Zoomer Kiwi Central / Serious Gen Z Discussion - A place for Zoomers to have a discussion about the Gen Z and their future

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

I enjoy going out to bars to socialize

Bars can be fun but you always run the risk of interacting with a millennial. They get going on that Harry Potter and they just dont quit, especially after a couple of IPAs. Night ruiner.

Once I recognized that most people live off debt/credit, I realized that most people are just riding a fast hedonistic lifestyle. I think most people have tied their happiness to their job and consumption, so they are blind to broader issues and/or lack of meaning in their life.

I think most people are actually living paycheck to paycheck and are resorting to debt to afford groceries after bills take out most of their paycheck. Maybe if the future looked promising people would actually take care of themselves to be there, but until that changes I can't really blame them for indulging in creature comforts when basic needs like shelter and reproduction are more complicated than ever before.
If you look closely the fast-living hedonists are actually the scammers and the drug dealers who steal the money from other people and have no use for debt or cc's.

 

[Audit]

Well, at least zoomers aren't under the illusion that they're forever young, right? Dealing with midwit millennials in my life and it blows my mind. Mid 30's and they're talking as if they're still young. We're talking nonsense like "Oh, at 35 I'll start dating and settle down, but only if I meet a super great man." No career, no money, lots of issues in their lives, but they're still going on as if they're 21 and in undergrad still.

Like, jeez, I think of all the ways that I'm fucked up, but I'm quite a few years younger than these tards and at least I've got some things going for me. They've got.... an optimism that the future doesn't exist. They'll hit 40, look around, and then wonder why the people around them are all either fuckups like themselves or have kids and no longer want to interact with them. There's just no way to actually reach these people. They went to college, got infantilized, and refuse to accept that they're mentally immature for their age. We're talking people who decide to start a Ph.D program at age 30 and, when asked about jobs, reply that they can't even think about the job market when they graduate. Like, bitch, you'll be 35 with a Ph.D in the humanities. What do you mean you aren't thinking about jobs? You're unmarried with no money. What is your plan? Live, laugh, love. Don't tell me about how walkable the city you want to live in is. You don't even HAVE a job, let alone the choice to pick which city your niche graduate degree will find work in. No, I don't want to hear about how your friends got married after 40 and adopted dogs.

To borrow a white girlism, I literally can't even anymore. It defies all reason that so many people today exist in this weird, delusional haze of the present where any knowledge of the future is buried away to support the lunacy of today. The good things of life are being thrown in the bin. Instead of establishing a long term relationship and obtaining long term gainful employment, it's all about hunting for the passions of today. Move across the country to go to college and then complain about leaving all your old friends and family behind, why not? You really needed to follow your dreams, as monetarily valueless as they are. But, hey, you got to visit some foreign countries a few times with whatever money you scrounged up. Those experiences are infinitely more important that building anything with you life. No, I must be a fool. How dare I not recognize that your Ph.D in the humanities IS the most important thing that you possibly could build in your life. That piece of paper conferring a doctorate to you means that you are literally smarter and more important than those other people who just got married, work a job, and had some kids. Reject productivity. Embrace newer and more elaborate descriptions of pre-columbian civilizations. You will live on forever in the footnotes of whether or not the Aztecs actually believed human sacrifices kept the sun burning or if it was just a gayop they used to control the masses.

I swear millennials come in three flavors:

• early 1980's to 1988 - got into the pre-2008 housing market crash economy and probably scooped up a house on the cheap when gen x foreclosed. Rolled two 6's on life prospects and are presently ruining society by forming the basis of the hedonistic mainstream.
• 1989 to 1994 - entered the workforce after the 2008 crash. Eventually found their footing workwise in the relative calm of the pre-covid economy. Knew what social life was like before social media, dating apps, smartphones, and infinite niggers/DEI ruined it. These guys offer the actual worst life advice and should be ignored. They make up the bulk of redditors and tumblrettes.
• 1995 to w/e we decided zoomers start - Some of them got lucky enough to get work before infinite H1B jeets ruined the job market. They felt the loss of in-person interactions more than zoomers because they watched as smartphones and apps wrecked the world during the mid 2010's. They remember the world before DEI got mandated but entered into a job market where danger hair freaks and demonic liberals were ready to snuff them out in favor of reaching diversity quota. Hedonism is mixed in this crowd. Some are woke turbofaggots and others are ready to go full Uncle Ted after entering into a workforce of DEI and jeets. This is where the relationship crisis starts and continues to this day.

/rant about millennials.

I'm surrounded by retards, and I'm rapidly coming to the end conclusion that most colleges should be closed for the good of civilization. It's not quite indoctrination. It's just that college gives people a chance to delay becoming an adult, and thus lets them stay in a perpetual state of adolescence. I think this is what drives most of the retarded shit. It only seems to affect women more because they're way more likely to get retarded, useless degrees that necessitate getting more retarded, useless degrees to eventually hopefully gain the status to confer retarded, useless degrees. They don't even require competency tests to go to college anymore. Anyone willing to take on student loans/taxpayer gibmedats can go now. I swear limiting voting rights to married persons with children would be the most effective way to kill this shit (and also near completely remove the black vote).

The most functional people I know are religious fundamentalist types who got married in their early 20's. I don't care if you believe in any religion or not. Join a church with culty, conservative vibes. They seem to be shelters from lunacy. Can't promise you'll meet a spouse there, but you'll probably find people with hobbies that don't include protesting ICE and writing Helluva Boss slashfictions. Spend a few hours talking to college educated millennials and the present state of the Western world will make perfect sense.

 

[CEO of Gay]

I'm surrounded by retards, and I'm rapidly coming to the end conclusion that most colleges should be closed for the good of civilization. It's not quite indoctrination. It's just that college gives people a chance to delay becoming an adult, and thus lets them stay in a perpetual state of adolescence.

To hear my parents and my friends in the prior generation tell it, in the Before Times, one was expected to be an adult and have their shit together when attending college. I'm not sure when college completed its transition into an extension of the day care called high school, but thinking back on it now, the process was underway when I was in college. I have no idea what it is like for zoomers now.

 

[Two Hands]

To hear my parents and my friends in the prior generation tell it, in the Before Times, one was expected to be an adult and have their shit together when attending college. I'm not sure when college completed its transition into an extension of the day care called high school, but thinking back on it now, the process was underway when I was in college. I have no idea what it is like for zoomers now.

I currently attend college despite having lost my "why" years ago and being utterly disillusioned with the ROI, even in STEM. If education has been reduced to a means to an end, the only thing I'm seeing in return is a bill or debt. The curriculum is comically easy and teaches you nothing of value. The most enjoyable class I've had was history. Whatever bastion of community I had from high school is gone. The most you'll see are small cliques and those who have nothing better besides playing games all day on campus.

I wonder if I should've just enlisted with my buddy and called it a day.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Instead of establishing a long term relationship and obtaining long term gainful employment, it's all about hunting for the passions of today.

Counterpoint, it's hard to give a shit about this in a world that is constantly changing in ways to fuck you over.

If the hard work mantras were actually true, we wouldn't be seeing this to nearly the same degree. Everything is currently sliding and there is no guarantee you will be able to keep a job when Mr. Shekelstein can up and decide everything should be A.I., Mexicans or Indians. When Boomers and X have clogged up every top position and won't move. When HR is straight retarded and won't hire qualified people because they want their ego wanked. There are so many factors now that make establishing yourself a herculean task that I cannot blame people for just saying fuck it and trying to live a good life.

There are plenty of people that are the opposite of this that are equally as miserable and lost. They are trying to establish themselves in a market that rejects them, missing out on many opportunities and experiences to suffer the grind for the potential of moving ahead. There is no real good answer besides fixing the broken system on this one.

 

[General Zigger]

Have to agree with @Basic Blond Boy on the gainful employment argument, although I found the rest of your (@Audit) argument sound. Nowadays, what sort of "long term gainful employment" is there? Some of my peers have been laid off more times than my parents have had jobs, and with every new job practically meaning a cross country move, it becomes nearly impossible to maintain a community or network of friends/relationships. Sure, I could go work for $10 an hour at the local supermarket, and probably not get laid off, and get to stay in the local area I grew up in. But I shouldn't have to say why thats obviously a bad idea.

I think one thing I rarely see spoken about when people bring up the lack of dating or long term relationships is the over concentration of jobs in certain locations. If you and your partner have studied two separate subjects and the "market forces" have concentrated one of your jobs on the west coast and the other on the east coast, good luck trying to hold that relationship together. Contrasting that to my parents, my Mother worked in the medical field, and my Father was a STEM guy, not only were jobs more available in any location (IE: You didn't practically have to live in a specific city to practice your skills) costs were low enough that on a single income life went on just fine. For whatever reason in the current year, we just absolutely have to put our office in the highest cost of living cities in the US, and then bitch that no one wants to work for $50,000 a year at 60 hours a week so we need to import all of Hyderabad.

A second point I am starting to see is that companies now are requiring higher working hours on average than what the older generations had to do. Growing up, I always thought a salaried position was a M-F, 9-5 job (usually). Sure, there might be a product launch or some other big event that makes you work longer on some weeks, so thats why I say usually. But nowadays, most of my older friends who have graduated and are working salaried STEM positions are working 60 hour weeks at the minimum, some even going into the office on Saturdays. How can you start a family, or even find a potential spouse with that sort of constant work load? INB4 some blue collar or grind set glazer comes in and says they work 168 hours a week, like its some sort of own that our working conditions have just worsened over time from what our parents commonly had.

I think fixing the economic issues of our time would lead to vastly improved relationships and bringing the "eternal children" people to being productive members of society. Right now, a good life just isn't guaranteed even if you and your spouse are working two long term careers, and I think that stresses people out so much they opt out and turn into man-children or just climbing the bottom rungs of the ladder becomes an impossible task.

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

It's not a matter of finding a job anymore, finding anything beyond a Walmart or Mcdonalds is no longer even possible since past a certain point in the 21st century you can no longer get famous or rich by merit and only by bloodline, if you are associated with a Globalist group or a billionaire.

Most people who once held dreams already ditched them by covid.

The real question is will they survive the upcoming string of chaos and mass genocides storming worldwide. Think of every Communist Revolution in the 20th century combined but magnitudes worse. This is what waits at the end of the road for Gen Z and nobody's actually prepared for it.

My guess is it will not happen and there will be a massive generation gap between those who get out to the other side and those who cannot, and the other side of the tunnel is eternal anarchy and more chaos. Gen Z will undoubtedly become extinct if it really comes to "that".

 

[Joy Jay]

I currently attend college despite having lost my "why" years ago and being utterly disillusioned with the ROI, even in STEM. If education has been reduced to a means to an end, the only thing I'm seeing in return is a bill or debt. The curriculum is comically easy and teaches you nothing of value. The most enjoyable class I've had was history. Whatever bastion of community I had from high school is gone. The most you'll see are small cliques and those who have nothing better besides playing games all day on campus.

I wonder if I should've just enlisted with my buddy and called it a day.

I absolutely do not recommend college and if it weren't for the exceptional circumstance that I'm in I would absolutely not be in college myself. I won't get into too much detail but essentially as long as I keep up a good report card I can graduate essentially for free. Even then I put bare minimum effort into my work. I show up to classes, participate minimally, then leave. At home I get my homework done in advance, cram study for exams the day before, and still end up with all A's and B's because like you said classes are completely brainless so that the black people who are just there for the sports team can pass. Fun fact: my prime posting hours on this site are during class lectures.

I have no idea what I'm going to do after college. Hopefully I can land a job through nepotism via a friend of a friend or family member. Other than that I cannot see myself getting a career out of college and I'm not putting myself through the fruitless humiliation ritual of applying to 100's of jobs online just to end up with a 100% rejection rate. I've been increasingly working on my hobbies on the side but I can't imagine those going far enough for me to make a career out of them. I can still hope though.

 

[Audit]

The curriculum is comically easy and teaches you nothing of value.

The current university system has been dumbed down and optimized for maximum revenue. Professors are punished if they make courses hard, as this increases the failure rate and hurts the school ranking. Tenure track professors also get absolutely nothing whatsoever for putting effort into undergraduate education, so they eventually just stop bothering to care. Chances are they were asked to teach a course with no overlap with their research. The end result is paint-by-numbers courses that are easy to grade and easy to pass. You won't get student complaints if your course is an easy A. Personally, I want to divorce graduate and undergraduate studies as a way to fix this. Rank undergrad institutions based on their students' ability to find a job and, if relevant, their ability to enroll in competitive grad/med schools.

Between credential bloat and infinite jeets, this is why STEM degrees are losing their value.

I wonder if I should've just enlisted with my buddy and called it a day.

Honestly, it wouldn't have been a bad idea. You might've learned discipline and, if you're not retarded, would have had a chance to learn some technical skills. Vets get preferential hiring too.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

since past a certain point in the 21st century you can no longer get famous or rich by merit and only by bloodline, if you are associated with a Globalist group or a billionaire.

I dont think thats entirely true.
We’re learning that most traditional celebrities had to cover themselves in baby oil and suck a bunch of dicks to get where they are now.
Access to the right dicks to suck is admittedly dependent on whose crotch you came out of but new wave celebrities like The Rizzler and many youtube celebrities neither had bloodline nor merit. It was entirely dumb luck that people latched onto them.

The point remains the same. Dont count on being famous.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

I wonder if I should've just enlisted with my buddy and called it a day.

They would fuck you up and drop you when theyre done playa. The government hires its own medical experts to publish papers saying standing in a cloud of smoke coming from a trash fire covered in jet fuel doesn’t cause lung cancer.
Those guys that enlisted during a war and lost a limb quick and got out with a paycheck got it easier than the people who spent years on a base just to come home and get told by a doctor that they have black spots in their xrays in their 30s. Literally everything on base is a carcinogen, including the air.



(Doublepost swag)

 

[Attempt Turd]

There was one fella I was told about who made around $26 an hour and had been there for 6 years. He got offered a job at Amazon to fix their planes as a direct hire for $41 an hour. He asked management for a $6 raise, and they refused. You can guess what decision he made. The person that took his place was of course, less experienced, and was paid less.
If they just paid the guy they already had, who had 6 years of experience just a little more, which would even then have only made his pay reach the industry average, they would have retained the talent, and still paid him essentially dirt given what his skills were worth, but they chose to get rid of that highly skilled worker, in favor of a lower skill but cheaper (at $24 an hour) guy.
That story is a microcosm of why I say companies do not want highly skilled workers. We see above, even when faced with a great opportunity to keep good talent, and underpay them at the same time, they will still always choose the cheaper option, even if it is of lower quality. To expand it to a wider scale, as I mentioned previously, the company has a massive issue with constantly damaging airplanes, to the point that multiple customers reduced the planes they bring in, or left entirely, and its not very hard to not damage them. You can tell the quality (and pay) that they consistently seek out and choose.

I work for at least what at least used to be a decent unit for a decent company. I busted my ass and I got rewarded for it. I'm still somewhat busting my ass but have stopped getting rewarded for it. It is also maybe just that I'm higher on the scale so the progression is slower but also new managment lying to my face. Took a new role got the whole spiel about being junior in the new role so the step up isn't that large but now you have a new ceiling and room to grow and then my next raise was about 1/3 of last years inflation and with compound inflation puts me right back in the purchasing power I had in the previous role. "Hard times for everyone, current economic circumstances and so on and so forth" Fuck you, pay me.

Anyways, someone competent in another department was quitting and I asked them, did you say you got a new offer and ask them for a raise to parity or slightly less. Yeah, no that manager has a rule about not matching counter offers.

Another person in another company worked about two levels above what they were hired foe. With some decent bonuses sure, but the base pay was shit. There was an opening two steps up. Apply for that position and get the answer that it's against conpany policy to promote like that internally. They hire someone incompetent with the right title externally. So person gets fed up and apply for another company with just below double the base pay. They ask for the current employer to go at least 80% of the new offer. Sorry, it's against conpany policy to give a raise like that for the current title. So of course they quit.

I think this explains about 80% of the "competency crisis".

 

[Jarch6]

I am getting turbo blackpilled when it comes to higher education friends. Power level but I just saw a student who had 516k in loans, and they are 25. They are so beyond fucked wtf? What are we even doing anymore

At that point I’d just debtmaxx or leave the country and never pay it like that one negress who went to China.

I think many of them just defaulted into it because it was an easy low risk option. Apply for jobs is scary and confronting to some.

Procrastinating adulthood, true for the appeal of college in general. Ah good times.

 

[chromatic_oxygen]

I wonder if I should've just enlisted with my buddy and called it a day.

@Spaced Outside Cargo is 100% on the money.

I enlisted in the Navy as an engineering rate. I'll never forget how we had a suspected refrigerant leak in one of the AC plants on the ship once. Refrigerant is odorless and colourless and will kill you real quick.

Instead of shutting down the plant, of which we had multiple, they decided to keep it running, handed the people physically roving the ACs (busy work to make sure they were running, instead of having it all be controlled remotely which makes infinitely more sense) a sniffer and told us to just hope that we don't die.

 

[Two Hands]

Honestly, it wouldn't have been a bad idea. You might've learned discipline and, if you're not retarded, would have had a chance to learn some technical skills. Vets get preferential hiring too.

Funny you mention technical skills, I attended a vo-tech high school intending to go into CS, instead I stuck with blue collar work for my four years there. Had a vet as our instructor. Friends and I competed in state competitions with one of them winning twice and a full-ride scholarship to a trade school.

Last time we got together, even he had trouble getting employed with that as a credential. Other one lost his job despite having more work experience than us.

 

[Adolf Kitler]

Being 18 and trying to get a job is so fucking depressing, all the entry level jobs I want to work in are taken by jeets and spics who can't barely speak the language but apparently I can't because "I'm too young" and "I don't have enough experience"

The worst part of all this is having to hear my boomer ass dad who watches cable TV all day and thinks that I'm a failure constantly complaining about me being unable to get a fucking job despite being always sending resumes everywhere I can and doing a lot of interviews, it genuinely makes me want to kill myself, I hate this fucking world and timeline so much chuds... .

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Being 18 and trying to get a job is so fucking depressing, all the entry level jobs I want to work in are taken by jeets and spics who can't barely speak the language but apparently I can't because "I'm too young" and "I don't have enough experience"

The worst part of all this is having to hear my boomer ass dad who watches cable TV all day and thinks that I'm a failure constantly complaining about me being unable to get a fucking job despite being always sending resumes everywhere I can and doing a lot of interviews, it genuinely makes me want to kill myself, I hate this fucking world and timeline so much chuds... .

as someone who's been there, just keep going. I'm not saying it's going to immediately work out......but it is my sincere hope that 7-8 years from now, you'll look back and say "wow, look at how far I've come". It's rough for us out here.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

The worst part of all this is having to hear my boomer ass dad who watches cable TV all day and thinks that I'm a failure constantly complaining about me being unable to get a fucking job despite being always sending resumes everywhere I can and doing a lot of interviews, it genuinely makes me want to kill myself, I hate this fucking world and timeline so much chuds... .

Idk if it helps at all but even senior level applicants are having a hard time getting into those entry level jobs.
Idk what kind of job youre looking for but if i could go back to 18 I’d seduce an heiress to a wealthy family or switch careers to something more stable like content creation instead of whatever tf im doing rn.

 

[Adolf Kitler]

Idk if it helps at all but even senior level applicants are having a hard time getting into those entry level jobs.
Idk what kind of job youre looking for but if i could go back to 18 I’d seduce an heiress to a wealthy family or switch careers to something more stable like content creation instead of whatever tf im doing rn.

I'm interested in working in a grocery/department store, fast food restaurant or as a waiter.

 

[Althalus]

I'm interested in working in a grocery/department store, fast food restaurant or as a waiter.

This might be just my areas specifically, but bars in particular seem to always have plenty of bartenders, while always wanting to hire cooks.

And it might sound funny, but physically go to the places you want to apply to, and look at the ethnic makeup of the people working there. Some places are mostly white, some mostly hispanic, some mostly pajeet.

I say this because I have a friend who is half-human half-hispanic, he got a job at a grocery store because he put his ethnicity as hispanic in a store where most employees were hispanic. He is fairly white-passing, but he swears up and down that the management only gave him an interview because he listed himself as hispanic.

Even today in 2026 some restaurants are the same way- some are mostly staffed by white men or white women, some places mostly black or hispanic, and they hire accordingly.

Also try applying to local/non-chain businesses, the pay is usually worse but in my experience they are less picky about who they hire as long as you yourself are also local.