Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread - Gorl Tawk's very own DMZ (De-Moidified Zone)

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What's really obnoxious is that this happens in pretty much any thread about a woman. They were shitting up the thread about that DoorDash girl who put the pantsless guy on TikTok to sperg about repealing the 19th and muh false accusations. It's like if I went to the Russell Greer thread to talk about how he's a classic example of male perversion and entitlement, or pointed to Spoony's Trump Derangement Syndrome as yet another reason men shouldn't be allowed to vote. I think it's because being male is still seen as the default so they're not expected to serve as representatives of their sex, whereas a woman being stupid or crazy reflects on all of us.
It's difficult to say why women don't generally behave as badly as men do in mixed-sex online spaces, but I've been observing things on this site for some time, and my thoughts are as follows:

1. Men have a sheer numbers advantage on most websites, including this one. This possibly dissuades some women from sperging about men outside the designated containment zones, since they know they will be immediately shouted down and probably have their profiles turned into yet another designated shitting street for spiritual browns.
2. There's a stigma attached to posting in either gender wars thread, so many male posters avoid posting in Woman Hate despite having opinions which belong in that thread. This lack of self-awareness and false sense of superiority over Man/Woman Hate posters causes them to view their woman hate as on-topic and reasonable, so they post it in threads where it doesn't belong. There's a general sentiment that containment threads are likely to make their users unaware of how unpopular their opinions are, but I think the opposite is true and the truly unaware gender warriors are posting everywhere but the containment threads.
3. I forgot what I was going to put here, so you can invent something clever.
4. Oh yeah, it was that women are generally more rules-conscious than men, which makes us better citizens both online and offline. Take that, moids.
 
Idk obviously it depends on the person/severity but i’ve only had nightmarish experiences with platonically being friends w bpds. They need to be putting work in too for that to work at all.

all that being said, people online like to forget that men also get bpd and are obviously far more abusive and violent than women with bpd, who woulda thunk it. The vast majority of women with BPD arent a serious danger to anyone but themselves, unlike mentally ill men.

the internet found the *worst* mental illness that is more commonly dxed in women they could find. and it’s still not even a bit comparable to what men with PDs do. Wow, your ex called you 30 times? Thats annoying. Wait till you hear about ASPD and NPD! (Mostly affect men)
Personality disorders aren't real mental illnesses, why is why you really can mitigate their severity through love and therapy. It's a manner of what you are willing to let bother you as much as it is what they are going to do.
A BPD friendship is a heavy burden, they would need to otherwise have a lot to offer, practically or sentimentally. Love is a greater commitment with more fruitful rewards.

I do agree Moids have a whole host of personality disorders you have to watch out for and deal with differently. Foids do as well obviously, but there is a reason being borderline is the only one that really became a meme.

Of course, love is absolutely worthless against genuine, physical mental health disorders. You can't love schizophrenia away. There is a very clear difference between these types of mental health episodes words and actions run off then like water on a raincoat. Nothing is being comprehended and internalized positively or negatively.
 
3. I forgot what I was going to put here, so you can invent something clever.
Men actually hate women. Not in thread isolation but real, traceable hatred with crime statistics to align. Women aren’t people to them, the default human experience is male, with women maybe a rank are two above an animal. Their gender sperging gets a pass, because for half of it male users don’t even understand what they’re looking at, they just already agree. It doesn’t stand out as sperging because it’s the default. There’s no containing that.
 
Men actually hate women. Not in thread isolation but real, traceable hatred with crime statistics to align. Women aren’t people to them, the default human experience is male, with women maybe a rank are two above an animal. Their gender sperging gets a pass, because for half of it male users don’t even understand what they’re looking at, they just already agree. It doesn’t stand out as sperging because it’s the default. There’s no containing that.
I really try to forget this as often as possible, but you're right. It's a bit heartbreaking.

Edit: I also saw a female user the other day claiming that she read both gender wars threads and that this thread is soooo much worse while Woman Hate isn't serious and is just haha funny memes and jokes. It's just a microcosm of reality, I guess.
 
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Seeing men blame women for being groomed into enjoying sexual violence is honestly blackpilling, I wish young girls understood you don’t have to let losers like turkey tom hit u in the face to be loved
 
Men actually hate women. Not in thread isolation but real, traceable hatred with crime statistics to align. Women aren’t people to them, the default human experience is male, with women maybe a rank are two above an animal. Their gender sperging gets a pass, because for half of it male users don’t even understand what they’re looking at, they just already agree. It doesn’t stand out as sperging because it’s the default. There’s no containing that.
The only men who truely hate woman in their heart of hearts are a certain demographic of homosexuals.
 
but also, as someone who actually had that experience with no consent, i'm a little disgusted by some of tom's exes behavior. take some accountability for encouraging this deranged behavior in a moid. she was out here like "i want you to rape me". i dont find that particularly sympathetic, personally. it's not like it was a one night stand, they dated for 7months. he'll just have more reason to think this is normal and any woman who disagrees is a crazy bitch. moids who engage in these fetishes are disgusting but women who encourage it don't get a free pass from me personally. im sorry they didnt have the self worth to cut that degenerate off and instead encouraged it.
Admitting to having a "rape kink" is such an awful idea that only a very naive or self-destructive woman would do it. Because you just gave every man who knows you said that carte blanche to actually rape you, forever. "She told my buddy she dated she had a rape fetish, I couldn't have known she actually meant 'no!' What was I supposed to do, NOT fuck someone as they pleaded for me to stop?"

And it's pointless because you don't even need to tell men you have a rape kink. I've had multiple men ask if I was into rape roleplay or put their hand on my throat without asking. Hang out with men enough and eventually one will fulfill your fantasy.
I really try to forget this as often as possible, but you're right. It's a bit heartbreaking.

Edit: I also saw a female user the other day claiming that she read both gender wars threads and that this thread is soooo much worse while Woman Hate isn't serious and is just haha funny memes and jokes. It's just a microcosm of reality, I guess.
On that note, I noticed the Pedo Hate thread is a lot more negative and incendiary than the Normal Person Who Fucks Adults Hate thread. This must be because pedos are just way more fun and chill.
 
The only men who truely hate woman in their heart of hearts are a certain demographic of homosexuals.
Right, so love is all you need to cure Cluster B disorders, only schizophrenia is a real mental illness, and only gays hate women...are you sure you're posting in the right thread? This is man hate, not Ygolonac's hot takes.
 
On that note, I noticed the Pedo Hate thread is a lot more negative and incendiary than the Normal Person Who Fucks Adults Hate thread. This must be because pedos are just way more fun and chill.
Omg can't believe you compared men to pedos, this is going in my Why Man Hate Thread Is the Worst and Must Be Shut Down NOW NOW NOW compilation.
 
ok im sorry, it's totally the same if you say "choke beat and rape me daddy" and the moid obliges, vs when they do that without any prompting
I disagree, these cases should be treated the same.

1. The "choke beat and rape me" women are obviously mentally ill, and scrotes know this. If an insane male approaches a scrote on the street and offers to get consensually beaten within an inch of his life, for money or for free, without public formalities (and this isn't Texas), the scrote won't agree to this, he'll definitely think something is off: worst case he's being set up by gangsters, "best case" he'll go to prison for gbh or manslaughter. Scrotes understand the law protects annoying crazy strangers in public. Yet when the prospective victim is an insane woman, "especially" a woman the scrote claims to view favorably, he both thinks it's ok to beat her and understands the law is on his side. Crazy women can't consent to be beaten.

2. If women can consent to beatings, then a scrote can always claim that a sane victim had eckshually consented and the murder was "a sex game gone wrong". This often works, and has recently been made illegal in England and Wales only.

To reiterate: I'm not asking for some special womanly protection from consequences, this is a basic protection that everyone else has that was taken from women by fetishist scrotes.

Correct, they made love. Soviets are romantic like that.
"заниматься любовью" (engage in love) is a modern calque from English. I understand it's hard for you coomers to imagine a porn-free culture, but there really wasn't a neutral word for fucking.
We aren't Christians. Our culture recognizes three sins: sloth (the basic stuff, not doing your part out of laziness), greed (claiming more than you deserve), and cowardice; plus you can just be the enemy and need killing for that reason. Stupidity is an IRL character flaw; in art, it's usually an aspect of sloth (the evil tsar does stupid things because he's too lazy to be efficiently evil). Lust, like defecation, is not an appropriate topic for art.

Here's an exhaustive list of Russian words that have to do with fucking, minus 90s names for specific sex acts:
  • to engage in seks (90s calque from English)
  • to engage in love (90s calque from English)
    • "love" as an imperative verb ("let's love each other") means to fall in love or to make Christian peace and can't be used for fucking
  • to bump each other (vulgar, conversational)
  • to sleep over (vulgar, conversational, temporary and improper -- you can't "sleep over" with your own spouse)
  • to fuck (ancient, now illegal to say)
  • to bang (dismissive, conversational, euphemism, invented in the late 60s by a translator of The Catcher in the Rye)
  • to suck off (self-explanatory, pejorative)
    • the sucker becomes subhuman regardless of the sexes involved, it can't sit at a table with humans, etc
  • to have/enter a gender relation (legal term)
  • to have/enter a gender relation in an unnatural/perverse form (legal term for sodomy)
  • gender life (medical term for body count)
    • has not lived a gender life (medical term for lifetime celibate, distinct from medical virginity)
  • to violate (general-use word for rape, legal term for p in v rape)
  • violent actions of a seksual character (legal term for other rape)
  • "to unite into one in ecstasy" and other purple prose porn expressions are acceptable in porn but would be extremely sleazy in conversation
 
Millennial here. I think it was Gen X that pushed casual sex onto *us*. I remember being told that casually hooking up with randos was totally healthy and empowering, andnot getting the appeal. I don't find sex with strangers a fun prospect. But I guess enough of my peers fell for it, now the Zoomers gotta deal with that BS too.
I agree. I think a lot of people feel this way but it's awkward to talk about. I remember 10 years ago they tried to make it a sexuality (demisexual) wherein you only want to have sex with people you like. Very disturbing that what should be considered the default made its way into the LGBTBBQ for a while.

1. The "choke beat and rape me" women are obviously mentally ill, and scrotes know this.
What mental illness do they have specifically?
 
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Why do you believe this?
They're not illnesses (for the most part).
A personality "disorder" is only a disorder when you can't (or are deemed not to) function acceptably in society. That's why so much of psychology has been dedicated to medicalising women. It redirects complicated issues in life into an internal "disorder". The problem isn't that your husband has little respect for you - it's that you are suffering from depression. The problem isn't that sexual trauma has scarred you - it's that you just happen to be a cluster B. You're a creative man who channels his wild swings of emotions into his art? - well, maybe you are bipolar but nobody gaf because your wife picks up the pieces when you inevitably crash.
The language of psychology is designed to make people think it's just as much a hard science as medicine - it's not.
 
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Seeing men blame women for being groomed into enjoying sexual violence is honestly blackpilling, I wish young girls understood you don’t have to let losers like turkey tom hit u in the face to be loved

Men actually hate women. Not in thread isolation but real, traceable hatred with crime statistics to align. Women aren’t people to them

I really try to forget this as often as possible, but you're right. It's a bit heartbreaking.

What's *actually* blackpilling is what @keke said: men just HATE women, in a tangible way. Which is why I don't understand why women continue to look for love in hearts that do not harbour it.

I guess if you had a scrote you had been with for a while, it could be sunken cost fallacy. But for unpartnered women and girls? Seeing how they treat us, how they talk about us, what the crime stats are....I just don't understand how anyone can look out at that mess and think, "Well, MY prince is out there among all this trash!"

It seems the more rational conclusion would be, "Oh! You're ALL pretty terrible and incapable of love. I guess I shouldn't waste my time, and find something else to do." *skips off*

Especially since we (in the West) aren't legally bound to men for the moment.
 
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>Look @ video by a feminist, essay on Dworkin’s work
>Like it
>Look at her other socials
>Communist
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Should I just safely make the assumption that she fears to define what a woman is and not bother subscribing?
There are (and were) plenty of communist women who recognize material biological reality and the dangers and exploitation of prostitution. While I am no longer a member of my nation's communist party due to their pathetic handwringing on language policing that slid into liberalist dicksucking, when I was in it, many of us cited women like Alexandra Kollontai, who lambasted prostitution and those who exploited women, as our feminist inspiration.

I'm not going to preach about communism/Marxism, but I hate how something so radically against class exploitation is diluted by liberalism in nearly every nation where it exists. "Oh but uhmmmm women WANT to be paid to be raped so like what's the big deal??? Yeah rape is bad and coercion is bad and that's also rape but likeeeee financial gain somehow negates the rape? What do you mean financial coercion is still rape? SHUT UP YOU FUCKING SWERF!!!!!"

I haven't watched the videos and can't just yet--does the woman you posted ever make her stance known? It's very rare to see young women talk about Dworkin these days, let alone know her.

I am shocked that he had an affair with another woman though. Dude speaks with a lisp and sounds like a campy queen.
Many a fag fucks a woman because he can't stand the fact that he is a faggot. He hates himself and pours his hate into a woman, both proving his manhood and his place in the world of straight men. All men benefit from the domination and subjugation of women.

she was out here like "i want you to rape me". i dont find that particularly sympathetic, personally. it's not like it was a one night stand, they dated for 7months. he'll just have more reason to think this is normal and any woman who disagrees is a crazy bitch. moids who engage in these fetishes are disgusting but women who encourage it don't get a free pass from me personally. im sorry they didnt have the self worth to cut that degenerate off and instead encouraged it.
Imo it’s partly her fault TT is now getting sympathy. Do i think he deserves it? No, but she handed it to him by lying.
Women don't have to be the perfect victims in order to be the victim. Sexualized abuse is still abuse. I understand what you're saying here about the fact that women who are rape-proponents and kink-posi aren't doing themselves any favors when patriarchy does its dance against them by acting/writing like they liked it, but no woman anywhere deserves to be abused, regardless of how sultrily she begs for it and performs for it. A guy is going to date a woman who "wants" to be raped because he himself wants to rape a woman. He will objectify her because she, through trauma or mental illness, is objectifying herself.

I weep for the young women of the world. I was surprised to see many others recognize this, regardless of their sex, in the TT thread: young people are doomed to repeat this cyclical abuse and self-abuse until they wake the fuck up and make some serious changes in their lives, presentation, self-image, and spaces in which they (mal)function.

I simultaneously blame them for lying and recognize that if they weren't exactly the kind of retards to hurt their own credibility that way, he probably would've never bothered with them.
This is what I'm talkin' 'bout. Women who broadcast their willingness to be abused will have their broadcast picked up by abusers on the same wavelength. It's like the prostitution thing again. If a woman is starving and "willing" to exchange sex for food, men should respond by putting bread in her mouth, not their dicks. But they don't, and we all know why.

No woman is born with the knowledge that you are supposed to avoid people like him at all costs, they have to be systematically failed to arrive at such a broken state. The idea of having each and every single one of them have to go through shit like this in order to realize that their role in a relationship is not that of a sexual fantasy slave is horrifying.
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Patriarchy conditions women to crave abuse, which the patriarch equates with love. Dworkin said something like this towards the end of her life: "there will one day come a time where women will beg to be abused." She warned about porn and said that if we as women didn't stop this, women of later generations would be told it's good for them and they should want what happens in porn to happen to them.

Now here we are. We're reading (alleged) texts from two separate women whose mental illnesses, very clear in their presentation, were taken advantage of by a man who actively searches for the kind of woman who would "want" to be abused. This is like when men brag about only dating/fucking women with "daddy issues"--these women have low to no experience with love or male figures who provide support, and their behavior is a (sometimes unknown to them) "mating call" to the worst kind of men. Men hunt for women who hate themselves and will accept--even request--sexual abuse. They do it because it justifies to themselves that they're not really doing anything wrong--they're giving their partners "what they want," protecting themselves from any scrutiny, just like TT has.

I don't agree with her committing murder, kind of wish she exposed Travis’s fake ass Christian LARP so he can live with the humiliation.
He would have gotten away with it in life just like he did in death. The Mormon church is really good at covering up male abuse and hypocrisy and explaining it away when caught. Just ask Warren Jeffs' victims. Many religious women are told to pray for their abusers and forgive them. Jodi, also a member of the LDS, was told much the same when she complained about Travis' behavior to a church therapist.
 
The secret is to accept her for who she is wholly and completely. In sickness and in health.
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Show me one man who's ever truly fixed a BPD woman. One. I'm all for emasculating moids, but asking a fish to climb a tree is gonna end in failure every single time. PDs can't be fixed, only managed, and that process must start with the PD-afflicted person's own desire to Do Better(tm) in order to be effective in any way. And guess what? Most of them don't give a shit about doing better. That's why everybody, female and male alike, fucking hates them, and why it's not possible to """fix""" them even if you ❤️love❤️ them.
 
the problem isn't that sexual trauma has scarred you - it's that you just happen to be a cluster B.
While it is true that these diagnoses in psychology have a history of doing this sort of thing to traumatized women (i.e., "hysteria", and more modernly, of BPD instead of cPTSD) , that doesn't necessarily mean all pathologies are non-existent, I think it just speaks on society as a whole in my opinion.

I see autistic men get away with blatantly shitty behavior because they are "honest" or whatever the fuck (and in my own personal experience, they are often coddled and not disciplined) and its often glamorized too in media, but when it comes to a woman with largely unhealthy views of interpersonal relations as a result of complex trauma most of the time, all of the sudden she has to own up for 100% of relationship outcomes. Point is, pathologies do indeed exist medically but the problem is misogyny is deeply embedded into the field at times. Especially with trauma-based shit which results in stigmatization of one thing but not the other, male dominated thing.
 
Btw zoomer men who don't even believe in God in the first place have been telling each other to pick girls up at church, which I'm sure is totally unrelated to anything I just wrote.
To find a wife, not to pick girls up. Zoomers are either completely alienated from the culture of modernity or completely captivated by it. The former really tend to want to avoid the latter. There are very few places where the former can gather, a traditionalist church is one of them.
 
This Turkey shits all so blackpilling. All that ever happens is blaming women for being "BPDemons" to absolve men of any misdeed. It's the new "hysteria". Nobody should be surprised how quickly the world is flushing down the toilet when this is what the piss rod nigger gender gets up to when they're not being a keyboard warrior bleating about evil women on kiwi farms. No wonder the birthrates aren't recovering.
 
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