🌟 Internet Famous Turkey Tom / TomDark / @NotATurkey / TomDarkLive / anonbirdd / Thomas Larry Hanson - KiwiTuber, "Her Prostate" enjoyer, chronic shitstirrer, Destiny worshipper, pronouns respecter, Mr.Beast bootlicker, serial cheater, cuck, Kiwi Farms induced erectile dysfunction

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WeWuzChudz said:
They need to leak everything short of revenge porn. What else is there left to lose? Why not take Tom down with you?
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I'm sure it will be very damning of TT and men everywhere, and definitely not a thousand instances of them goldigging and thirst-trapping while begging to get nightraped.
 
Listening to Josh now, he is doing a familiar shuffle people dance to try to weasel out of being totally, completely wrong. He downplays his editorial interest in the story, saying he was just a neutral platform, despite actively stating how 'normal' Rowan seemed, which leant to her credibility. He did not question them skeptically (in even obvious ways), and has been repeatedly derisive toward people who cast doubt upon their allegations. He was, I would say, almost gleeful at the veracity of these allegations at the time, and now that he is proven demonstrably wrong in this, he is retreating to sad sack moralizing over Tom's sexual decisions.

When I say sad sack moralizing, I mean a variety of crybullying, where on the one hand you make a strong moral judgement, and on the other you make a sort of whine that nobody is quite as moral as you and there for with reject your incredibly pious judgement, wrongly. An example:

I will continue to interview people and I think Tom is on track to fuck his entire life up for literally no reason. Regardless of what you believe, people will use this shit against him forever, because that's how the Internet works. What you believe is subjective to how much you like someone. That's called confirmation bias and it's the reality of the human mind. If he thinks this is bad he should consider what he's doing. I've been hearing the same shit because of blockland forum posts for 18 years. When it comes to online reputations, there is no reality, only perceptions. Turkey Tom, Sam Hyde, and Destiny will all permanently have to deal with long term consequences due to bad penis decisions in completely and totally unforced errors.

I'm objectively right. I'm so completely in the right that I don't care how many people I piss off saying I am in the right. The issue with me being so in the right is that right now there's this fucking obnoxious gender sperg bullshit that has permeated everything. There is nothing, literally nothing, that is free from "MUH WHORES" discourse. It's ruined the forum and everything I enjoy. I can't even do Jerry Springer slapfights with exes anymore without it being some politically charged gender war issue that I have to take a stance on.

But I'm right. I'd rather the entire site implode and Turkey Tom make some crybaby retaliation video calling me a gay pedophile than cuck out and be like "nah keep smashing that bpd box bro you're a king nice cock btw".
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Here you see very clearly the stubborn nihilism, which many of us appreciate at times. But you must understand the underlying psychology. Though this stubbornness is often beneficial, and can be viewed as bravery in the face of adversity, in this case it is clear it comes from a place of public embarrassment, injured status. To cope with making a misstep, especially on the heels of bragging about his intellectual prowess as an interviewer, he is shifting the center of the issue to his personal moral judgement, doubling down on that, and then saying essentially "I am willing to die on this hill" to lend an air of nobility to the whole thing, and to elicit sympathy from you, the reader.

Though he presents it very clinically, Josh's response to Tom is just his subtle reframing of the issue, to continue to cast shade on Tom, while exculpating himself. As I said before, he downplays his editorial interest, which is obvious even in this comment I have quoted here, and from many comments on his podcast, that demonstrate a strong opinion on whatever gender issue you would like to call this. The effect of repeating "I am right" is essentially a verbal version of putting your fingers in your ears and squeezing your eyes shut, rather than addressing the obvious failure of his bias on this issue, and acknowledging the wisdom of his detractors who were skeptical from the beginning.

He continues to represent details of tom's response in the most sinister light possible, such as his "blackmail folder" which if one were being charitable, would be easy to pass off as a celebrity keeping records for this exact situation, proving that keeping such records was not sinister and in fact rather brilliant. Because there is no more information about this folder than what we have, it is possible to still dunk on tom indirectly, and therefor win back some face, by simply implying impropriety.

Given the two, I much prefer to listen to a Josh podcast, but one has to give credit to Tom for being extremely safe and organized in his reporting on things. The fiery temperament and constant mistakes Josh makes, are the cost of more entertainment.

Thank you for reading my essay, it feels good to relieve myself of those thoughts, and now I can forget them. That is the power of writing!
 
Fake News Anchor said:
I'm sure it will be very damning of TT and men everywhere, and definitely not a thousand instances of them goldigging and thirst-trapping while begging to get nightraped.
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That was kind of my point, they would of dumped everything from the jump if they could really bury him, the only reason to hold back info is to try profit on it later.
 
This whole situation just strengthens my belief about every single one of these pedo / assault flamewars; accusers who'd rather gain societal sympathy over legal consequences aren't trying to seek justice. I don't like being that guy to say "why didnt she report it when it happened?", but in a hypothetical scenario where the accusations are true, why wouldn't she go after him in a civil suit? Shit, she could've submitted an anonymous tip to DHS. Beyond the dogshit empty evidence, she reeks of a retarded middle schooler mindset.

But like others have pointed out, Tom is also a retard for pursuing this relationship. He might be smart in keeping receipts, but he's dogshit interacting with society in anyway beyond his camera.
 
Greatest Gonger said:
Given the two, I much prefer to listen to a Josh podcast, but one has to give credit to Tom for being extremely safe and organized in his reporting on things. The fiery temperament and constant mistakes Josh makes, are the cost of more entertainment.
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A sign of this is how careful and on eggshells Tom is every second of his response, and even in his text exchanges with Rowan and Katie, to the point where it makes him look suspicious. Meanwhile, Null repeatedly goes "Tom never addresses the FACT that he did [claim from Rowan/Katie]" which is legally unadvisable when you're talking about allegations. It's a gay technicality, but it's a small mistake he's probably only making because of how audibly animated he is about all of it, tripping over his words, losing his breath, etc. When is Null ever this adamant about anything else? Usually, his approach is a lot more "cooler heads prevail," even with more serious allegations.
 
CrunkLord420 said:
My eyes roll every time anyone says the word "age-play" because it's an utterly meaningless statement. Like trying to call him a pedophile, or even a lolicon, but without actually doing so. We're getting so spurious that people are complaining that the whore Rowan presumably would call him daddy while she got railed. Oh no he knew a girl who had a poster or something. Fuck that. People just keep using the term "age play" because there's no real accusation to be made.
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You know, between defending age-play, and how much you've sperged about how much you hate women, I'm starting to think there might be something you're not telling us here.
 
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Thingamajigga Bob said:
A sign of this is how careful and on eggshells Tom is every second of his response, and even in his text exchanges with Rowan and Katie, to the point where it makes him look suspicious. Meanwhile, Null repeatedly goes "Tom never addresses the FACT that he did [claim from Rowan/Katie]" which is legally unadvisable when you're talking about allegations. It's a gay technicality, but it's a small mistake he's probably only making because of how audibly animated he is about all of it, tripping over his words, losing his breath, etc. When is Null ever this adamant about anything else? Usually, his approach is a lot more "cooler heads prevail," even with more serious allegations.
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I think Josh is actually rather easily angered and agitated, and the "cooler heads prevail" persona is another clever public defensive mechanism, part of preserving the appearance of intelligence. This is not to say I doubt his intelligence, but as the man himself says, all perception online is fabricated, and the cleverest among them carefully craft it. Tom does it too, and it was interesting when they were on better terms to hear them talk shop about it. In fact, funnily enough I am almost certain it was Tom who inspired Josh to take monetizing his platform more seriously.
 
Thingamajigga Bob said:
A sign of this is how careful and on eggshells Tom is every second of his response, and even in his text exchanges with Rowan and Katie, to the point where it makes him look suspicious. Meanwhile, Null repeatedly goes "Tom never addresses the FACT that he did [claim from Rowan/Katie]" which is legally unadvisable when you're talking about allegations. It's a gay technicality, but it's a small mistake he's probably only making because of how audibly animated he is about all of it, tripping over his words, losing his breath, etc. When is Null ever this adamant about anything else? Usually, his approach is a lot more "cooler heads prevail," even with more serious allegations.
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Yknow, i have to ask since i have no idea, whats the beef between Null and Tom exactly? Did Tom kill his Dog or something? Forget about animated, it felt like Null was gasping for air during the stream, besides the interview being hosted (and him giving credibility to the BPD sisters). Did i miss some massive sperg out story between those two? Were they best buddies at some point? Because holy hell is he invested for some weird reason. This feels extremely personal.
 
Wait, has nobody posted Josh's response yet? I didn't see it anywhere. I'm too lazy to go through his livestream to find the where it starts (yes I know it's literally timestamped) but I'm guessing he's not monetized anyways.


By all accounts at the time my interview was extraordinarily professional and I did a very good job of handling a sensitive topic
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Dextix LT said:
Yknow, i have to ask since i have no idea, whats the beef between Null and Tom exactly? Did Tom kill his Dog or something? Forget about animated, it felt like Null was gasping for air during the stream, besides the interview being hosted (and him giving credibility to the BPD sisters). Did i miss some massive sperg out story between those two? Were they best buddies at some point? Because holy hell is he invested for some weird reason. This feels extremely personal.
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Null doesn't like Thomas the Turk all that much since he commonly plagiarizes the Farms and doesn't credit threads/authors when he uses them as source material when making videos on cows
 
Dextix LT said:
Yknow, i have to ask since i have no idea, whats the beef between Null and Tom exactly? Did Tom kill his Dog or something? Forget about animated, it felt like Null was gasping for air during the stream, besides the interview being hosted (and him giving credibility to the BPD sisters). Did i miss some massive sperg out story between those two? Were they best buddies at some point? Because holy hell is he invested for some weird reason.
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null spent a decade constantly getting shit on by governments and institutions all around the world for running this site
meanwhile youtubers like tom who rip content from the site get rich and famous off the fruits of nulls labor without suffering or sacrificing anything, and they don't even pay respects or give shoutouts to the site
no wonder that there's some resentment there tbh
 
Dextix LT said:
Yknow, i have to ask since i have no idea, whats the beef between Null and Tom exactly? Did Tom kill his Dog or something? Forget about animated, it felt like Null was gasping for air during the stream, besides the interview being hosted (and him giving credibility to the BPD sisters). Did i miss some massive sperg out story between those two? Were they best buddies at some point? Because holy hell is he invested for some weird reason. This feels extremely personal.
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If I had to guess it’s probably hard to believe they’re lying 100 percent because they came off as extremely credible during the interview and didn’t seem malicious. It plays into the he she she said divide I mentioned earlier. Tom looks like a Bulgarian back alley rapist that laces girls drinks in a bar when they aren’t looking so when people call him a rapist disbelieving it becomes difficult just because some screenshots that may not even be real were displayed in a response video. The girls could have also provided fake text screenshots if that matters. Faking texts literally takes 60 seconds geg.
 
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Dextix LT said:
Yknow, i have to ask since i have no idea, whats the beef between Null and Tom exactly? Did Tom kill his Dog or something? Forget about animated, it felt like Null was gasping for air during the stream, besides the interview being hosted (and him giving credibility to the BPD sisters). Did i miss some massive sperg out story between those two? Were they best buddies at some point? Because holy hell is he invested for some weird reason. This feels extremely personal.
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That Tom monetizes the farms, the same reason he hated Metokur. On top of that, as much as Null complains about the “gender war shit” he is firmly in one camp and gets mad if anyone says that sometimes women also lie and when he gets BTFO’d over it
 
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DumbDude43 said:
null spent a decade constantly getting shit on by governments and institutions all around the world for running this site
meanwhile youtubers like tom who rip content from the site get rich and famous off the fruits of nulls labor without suffering or sacrificing anything, and they don't even pay respects or give shoutouts to the site
no wonder that there's some resentment there tbh
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So, to follow this, as I don't really see null as OP on most of these threads, it's the fault of the users, then. Not necessarily null.
 
Dextix LT said:
Yknow, i have to ask since i have no idea, whats the beef between Null and Tom exactly? Did Tom kill his Dog or something? Forget about animated, it felt like Null was gasping for air during the stream, besides the interview being hosted (and him giving credibility to the BPD sisters). Did i miss some massive sperg out story between those two? Were they best buddies at some point? Because holy hell is he invested for some weird reason.
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I'm glad you asked because I have opinions. Firstly one must acknowledge Josh's very particular hangups regarding gender politics. Bear in mind I do not have perfect recall, but I do not think these extend all the way back to his first podcasts. My suspicion is he is in a happy relationship, possibly with someone who has those ideas and has influenced him, or the developed out of his love and respect for her. With this in mind, in typical fashion, he has taken a hard and uncompromising stance on ever permutation of this issue, without thinking subtly about it.

Why Tom in particular, or indeed why Nick, Sam hyde? I think there is strong reason to believe this is professional jealousy. I say this not to insult, but because of the numerous side comments he has made about the degree of material success Tom has had (using his website), or the amount of undeserved influence Nick has, particularly focused on how he "wastes" it.

Even in the comment I quoted in an earlier post he talks about tom fucking his entire life up. It implies that he has a sense of the value of tom's position, and that he is sacrificing it for nothing.

Josh was at one time in a precarious position, which he spoke about quite frequently. Now it seems he is doing better, but also his ambitions have grown, he wants to do like lobbying and legal stuff, he wants a larger business where he can hire people so he isn't coding himself all the time. He feels like he has made a lot of sacrifices and worked very hard, only to see some guy who just repackages his communities content for youtube make buckets full of money. I think if you are even slightly prideful, that smarts a bit, and I think he's even openly said as much, if only in a joking manner.
 
Following this thread has been a wild ride. And i maybe late and retarded to the party. To me it seems that bitches lied, but not about everything. There is a kernel of truth in what they say. I have had a feeling about Tom, that he is a slimeball for the lack of a better word. Liked him in the beginning but something just started rubbing me the wrong way down the line. Josh gave an outlet for these women to air their grievances. Most of it was Bullshit. Tom was clear and straightforward about what happened between them. And the story goes on. Still even if i discount sacramentos and her girlfriends testimony i cannot feel that Tom is somehow a slimy weasel.
 
Dextix LT said:
Yknow, i have to ask since i have no idea, whats the beef between Null and Tom exactly? Did Tom kill his Dog or something? Forget about animated, it felt like Null was gasping for air during the stream, besides the interview being hosted (and him giving credibility to the BPD sisters). Did i miss some massive sperg out story between those two? Were they best buddies at some point? Because holy hell is he invested for some weird reason. This feels extremely personal.
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I think Null has pretty decent reasons to dislike Tom. As far as I know, Destiny is a disingenuous leftist who actually did revenge porn and has been doing defenses of "ethical" CP and incest for years, and Tom only stopped associating with Destiny when the revenge porn stuff happened, but never made an anti-Destiny video so I guess that makes Null feel he's still secretly supportive of Destiny. Tom has also associated with Sam Hyde and co. multiple times, and Null is pretty clear how he feels about those guys. Lastly, Null may have some issue with Tom making content off of the Farms, though since they were on good terms at one point and Tom even donated to the Farms during the Keffals thing, I kind of feel like this isn't Null's motivation, as much as KF users definitely feel that Tom insufficiently credits them. That's what I can glean.
 
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