George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

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If Robert hadn't die, he could have got the support of Dorne (as they don't like the Lannisters)
While the Dornish hate the Lannisters and would be pleased at them getting destroyed, I doubt they'd raise a finger to fight in the name of the man who looked the other way when presented with the brutalized corpses of Princess Elia and her children.
 
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tyrion's entire battle plan at blackwater was basically "ok, i'm just going to fucking bankrupt the entire kingdom, but if i don't, we're fucked"
Did you know that the Battle of Blackwater was based on a Viking siege of Constantinople in 941? The city was left mostly defenseless at the time because the military was busy elsewhere so the Rus vikings decided it was ripe for the pickings. They descended on the city with 1000 ships carrying 40,000 men. Constantinople had only 15 retired, battered, rinky dink ships at the time but they filled them up with greek fire and sent them out them out to meet the vikings. Instead of a giant explosion these ships vomited out the greek fire through dragon shaped masts. Most of the Rus jumped overboard preferring to drown rather than die by fire. Only a handful of ships were able to return to Crimea.
 
Because for GRRM honor equals stupidity.
We never get an indicator that Ned was going to do anything other than fail because of honor. A GRRM staple.
The funny thing is that the Starks being so honor-bound would actually make them politically savvy in the real Middle Ages, where all the backstabbing cunts of that era are waiting for you to make a mistake by making yourself look dishonorable, so they can have an excuse to pounce on you. Ned trying to keep his family honor nice and tidy would ensure that in the real Middle Ages, he can easily have other nobles on his side, or even the Pope. You know, the guy who can fire kings with a penstroke?

The most world-breaking thing Martin has in his stories is a Medieval world where the lords and power brokers are openly corrupt or bloody. That's the kind of shit that would get you in trouble in the real Middle Ages, where the whole feudal system is one big shaky jenga tower of PR and conditional oaths. An honorable lord would have little problem finding allies or even getting powerful groups like the Church on his side, whereas a lord who openly violates guest right or kills baptized royal infants would find few allies no matter how powerful they are, and the Church would be likely to move against them. Even outside of knightly orders such as the Hospitallers or the Templars, the Church has its own private army, so they can be a problem, even if your vassals ignore the Pope's threats of exommunication.

Being careful with your family's honor and keeping your hands clean of innocent blood is the best thing Ned can do from a medieval political standpoint. Yet the story treats him like an idiot for it, when in the real Middle Ages, Ned would be the kind of guy who could get dukes, kings, and maybe even the Pope to listen to his pleas. So when some incest nepo-baby king takes his head, the other nobles and the Church would react...........violently. The Pope might even launch a Crusade to take Joffrey down.

Targs and Blackfyres were fighting for centuries. They all backstab each other. They are all kinslayers or murderers. Guest right is violated more often than kept.
Bloodraven kills a Blackfyre who tries to peacefully make his claim on the throne during a royal election, because the other guy (Egg) was hated by the nobility for thinking like a peasant, and the other candidates weren't loved. And Bloodraven was supposed to be one of the more level-headed Targs. Yet even he is willing to step over the taboo of violating guest right, and the worst punishment he faces is working in a penal colony amongst border guards-a cushy post for a guy who violated a sacred law.
 
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powerful groups like the Church on his side
Don't get me started on the state of the church in Westeros. At best its like a Scandinavian state church from the 19th century transplanted into the 14th century. I guess expecting a boomer atheist to write sober, devout believers is like expecting a 40 year old khhv to write believable puppy love romance.
 
Don't get me started on the state of the church in Westeros. At best its like a Scandinavian state church from the 19th century transplanted into the 14th century. I guess expecting a boomer atheist to write sober, devout believers is like expecting a 40 year old khhv to write believable puppy love romance.
It's pathetic. The only high septon with a spine was the High Sparrow; a peasant with an army in rags.

I mean, the only thing that kept the Warrior's Sons in check were the Targaryen dragons, and those died off in the Dance of Dragons. The further weakening and fall of the Targaryens should've created a power vacuum for the Faith of the Seven to return to power. Maybe they can go back to condemning Targaryen incest as a way to gain the favor of Robert Baratheon, in exchange for the Faith being allowed to rebuild their army. Maybe they could've used their historic objection to Targaryen incest to gain power under Robert, who would be grateful in having a powerful ally with an army of its own, openly decrying the incestuous dynasty he overthrew, justifying his rebellion against those who might call him a usurper.

I can only wonder how Tywin Lannister would deal with Pope Innocent III, who can throw three kings (Philip Augustus of France, Richard Lionheart of England, and Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Barbarossa) at him in response for him killing baptized royal babes or his grandson killing a Stark Lord well-known for being honorable. Frederick alone had an army of 100,000. 20,000 of them were battle-hardened knights. Frederick took this army with him during the Third Crusade, where they decimated the Byzantine Empire when the latter dared to attack the Crusaders; burning Thrace, seizing Adrianople, and preparing to seize Constantinople until they were persuaded otherwise when the Byzantine Emperor begged for mercy in front of his western counterpart.
 
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From what I've heard & the clips I've watched of it on YT, AKOTSK seems to be off to a better start than HOTD was, at least. There's still plenty of time for the showrunners to drop the ball as the HOTD ones did, but maybe the smaller scale & lower stakes of the Dunk and Egg stories will play to their benefit.

I also can't recall any big moments in the Dunk & Egg novellas which would too easily lend themselves to a woke butchering of the broader story as Rhaenyra being the female claimant in the Dance did for HOTD by the writers/showrunners turning it into one girlboss's struggle against The Patriarchy™. If anything, the would-be DEI characters tend to be the villains that Dunk has to oppose (ginger girlboss Rohanne Webber in the second story, though she's not terribly villainous and is mainly an antagonist b/c Duncan works for her rival Lord Osgrey, and then the gay Blackfyre prince Daemon II in the third).
Feudal society has kings reliant on the power of nobles supporting them. If Stannis was raised in a feudal society, he would know that a king with few noble friends won't remain king for long. Some feudal kingdoms even have nobles electing a new king the moment the old one dies. The Magna Carta wasn't unique to England; kings from Aragon to Germany were beholden to their noble vassals, who can easily depose them and go shopping for another king if the mood hits them.
Eh, there's definitely been cases of royals/nobles attempting a grab at/to keep the throne (or at least, some piece of real estate) they did have a theoretically sound case for in spite of it being pretty obvious that they would have less support than their rivals. Some niggas are just that stubborn/autistic IRL, no matter how high the station of their birth might be; the central protagonist of the Accursed Kings books which Martin claims as his big literary inspiration for ASOIAF, Robert of Artois, literally helped set off the Hundred Years' War as the highpoint of a lifetime of efforts to try to recover his rightful inheritance (he still failed BTW). In other cases, ex. Henry VI of England, they weren't even able to push their own strong claim (Henry was insane by the time of his short-lived restoration in 1470, and a huge pushover & probable cuck when he wasn't insane in the early years of & just before the Wars of the Roses) but were pushed forward anyway as a pawn by one competing faction (the Lancastrians had no real popular support by 1470, didn't stop them from trying to retake their crown until they were mostly killed off, Henry included).

Westeros's fantasy aspects & breaks from reality do actually very much play into Stannis' favor I believe, you're right that if he were the English prince Stanley or the Polish prince Stanislaw or whatever, yeah he'd be fucked due to his lack of support and his brother would curbstomp him in one of those battles so small that it'd be lucky to end up as a minor historical footnote. However he does have the benefit of living in a universe with magic & dragons, and used the former to win his struggle with Renly under the latter's terms. After all it's Renly who predicated his entire claim to and grab for the Iron Throne on the principle of 'might makes right', and doesn't really disguise it nor his willingness to kill Stannis (IIRC he basically tells Loras and/or one of his other Rainbow Guards 'don't carve my big bro up too badly, I'd like to keep his corpse presentable for his funeral for the sake of our parents' memory' before the planned battle in front of Storm's End). It just so happened that at the end of the day, Stannis' shadow assassin magic proved mightier than that 100k-strong army Renly was able to mobilize.

I can't fault a fantasy story for having something go differently than it would have gone 'realistically' by way of an actual fantasy aspect. What might've been a better angle to examine is how Stannis would have done as King if he'd won at the Blackwater; losing the battle & having to eat humble pie was what made him chill out, listen to Davos more and become a slightly nicer, more reasonable ruler (without compromising the core of his character, of course), and ironically he'd probably miss out on all those positive developments if he had won. I think a fairer example of what you're talking about here would have been the story of Maegor the Cruel: all the lore outlined about him spells out how he owned the single strongest dragon in Westerosi history (the Black Dread) and never lost a battle, but he still ended up losing the Iron Throne & his life anyway due to being a universally hated nigger (besides being a psycho tyrant, he was also simply deeply personally unpleasant to a far worse degree than Stannis, dude was basically Gregor Clegane come early as a Targ). The more uncompromising, merciless & overtly entitled pre-Blackwater defeat Stannis could have gone down a similar path.
 
Being careful with your family's honor and keeping your hands clean of innocent blood is the best thing Ned can do from a medieval political standpoint. Yet the story treats him like an idiot for it, when in the real Middle Ages,

The narrative really doesn't. The whole "The North Remembers" plotline, all the different Northern houses conspiring independently of each other to eradicate the Boltons and save "Arya" from Ramsay/get Jon to take back Winterfell/recover Rickon from Skagos, alongside all the Riverlands houses conveniently looking the other way when the Freys are picked off. That's all because the Starks, particularly Ned, somewhat Robb, have such a positive legacy with those who dealt with them.

Compare Tywin, who is frequently held up as the "smart and savvy" operator, who wins while Ned loses because of his "Machiavellian genius". The moment he dies, a death brought about by his own arrogance at the hands of his abused son, everything he's worked towards falls about. His idiot daughter starts undoing the alliances he made, his favorite son is basically working to benefit the Starks because he wants to feel honorable for the first time, and the son that killed him is actively trying to help the likes of Young Griff and Dany in their dreams of conquest, solely out of spite. The whole Sparrow movement formed organically because Tywin was not only ignoring his obligations to protect the smallfolk, he was actively employing and protecting the likes of Gregor Clegane and the Brave Companions.
 
brought about by his own arrogance at the hands of his abused son
Something that I think undermines what George was going for with Tyrion killing Tywin is that Varys would have personally killed him himself if Jaime never told him about Tysha. He was looking to destabilize the realm at that point, idk why so many readers/fans don't pick up on it.
 
The narrative really doesn't. The whole "The North Remembers" plotline, all the different Northern houses conspiring independently of each other to eradicate the Boltons and save "Arya" from Ramsay/get Jon to take back Winterfell/recover Rickon from Skagos, alongside all the Riverlands houses conveniently looking the other way when the Freys are picked off. That's all because the Starks, particularly Ned, somewhat Robb, have such a positive legacy with those who dealt with them.
We don't know if their conspiracy will amount to a hill of beans. Ever since GRRM stopped writing the mainline stories. That plot has been left in limbo. So as far as we know, no, being honorable doesn't do shit in the ASOIAF world; the most you'll get is that some people might remember you fondly if you're dead.

Compare Tywin, who is frequently held up as the "smart and savvy" operator, who wins while Ned loses because of his "Machiavellian genius". The moment he dies, a death brought about by his own arrogance at the hands of his abused son, everything he's worked towards falls about. His idiot daughter starts undoing the alliances he made, his favorite son is basically working to benefit the Starks because he wants to feel honorable for the first time, and the son that killed him is actively trying to help the likes of Young Griff and Dany in their dreams of conquest, solely out of spite. The whole Sparrow movement formed organically because Tywin was not only ignoring his obligations to protect the smallfolk, he was actively employing and protecting the likes of Gregor Clegane and the Brave Companions.
Again, the same problem I have with this as with the "North Remembers" plotline. There is still no payoff. Gregor is still around, even as a zombie. Cersei still has a shot with using him in a trial by combat. Not to mention the advantages the good guys got was because of Tyrion killing his dad out of spite and Varys killing the honorable Kevan Lannister so that Young Griff has a fighting chance. Nothing about this shows nobility and goodness winning out; just more assholes killing people in the shadows to make a power play for their own goals.

Westeros's fantasy aspects & breaks from reality do actually very much play into Stannis' favor I believe, you're right that if he were the English prince Stanley or the Polish prince Stanislaw or whatever, yeah he'd be fucked due to his lack of support and his brother would curbstomp him in one of those battles so small that it'd be lucky to end up as a minor historical footnote. However he does have the benefit of living in a universe with magic & dragons, and used the former to win his struggle with Renly under the latter's terms. After all it's Renly who predicated his entire claim to and grab for the Iron Throne on the principle of 'might makes right', and doesn't really disguise it nor his willingness to kill Stannis (IIRC he basically tells Loras and/or one of his other Rainbow Guards 'don't carve my big bro up too badly, I'd like to keep his corpse presentable for his funeral for the sake of our parents' memory' before the planned battle in front of Storm's End). It just so happened that at the end of the day, Stannis' shadow assassin magic proved mightier than that 100k-strong army Renly was able to mobilize.
IIRC, Renly had 100,000 troops, 80,000 of which belong to House Tyrell. So even if Stannis got the demon shadow baby assassin to kill his brother and get the Stormlanders to side with him, that still wouldn't stop the 80K-man Tyrell army led by Loras Tyrell and Randyll Tarly in curbstomping Stannis' guts out and presenting his head to Tywin as a peace offering. He should still be dead, and with the Redwyne fleet under their control, even if Stannis escaped to Dragonstone, Tywin and Loras could still transport the Reach-Westerlands army to Dragonstone and kill Stannis, so as to please Joffrey enough to get him to marry Margaery Tyrell.

So no, even the fantastical elements aren't enough in my book to explain Stannis surviving all the way up to book 5. At most, he should've had a last stand in book 3, or be forced to leave Westeros entirely to slum it with the Second Sons or the Golden Company. Maybe he can invade Westeros as a general under Young Griff. Or maybe he can go to Volantis and enlist in the ranks of the forces of the Lord of Light. Then he'd run into Dany Targaryen and wind up supporting her because the Volantine clergy are convinced that she's the messiah.

Even Star Wars has the fucking Jedi, with all their mystical might, get killed by enough goobers with blaster rifles. Supernatural hijinks can only carry you so far. Maybe if Stannis' magic allies could convince the Tyrells to side with him, it could've worked. Like say, instead of opposing Renly, Stannis bends to him and pretends to be an ally, then he has the demon shadow baby kill Renly, so that Stannis could then claim that Tywin had Renly killed, so as to make the case even to the Tyrells that he should lead and "avenge" Renly against the Lannisters.

Something that I think undermines what George was going for with Tyrion killing Tywin is that Varys would have personally killed him himself if Jaime never told him about Tysha. He was looking to destabilize the realm at that point, idk why so many readers/fans don't pick up on it.
So even if Tywin was courteous and nice to Tyrion, and the two of them got along just fine, the fact that Varys is working for Young Griff meant that he would've killed Tywin anyways, and Tyrion as well, if the latter served his father to help King Tommen govern, because Varys wants Young Griff to be king.

Eh, there's definitely been cases of royals/nobles attempting a grab at/to keep the throne (or at least, some piece of real estate) they did have a theoretically sound case for in spite of it being pretty obvious that they would have less support than their rivals. Some niggas are just that stubborn/autistic IRL, no matter how high the station of their birth might be; the central protagonist of the Accursed Kings books which Martin claims as his big literary inspiration for ASOIAF, Robert of Artois, literally helped set off the Hundred Years' War as the highpoint of a lifetime of efforts to try to recover his rightful inheritance (he still failed BTW). In other cases, ex. Henry VI of England, they weren't even able to push their own strong claim (Henry was insane by the time of his short-lived restoration in 1470, and a huge pushover & probable cuck when he wasn't insane in the early years of & just before the Wars of the Roses) but were pushed forward anyway as a pawn by one competing faction (the Lancastrians had no real popular support by 1470, didn't stop them from trying to retake their crown until they were mostly killed off, Henry included).
They still lost horribly, which goes to show why in medieval Europe, you never try to claim more power for yourself without the right friends. Stannis is supposed to be a smart and talented battle commander, not a vainglorious, blue-blooded snot with more balls than brains. He should know that pressing a claim against Renly wouldn't work, not unless he can get the Tyrells on board.
 
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The narrative really doesn't. The whole "The North Remembers" plotline, all the different Northern houses conspiring independently of each other to eradicate the Boltons and save "Arya" from Ramsay/get Jon to take back Winterfell/recover Rickon from Skagos, alongside all the Riverlands houses conveniently looking the other way when the Freys are picked off. That's all because the Starks, particularly Ned, somewhat Robb, have such a positive legacy with those who dealt with them.

Compare Tywin, who is frequently held up as the "smart and savvy" operator, who wins while Ned loses because of his "Machiavellian genius". The moment he dies, a death brought about by his own arrogance at the hands of his abused son, everything he's worked towards falls about. His idiot daughter starts undoing the alliances he made, his favorite son is basically working to benefit the Starks because he wants to feel honorable for the first time, and the son that killed him is actively trying to help the likes of Young Griff and Dany in their dreams of conquest, solely out of spite. The whole Sparrow movement formed organically because Tywin was not only ignoring his obligations to protect the smallfolk, he was actively employing and protecting the likes of Gregor Clegane and the Brave Companions.
In hindsight, how the Sparrows/Faith Militant got done dirty on the show is another tell on D&D's faggotry and how the woke socio-political zeitgeist of the 2010s was infecting media. In the books they're a horde of peasants with entirely legitimate grievances who have been mauled, starved & raped by the marauding armies of the great houses & high lords, decide they've had quite enough of eating said lords' shit, and are determined to judge those lords under the standards set by the gods they theoretically share (although it's clear that most of the aristocracy, as exemplified by the likes of Cersei, really couldn't give two shits and have no fear of nor respect for the Seven, septons/septas high & low, the Seven Hells, etc.).

The only way to hate them and think their opponents - the openly, horrifically corrupt elite at the top of sociopolitical system so completely broken that rival elites who actually try to use it as intended, ex. Ned in general or Edmure Tully letting peasants whose villages are under threat take shelter in his castle, are regarded as soft-in-the-head retards - are the real good guys in that fight, would be to either be part of said elite's RL counterpart or at 'best' one of their useful idiots. The Sparrow arc in the books is fundamentally one of a working class finally standing up against the abuses and outrageous excesses of a parasitic elite that's been tyrannizing them for way longer, and frankly deserve a lot worse than Cersei's walk of shame (Clegane's thugs, for example, certainly do much worse to random Riverlander peasants almost every time they appear in person, whether under Tywin's direct orders or just for kicks). That they are religious conservative types using appeals to tradition & divine justice (both of which the elite they're fighting blatantly have nothing but contempt for) to buttress their cause just adds further insult to injury in the eyes of their detractors, who identify the Seven with Christianity(=patriarchal oppressive force) IRL after all.

So of course the son of an ex-Goldman Sachs bigwig and his hanger-on would demonize the Sparrows and downplay/eliminate all of their justified economic, military & social grievances in favor of just making them a Taliban cutout that hates gays & girlbosses for being gay or 'forgetting their place' respectively. It's a much simpler narrative which is much better suited to their sensibilities and that of the woke audience they were starting to cultivate (not just with the Faith Militant stuff but also other story changes like cutting down on bad shit being shown happening to female characters after Sansa's rape scene, even more hugely cutting down the sex appeal in the later seasons, making Dany an unironic messiah figure right up until the very end, etc.), and conveniently flips the obvious hero/villain of that part of the story around in intersectionalist eyes (it's the Westerosi equivalent of how a bunch of 'white trash' trailer park Christians can never be more oppressed than a black NBA/NFL/other sportsball star player rocking a $1 billion net worth or the girlboss CEO whose pharma company is directly responsible for poisoning their community).
 
Something that I think undermines what George was going for with Tyrion killing Tywin is that Varys would have personally killed him himself if Jaime never told him about Tysha. He was looking to destabilize the realm at that point, idk why so many readers/fans don't pick up on it.
It leads to Varys killing Pycelle and Kevan with a crossbow which will make Cersei beyond paranoid about Tyrion in the (never written) upcoming chapters in TWOW. There's no doubt that Varys allowing Tyrion to climb into the Tower of the Hand was just to create more chaos. Maybe Tywin kills Tyrion. Maybe the guards find Tyrion and just lock him up again. Either way Jaime is the one who created this mess so he'll get blamed and likely sent away from Cersei to make her more paranoid. Varys wins in most of these scenarios.
IIRC, Renly had 100,000 troops, 80,000 of which belong to House Tyrell. So even if Stannis got the demon shadow baby assassin to kill his brother and get the Stormlanders to side with him, that still wouldn't stop the 80K-man Tyrell army led by Loras Tyrell and Randyll Tarly in curbstomping Stannis' guts out and presenting his head to Tywin as a peace offering.
Stannis should have assassinated Margery Tyrell instead. It would have made Renly look weak or like a murderer. And destroyed his alliance.
 
He clearly has no intention on finishing this, which honestly, we all knew.

It sucks because there's a lot of cool stuff he could have developed on but honestly, the Dany and Bran chapters were always the dirt worst and the fact that he seems to be constantly stumped with them in particular and anything east of the narrow sea shows that he straight up is avoiding resolving the main story that people actually care about.

Honestly, he should have just turned it into a Stark revenge story, maybe delving into what is ideal, vengeance or justice and the narrow line between the two.


He should just write...something...Perfect is the enemy of good. Put a pen to paper or a finger to a keyboard and just start writing until you reach The End. Heck get a ghost writer or have AI craft the frame work and just edit it from there which is much easier than ex nihilo writing. Who cares if it doesn't make sense or if you think the audience won't like it? You fix that in editing. With retcons if necessary. Or not at all if you prefer. A 'complete' draft would be better than nothing. Pretty sure most fans would like to you finish the actual series over yet another slop show.

It just sort of seems he's pissed off now and purposely won't finish to spite the fans.
 
Stannis should have assassinated Margery Tyrell instead. It would have made Renly look weak or like a murderer. And destroyed his alliance.
I'm not so sure. At that point, Renly could probably say that the assassin came from Tywin or Stannis.

If it were me, and I were Stannis, I'd either A) butter up Renly so that he makes me his second-in-command, then have the shadow baby kill him and blame the Lannisters, so I can lead the Tyrell-Baratheon army in a "righteous" quest for vengeance, or B) I'd make a "friendly wager" with Renly, telling him that I sent an assassin (the shadow baby) to go kill Tywin Lannister. If Tywin dies within a fortnight, Renly bends, but if not, then I would bend. Tywin dying to "my assassin" would scare the shit out of Renly, that if I could kill someone as powerful as Tywin, in a place as secure as Harrenhal, then no one is safe from me, and Renly would bend the knee knowing that he'd be next if he doesn't surrender.

He should just write...something...Perfect is the enemy of good. Put a pen to paper or a finger to a keyboard and just start writing until you reach The End. Heck get a ghost writer or have AI craft the frame work and just edit it from there which is much easier than ex nihilo writing. Who cares if it doesn't make sense or if you think the audience won't like it? You fix that in editing. With retcons if necessary. Or not at all if you prefer. A 'complete' draft would be better than nothing. Pretty sure most fans would like to you finish the actual series over yet another slop show.

It just sort of seems he's pissed off now and purposely won't finish to spite the fans.
He should just go and write more Dunk and Egg novellas and leave the main ASOIAF novels for someone else to finish. Maybe he can find a fan who thinks the same way he does, and give that person the outline and the task of filling things in.
 
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He should just go and write more Dunk and Egg novellas and leave the main ASOIAF novels for someone else to finish. Maybe he can find a fan who thinks the same way he does, and give that person the outline and the task of filling things in.

He said there will be no successor writer and if he dies before its finished it will remain unfinished.

Sort of boosts the fuck the fans I'm going to go help shill more black and transgender representation in the latest HBO slop theory.
 
He said there will be no successor writer and if he dies before its finished it will remain unfinished.
That's the problem with GRRM. His ego. At least I can respect George Lucas who allowed Expanded Universe authors to fill in more gaps in the Star Wars timeline when he got tired of making movies.

He'd be way better off if he took some humble pie, realized that he couldn't finish the main series, and left it at that. Then he can go do whatever the fuck he wants, while letting someone else pick up the tab for the mainline ASOIAF story.

Sort of boosts the "fuck the fans I'm going to go help shill more black and transgender representation in the latest HBO slop" theory.
No shit. GRRM is a liberal. As if his "fuck the upper class and religious people" shtick wasn't big enough. ASOIAF, even in its rawest form, has enough wokeness in it to make Tolkien hurl.

-Every religion other than the pseudo-Catholic faith has magic powers.
-The patriarchal, medoeval society in Westeros treats women like shit.
-Lords and knights are expected to be chivalrous, but most of them have less honor than the fucking Borgias.
-Egg learns to be a good king because he traveled the world with Duncan the Tall, which is why the nobles hate him, because his travels have left him "half a peasant".
-The one nation to defy the Targaryen conquest is Dorne, which is designed after Moorish Spain. It's also the one nation where women have equal rights as men, and they don't treat bastards like shit. For some ungodly reason, despite the fact that they don't have great wealth, resources, or a powerful army, they still managed to resist the Dragons.
 
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IIRC, Renly had 100,000 troops, 80,000 of which belong to House Tyrell. So even if Stannis got the demon shadow baby assassin to kill his brother and get the Stormlanders to side with him, that still wouldn't stop the 80K-man Tyrell army led by Loras Tyrell and Randyll Tarly in curbstomping Stannis' guts out and presenting his head to Tywin as a peace offering. He should still be dead, and with the Redwyne fleet under their control, even if Stannis escaped to Dragonstone, Tywin and Loras could still transport the Reach-Westerlands army to Dragonstone and kill Stannis, so as to please Joffrey enough to get him to marry Margaery Tyrell.

So no, even the fantastical elements aren't enough in my book to explain Stannis surviving all the way up to book 5. At most, he should've had a last stand in book 3, or be forced to leave Westeros entirely to slum it with the Second Sons or the Golden Company. Maybe he can invade Westeros as a general under Young Griff. Or maybe he can go to Volantis and enlist in the ranks of the forces of the Lord of Light.

Even Star Wars has the fucking Jedi, with all their mystical might, get killed by enough goobers with blaster rifles. Supernatural hijinks can only carry you so far. Maybe if Stannis' magic allies could convince the Tyrells to side with him, it could've worked. Like say, instead of opposing Renly, Stannis bends to him and pretends to be an ally, then he has the demon shadow baby kill Renly, so that Stannis could then claim that Tywin had Renly killed, so as to make the case even to the Tyrells that he should lead and "avenge" Renly against the Lannisters.
It wasn't that simple IIRC. The Tyrells are noted to be the Great House with the weakest hold over their bannermen due to not being a royal house pre-Conquest (in fact many of their vassals, like House Florent to whom Stannis has marriage ties, have better claims to the Reach on account of their superior ties to the extinct royal House Gardener), even in the present day Olenna Redwyne had to worry about them being challenged for the paramountcy by their vassals, and there was a real danger of the pro-Stannis Reachmen led by his Florent in-laws flipping the allegiance of many or even most of the Reach troops, which took some decisive action by Loras & Randyll Tarly to suppress. Yes, of course we now know the Tyrell loyalists won that round in the end, but in the immediate aftermath of Renly's death Stannis did have some reason to think he could get the Reach (or at least, a big enough part of it to cushion any curbstomping planned by his enemies; half, or even just a quarter, of those 80k Reachmen would have gone a long way to evening the odds he faced) onto his side, and thus actually have a shot at the IT.

The Redwynes also genuinely had good reason for not immediately springing into action, their lord's twin sons were being held hostage at KL when hostilities first erupt so they didn't mobilize or really do anything whatsoever to support their overlord's pledging to Renly at the beginning of the Wo5K. Then after the Tyrells and Lannisters reconciled, it took said Lord Paxter too much time to pull together & then move their 200-ship navy towards the Narrow Sea; he does actually participate in blockading Stannis' homebase, but by then Stannis has already long since fucked off to the Wall.

Now there's no argument to be had that the shadowbabies could have been used more intelligently. At the very least, the second one could've been used against Tywin or Randyll Tarly instead of being wasted on the castellan of Storm's End (who could have been taken down in a duel, which he himself proposed, with any of Stannis's champions). I think in hindsight it's just a case of Martin needing his characters to squander their obvious overwhelming advantage for plot reasons, like Arya wasting Jaqen's abilities on some random insignificant niggers at Harrenhal instead of someone like Tywin but way more retarded & out-of-character (since Arya at least has the excuse of being a traumatized 9-year-old girl who's way in over her head, while Stannis is a grown adult & experienced strategist; and I don't remember him ever giving any good reason for his decision here to Davos or anyone else, nor do we get a look inside his head for it since he's not a POV character).
They still lost horribly, which goes to show why in medieval Europe, you never try to claim more power for yourself without the right friends. Stannis is supposed to be a smart and talented battle commander, not a vainglorious, blue-blooded snot with more balls than brains. He should know that pressing a claim against Renly wouldn't work, not unless he can get the Tyrells on board.
That's the thing though, Artois IRL did end up becoming an experienced captain (albeit still one less successful in the field than Stannis was in the books, his biggest battle being an early defeat for the English in the HYW). Sometimes niggas are just way too fucking stubborn for their own good & that of everyone around them; in that regard Stannis (especially pre-Blackwater Stannis, who's a much bigger asshole than post-Blackwater Stannis) is not particularly unrealistic.

The Lancastrians also lost in the end, but at the time of the Readeption they had some ground to think they could've succeeded, since they did get Warwick the Kingmaker (who was like a one-man English House Tyrell at the time, in that he was literally 15th century England's #1 landowner and managed to raise a total of 60,000 men over two years - 30k crushed at Losecoat Field in 1470, another 30k for Barnet in 1471) on their side. Unfortunately for them their opponent, Edward IV of the House of York, was the real-life basis for both Bobby B and Robb Stark (young, charismatic gigachad & military genius who never lost a battle, also almost lost his throne due to breaking a betrothal arranged by the Kingmaker but obviously ended up luckier than Robb in that regard), and so he kicked all their collective asses. But on paper, like Stannis right after whacking Renly but before the Tarlys & Loras destroyed the Florents' plot to subvert the Reachmen, they had good reason at the time to think their plan wasn't actually suicidal.
 
It wasn't that simple IIRC. The Tyrells are noted to be the Great House with the weakest hold over their bannermen due to not being a royal house pre-Conquest (in fact many of their vassals, like House Florent to whom Stannis has marriage ties, have better claims to the Reach on account of their superior ties to the extinct royal House Gardener), even in the present day Olenna Redwyne had to worry about them being challenged for the paramountcy by their vassals, and there was a real danger of the pro-Stannis Reachmen led by his Florent in-laws flipping the allegiance of many or even most of the Reach troops, which took some decisive action by Loras & Randyll Tarly to suppress. Yes, of course we now know the Tyrell loyalists won that round in the end, but in the immediate aftermath of Renly's death Stannis did have some reason to think he could get the Reach (or at least, a big enough part of it to cushion any curbstomping planned by his enemies; half, or even just a quarter, of those 80k Reachmen would have gone a long way to evening the odds he faced) onto his side, and thus actually have a shot at the IT.
If that is the case, then Stannis should have focused on getting the Reachmen to his side first, and flushing out anyone who might disagree, like Loras and Randyll. Then once his hold over the Reach is secure, Stannis can then send the massive Reach army to King's Landing. No amount of Tywin coming to the rescue is going to stop THAT.

If anything, Stannis was foolish to let Loras and Randyll live, since those two could easily lead a counter-attack even if his attack on King's Landing was a success. Sure, he'd get to Joffrey and Cersei and kill them, but with Loras and Randyll nipping at his heels, he'd still get fucked, especially once Tywin showed up.

The Redwynes also genuinely had good reason for not immediately springing into action, their lord's twin sons were being held hostage at KL when hostilities first erupt so they didn't mobilize or really do anything whatsoever to support their overlord's pledging to Renly at the beginning of the Wo5K. Then after the Tyrells and Lannisters reconciled, it took said Lord Paxter too much time to pull together & then move their 200-ship navy towards the Narrow Sea; he does actually participate in blockading Stannis' homebase, but by then Stannis has already long since fucked off to the Wall.
That made no fucking sense. After the Tyrells and Lannisters reconciled, they should've immediately moved to combine their naval assets to take out Stannis first. Especially since it was Stannis who threatened the capital, not Robb Stark who just wanted to be left alone with the North as a free entity.

Now there's no argument to be had that the shadowbabies could have been used more intelligently. At the very least, the second one could've been used against Tywin or Randyll Tarly instead of being wasted on the castellan of Storm's End (who could have been taken down in a duel, which he himself proposed, with any of Stannis's champions). I think in hindsight it's just a case of Martin needing his characters to squander their obvious overwhelming advantage for plot reasons, like Arya wasting Jaqen's abilities on some random insignificant niggers at Harrenhal instead of someone like Tywin but way more retarded & out-of-character (since Arya at least has the excuse of being a traumatized 9-year-old girl who's way in over her head, while Stannis is a grown adult & experienced strategist).
Martin obviously wasn't planning ahead. Him describing himself as a gardener instead of an architect, forgetting the fact that gardeners are the ultimate architects, since they work with organic materials, so they have to plan out how plants grow and how far to trim the hedges or weeds.

If I was Stannis, like I said, either I'd embrace Renly as my king and get into his good graces, then have the shadow baby kill him and blame the Lannisters for it, that way, I'd get even the Tyrells in my pocket, or I'd scare the shit out of Renly and the Tyrells by having the shadow baby pose as my "assassin" and kill Tywin. If someone that powerful, in a secure castle like Harrenhal, can be killed at my word, then Renly would realize that the only reason he's not dead is because I haven't killed him yet. Loras would want Renly to live since they're both gay for each other, and so, Renly would bend the knee, and I'd make him my heir to placate his Tyrell friends.

That's the thing though, Artois IRL did end up becoming an experienced captain (albeit still one less successful in the field than Stannis was in the books, his biggest battle being an early defeat for the English in the HYW). Sometimes niggas are just way too fucking stubborn for their own good & that of everyone around them; in that regard Stannis (especially pre-Blackwater Stannis, who's a much bigger asshole than post-Blackwater Stannis) is not particularly unrealistic.
He kind of is, because Stannis has been to war before, and he knows what it's like to starve inside a castle, surrounded by a large army feasting at his walls. The only thing stopping that from happening again was the fact that Tywin and the Tyrells had some Northern bugs to squash. So even pre-Blackwater Stannis had eaten a lot of humble pie back during the war against the Mad King.

The Lancastrians also lost in the end, but at the time of the Readeption they had some ground to think they could've succeeded, since they did get Warwick the Kingmaker (who was like a one-man English House Tyrell at the time, in that he was literally 15th century England's #1 landowner and managed to raise a total of 60,000 men over two years - 30k crushed at Losecoat Field in 1470, another 30k for Barnet in 1471) on their side. Unfortunately for them their opponent, Edward IV of the House of York, was the real-life basis for both Bobby B and Robb Stark (young, charismatic gigachad & military genius who never lost a battle, also almost lost his throne due to breaking a betrothal arranged by the Kingmaker but obviously ended up luckier than Robb in that regard), and so he kicked all their collective asses. But on paper, like Stannis right after whacking Renly but before the Tarlys & Loras destroyed the Florents' plot to subvert the Reachmen, they had good reason at the time to think their plan wasn't actually suicidal.
Then again, Stannis should've pressed on and defeated Loras and Randyll. Push the advantage and remove the Tyrells and Tarlys from the equation, or force them to surrender and submit. Make sure the Florents' plan succeeded, then Stannis can take a massive Reach-Stormlands army out to King's Landing, throw caution to the wind, batter down its walls in a land battle, or attack from the land and sea, with the Reachmen under the Florents attacking the city gates while the Baratheons at sea try to seize the mudgate on the shore. Tyrion can stop one, but not both, and they'd still have enough men to push Tywin back when he inevitably comes to reinforce Joffrey.
 
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