground systems, and end-of-life high end weapons, isn't close to NATO's best by a long shot either. So ultimately if you are trying to look at the Ukraine war as a silver bullet for one set of powers or the other, I think you are setting yourself up for an ignorant conclusion either way.

There is a set of complex and humbling lessons NATO needs to learn from the war in Ukraine, but it isn't neccessarily something that can just be summed up by 'more drones' or 'better attrition'.
One also has to remember that this conflict unfolded in a manner that nobody expected it to become. Russia expected a quick police action done by a relatively small elite force to Kiev and getting what they wanted by occupying the intact city in a fast manner, akin to what they already managed to do in January in Kazakhstan that same year. USA expected Ukraine to fall apart within days and their plan of a heavily dispersed military becoming a massive partisan force that would then turn this into Operation Cyclone 2.0 while sanctions would instantly implode the whole Russian economy. Ukraine expected a swift rescue from the West and then being able to do Desert Storm tier offenses with the most hyped pieces of kit in the whole conflict.

Instead, everyone gets a grinding unpleasant conflict where the only true winner is China.
 
Instead, everyone gets a grinding unpleasant conflict where the only true winner is China
This. The supreme retardation of white people grinding themselves to hamburger in Europe all the while jeets, chinks and skinnies are running ever more wild across the civilized world is insane.

I really think Putin is a idiot here. Doesn't want to fully commit and end this war by pushing into kiev in force but doesn't want to look incompetent and be happy with what gains he's got so far so it's continue on this slow human grinder in eastern Ukraine turning more of his dwindling population into hamburger and invalids.
 
This. The supreme retardation of white people grinding themselves to hamburger in Europe all the while jeets, chinks and skinnies are running ever more wild across the civilized world is insane.

I really think Putin is a idiot here. Doesn't want to fully commit and end this war by pushing into kiev in force but doesn't want to look incompetent and be happy with what gains he's got so far so it's continue on this slow human grinder in eastern Ukraine turning more of his dwindling population into hamburger and invalids.
The people who actually do run the show in Kiev also are under the belief that they can get 1991 borders any day now if they just keep on persisting when it's pretty apparent that their biofuel tanks are running pretty dry. Vlad at least doesn't have to resort to pressganging random people off the street to plug holes of the frontline so he'll likely win a pyhirric victory, even if it's by instead hiring desperate people from -stan countries to be his foreign legionaires.
 
This. The supreme retardation of white people grinding themselves to hamburger in Europe all the while jeets, chinks and skinnies are running ever more wild across the civilized world is insane.

I really think Putin is a idiot here. Doesn't want to fully commit and end this war by pushing into kiev in force but doesn't want to look incompetent and be happy with what gains he's got so far so it's continue on this slow human grinder in eastern Ukraine turning more of his dwindling population into hamburger and invalids.
I don't think Russia made any signifcant gains after Wagner aside from successfully tard-wrangling North Koreans to regain Kursk. This shit could be over by now.
 
I don't think Russia made any signifcant gains after Wagner aside from successfully tard-wrangling North Koreans to regain Kursk. This shit could be over by now.
Uhhhhh no.

Russia has been almost continually taking territory in Ukraine since late 2023.

It's been insanely costly and it's literally a few hundred meters (usually) a day but they're advancing and taking villages, towns and small cities.
 
Uhhhhh no.

Russia has been almost continually taking territory in Ukraine since late 2023.

It's been insanely costly and it's literally a few hundred meters (usually) a day but they're advancing and taking villages, towns and small cities.
have the gains been as consequential as Bakhmut though? I stopped following this shit right before the Kursk incursion
 
have the gains been as consequential as Bakhmut though? I stopped following this shit right before the Kursk incursion
Yes, nothing quite as big but holy shiiiiittt you're literally a year + out of date.

Give this:


And this:



A careful read.

Absolutely fascinating. He's an ex US Army and USMC infantryman who talks about "Meat for the Canons" on both sides and the best and worse offensive actions in the war from Feb 2022 till roughly late 2025.

For a semi reasonably unbiased mapping recap (ugh)


Enjoy

According to this, this is the first time Ukraine has taken more territory than Russia in almost 9 months.
 
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According to this, this is the first time Ukraine has taken more territory than Russia in almost 9 months.
One does have to remember that while Russia had to swap doctrines from the BTG model back to the Soviet model of divisions and corps, they also are conducting what essentially amounts to classic echelon defense that's textbook Deep Battle. They are willing to let spearheads penetrate if it means the enemy spearhead can be stopped, enveloped and then destroyed with vicious counter-attacks and overwhelming firepower of the artillery.
 
AH-64 now getting sweet sweet 30mm proxy fused ammo
I'd expect more prox-fuzes for lots of autocannons these days because gun-based AA is now something everyone's gonna be wanting in great numbers. And since the same ammo should be compatible with both the ADEN and DEFA cannons, the fighter's gun gets a new lease in life as a relevant tool for the times.
 
It could already do this, no?
Yeah, but this works better-er. Impact fuses mean some percentage of fragmentation and blast effect is always going into the ground or some other barrier instead of the enemy. Smart fuses mean you can tailor the round for the target and get maximum fragmentation when attacking spread out troops, delayed detonation for effects past barriers and vehicles, and proximity detonation against airborne targets, potentially all in one round.

News tax, F-16s did separation testing with the Stand-in Attack Weapon in December:


LockMart has also publicized a new modular undersea drone that waits on the sea floor and/or hitches rides on ships and subs, recharges itself at sea, and then detaches to deliver various drones/torpedoes/decoys, and also surfaces and acts as an undersea-to-airspace communictaion link.


(warning, cringe promo video)

Raytheon Coyote drones have been tested using an unknown EW system to down swarms of small drones non-kinetically. My money is on a reaplication of the CHAMP technology.

 
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Apparently, Rostec has announced the introduction of 30 mm proximity fuze rounds for the 2A42 cannon which are apparently already in use on the Russo-Ukrainian war. Time will tell if it's actually any good.

The way it's translated reads as "programmed shells" aka the shell is programmed with a set detonation distance vs having a little radar or laser fuse in the nose.
 
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