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That's an enlightening perspective. "Overqualification" was always a thing but i wonder how many smaller studios look for applicants that are specifically just good enough to do the job, but are otherwise completely unhireable by a larger company just so they don't get the better offer somewhere else?
I guess the incentives for doing so match pretty well with the incentives for H1B workers, though.
Every dollar you don't spend on labor is another dollar you can add to your bottom line as the owner of a small business. No one is as stingy as a small business owner. The big corpo bosses aren't losing sleep at night because of payroll. They lose sleep if the line doesn't go up and their annual performance bonus isn't paid out. If you want to get paid well, find a corpo job.
 
As a zoomer. I'm seeing these millennials around me and I'm thinking "how the hell are you happy with your life?" Sure, they're able to afford the basic bills and some nice amenities, but that's it. They don't have good friends or partners, or a good connection with their parents because millennials are "rebellious" (in reality they're just conforming to the degenerate status quo). All they have is hedonistic crap.

The millennials I personally know have worked unfulfilling, boring jobs their entire lives and they brag about it. They speak about their job history with pride; "Look how busy I am! Working since I was 12!" But even when they have some sort of career path figured out, they're still living this hedonistic life with nothing going on.

The millennial girls I personally know love education like its the only purpose in their life. Chasing degree after degree while their parent complain, "where's our grandchildren?"
I know one millennial girl who finally decided to pursue full-time education while also doing part-time work. And she's doing great with grades and seems to be finding work related to her field. But its not like that fixed her life or granted her fulfillment. She's still incredibly neurotic to the point where she can't conduct any decision without Chatgpt or her mother consoling her. So mentally ill...

And I know several millennial guys who can only afford rental apartments and have shitty relationships. Even the ones with "good" relationships don't have families and are busy-bodies with no time on their hands; replacing a proper family with a restless dog... And even when these guys tell me they're "fulfilled and happy" I can see in their eyes how tired and broken they are after working these shit jobs their entire life since childhood.

How do we get out of this cycle of discontent that the millenials have fallen into? I've learned from the older generation that majority of us zoomers, whether man or woman, will just become tired, delusional consumers who pretend they're happy and put together. What a dreary future.
 
Chasing degree after degree while their parent complain, "where's our grandchildren?"
Degree stacking is a genuine psychological issue similar to “failure to launch” but if you base your fulfillment on having kids you’re going to burn out super hard by your late 20s when you realize that your parents had you so young because their home was affordable on truck driver income and there was literally nothing else to do.
Idc if it’s “just like idiocracy”, popping out 3+ kids without thinking about if theyre going to be eating PB&J for dinner every night is crack den behavior.
I dislike millennials for a lot of reasons but in my late 20s i see their perspective on this specifically, especially when my teacher friends tell me about all the kids who wear the same clothes for five years and have a CPS worker and the kids who dont because their parents are older.
 
As a zoomer. I'm seeing these millennials around me and I'm thinking "how the hell are you happy with your life?" Sure, they're able to afford the basic bills and some nice amenities, but that's it. They don't have good friends or partners, or a good connection with their parents because millennials are "rebellious" (in reality they're just conforming to the degenerate status quo). All they have is hedonistic crap.
This isn't millennial or even zoomer specific. The phenomenon you're looking to describe is rootless cosmopolitan. If you have a well paying job that permits you to engage in hedonism or buy a house, chances are you moved far from home and keep moving every few years. It annihilates your social circles each time and leaves you constantly scrambling for new friends and limits your ability to carefully pick a spouse over an extended courtship period. Hedonism is what you can carry with you.

The millennials I personally know have worked unfulfilling, boring jobs their entire lives and they brag about it. They speak about their job history with pride; "Look how busy I am! Working since I was 12!" But even when they have some sort of career path figured out, they're still living this hedonistic life with nothing going on.
People have always identified with their work. It creates your identity and purpose within the community. Contrary to doomer opinions, people need to work or they rot away. Old people lose their mental abilities not too long after they lose their purpose in life. Young people without jobs just rot in place and aimlessly stand around (or play video games) like jeets and other unemployed third worlders. Having a job you're proud of is an actual achievement that well adjusted people are eager to share because it establishes their value to the collective. Zoomers are still too young to have reached their stride as a generation. You'll find the generation splitting into failures and the successful soon enough, no different than the millennials before them.

The millennial girls I personally know love education like its the only purpose in their life. Chasing degree after degree while their parent complain, "where's our grandchildren?"
I know one millennial girl who finally decided to pursue full-time education while also doing part-time work. And she's doing great with grades and seems to be finding work related to her field. But its not like that fixed her life or granted her fulfillment. She's still incredibly neurotic to the point where she can't conduct any decision without Chatgpt or her mother consoling her. So mentally ill...
Women have always been obsessed with social status seeking. Millennial women were heavily propagandized into believing that getting any college degree would confer status and importance to them. Consequently, a large chunk of this demographic is now saddled with college debt, a useless degree, and 10 years of wasted youth. Even if they find a job in their field, women aren't retarded and, while they won't publicly acknowledge it, are well aware of what was taken from them. Those missing years were supposed to have been spent building a relationship and establishing a home, things that are rather hard to do when you're career-maxxing. The older you get the more you realize a career is empty if you come home to an empty house or to a spouse you loathe. This emptiness is being filled with pets by millennials, but these things will always be inferior to healthy human relations.

And I know several millennial guys who can only afford rental apartments and have shitty relationships. Even the ones with "good" relationships don't have families and are busy-bodies with no time on their hands; replacing a proper family with a restless dog... And even when these guys tell me they're "fulfilled and happy" I can see in their eyes how tired and broken they are after working these shit jobs their entire life since childhood.
Dating is hard in a world where physical interactions were replaced by apps. Millennial, and now zoomer, men don't get a lot of choice with women. You take what's available to you and hope they're not too crazy. See prior, rootless cosmopolitans forced to career-max to get a non-shit job in the modern economy infested by H1B's, outsourcing, and DEI will get pets to fill the void that family and friends were supposed to fill. Unaffordable housing is a consequence of the 2-income trap and subsequent marriage rate collapse more than anything else. You live in a shoebox apartment because you have one income and are competing against old fucks and more socially successful people with 2 incomes. Also, buying a home doesn't make sense if you expect to move every 3 years to get a better job because it's the only way to get a real raise.

How do we get out of this cycle of discontent that the millenials have fallen into? I've learned from the older generation that majority of us zoomers, whether man or woman, will just become tired, delusional consumers who pretend they're happy and put together. What a dreary future.
Millennials are just products of their time and a society waging war against them. End all immigration. Deport immigrants. Banish all DEI advocates to Somalia. Kill degree bloat by changing college funding mechanisms. Kill dating apps and social media. Invest serious money and social capital into restoring in-person interactions via massive propaganda campaigns, community events, and nationalism.
 
Chasing degree after degree while their parent complain, "where's our grandchildren?"
I know one millennial girl who finally decided to pursue full-time education while also doing part-time work. And she's doing great with grades and seems to be finding work related to her field. But its not like that fixed her life or granted her fulfillment. She's still incredibly neurotic to the point where she can't conduct any decision without Chatgpt or her mother consoling her. So mentally ill...
Being fair, degrees lost value after Gen X given the fact that now everyone goes for degrees. A Bachelor’s may as well be a high school diploma in current year, if not worse. Degree stacking should theoretically place one in a better position for job opportunities, especially in the bloated landscape of Bachelors.

Only issue is that companies have long since stopped caring about credentials, a hard pill to swallow for most Americans. Everything is now based on a quarterly basis of what makes the most short-term profit, so cheap labor, regardless of quality, is the norm. Sucks for young Americans now plagued with ridiculous housing/apartment costs, yet entering fields paying well below necessary to really live independently.

Sounds optimistic, but I think we will see some pushes this year to balance things again. 2025 sucked, but something tells me it was a good set up for this year to really launch.
 
I've learned from the older generation that majority of us zoomers, whether man or woman, will just become tired, delusional consumers who pretend they're happy and put together.
Fix one of those problems and the others become less bad. Work less or rest more and you won't need to put in as much effort to keep the delusion as means of staying happy and you won't need to consume as much to be fake happy. Find real meaning and you will only work and consume to maintain yourself. Stop consuming soo much garbage and you'll have either more time to find meaning or need to work less to sustain yourself.

A revolution may or may not happen but instead of basing your life of what may happen you can always do things yourself for yourself.
 
I hope 2026 goes well for everyone here. 2025 was a shit show but at least I did well academically. My goal is to make 2026 the year where I start to get serious about the creative endeavors I always wanted to make time for but always failed in the past.
 
The abysmal job market is why I am starting my own companies this year. Im lucky enough to have solid international connections in emerging markets where you don't need $500k-1 mil in capital to start things. Everyone in the US is too litigious, gay and retarded to work with. My finance degree from a good university is worth jack shit apparently to companies since they can replace analysts with AI or jeets who can scam them in Mumbai.

Trying to job hop has stopped working since the hiring slowdown and this is with networking. WSJ was just talking about the slowdown in the labor markets this year. Trump is trying to rectify affordability, but Im not waiting around for comrade Trump to, maybe, be the savior for the middle class. Deportations and prosecuting political fraud will help, but its going to another 6 months to a year before we see downstream effects from it.

It wouldn't be so bad if the cost of living and rent wasn't so high, but I am not putting my capital in the US where my taxes can be used to fund Somali welfare fraud where gibs are being used to buy democrat votes freely to people who hate us and replace us. Im not paying into a system that won't exist for me just so boomers can live longer in a nice house. Im sick of paying $20 for a slop bowl thats 2 labels removed from animal feed. Enough of my rant, but Im very much fed up with the US quality of life and living these days. I think it will eventually get better, but Im not waiting around for anyone to save me.
 
One problem I have a zoomie, and this builds on the whole "where do I hang out" problem, is that the people who are are actually going out and gathering are drug users.

If I go to my downtown the bars are full of genX and boomers, the clubs are filled with older millennials, and the zoomers shamble in and out of smoke shops and specialized hippie kava stops. If you do drugs, it's not so bad because everyone is always having some spiritual bonfire.
 
I've recently visited a local bouldering gym, it was packed to the roof with zoomers and millenial me & my friend were about 10-15 years older than almost everyone around.
Most of the people were more sitting around than climbing (one gets tired fast anyway and needs a lot of rest). Guess it's popular, because unlike the climbing with rope, one doesn't need the second person, there is lower skill & equipment threshold and it doesn't scare off those with fear of heights. And there is more place to just sit around the entire afternoon, talk and watch others' effort, and casually start a conversation with someone random.
Too bad that apart from the age issue, I strongly prefer the rope & heights.
 
Degree stacking is a genuine psychological issue similar to “failure to launch” but if you base your fulfillment on having kids you’re going to burn out super hard by your late 20s when you realize that your parents had you so young because their home was affordable on truck driver income and there was literally nothing else to do.
Idc if it’s “just like idiocracy”, popping out 3+ kids without thinking about if theyre going to be eating PB&J for dinner every night is crack den behavior.
I dislike millennials for a lot of reasons but in my late 20s i see their perspective on this specifically, especially when my teacher friends tell me about all the kids who wear the same clothes for five years and have a CPS worker and the kids who dont because their parents are older.
one of my aunts literally collects degrees of every type like they're Pokémon. she has a fucking LAW degree just to better integrate herself in a niche thing that 99% of people don't care about. it's not like she's in a shitty apartment in a shitty neighborhood either. literal mansion.

meanwhile I'm about to end it all because of a Bachelor's on the literal bottom of the totem pole of STEM:suffering:
 
What do you like to create?
I'd like to make a video game, my education and background has always been programming, so the art side of things is challenging. But I always seem to fail at time management and jump on other projects too quickly. Setting a schedule would certainly help, if I could somehow build the habit of sticking to the schedule.

The abysmal job market is why I am starting my own companies this year.
I hope you have good luck, I am starting to see the same signs as my graduation approaches (STEM field), I am thinking of moving but I am not sure where to go. It seems like companies have entirely abandoned the idea of hiring American workers here.
 
There's one moment during secondary school (high school) that I still remember. There was this tall, autistic brown kid who was popular with the other kids. He barely even spoke and spent a lot of time studying. Looking back now, he was treated more like a pet than anything else. Anyway, I was walking behind him while 2 other kids were speaking to him, and when he left to go to his lockers, they immediately shit talked him, "Does he realise he has no friends?" and the other kid smirked. That moment made me realise that a lot of people who are supposedly your friends, will disrespect you behind your back. Back then I was confused why he was popular, he wasn't a class clown or a jock, he was a freak to everyone else.
 
That moment made me realise that a lot of people who are supposedly your friends, will disrespect you behind your back.
And that never changes, you will always spot people in your workplace who act like high schoolers. There are still friendship cliques that drive social dynamics, and you'll always have those excluded for seemingly no reason at all. However, you have to play these games if you ever want to climb the workplace ladder. Refusing to play them just leaves you as the bottom bitch forever.
 
Did he even do anything to warrant being treated like that?
Kids are just assholes. I was also a dick back then; I just didn't know any better. One time after school, I left my bike on the wall and one the kids, a grade lower than me tampered with my bike and when I rode off, the front tire released from my bike and I fell onto the pavement, fracturing my shoulder. If I fell crossing a busy road I could've died. I wasn't mad about it; but rather glad I didn't have to do P.E (sports) cause I'm a lazy bastard. Apparently none of the cameras were working but I didn't care at that point.
 
As a zoomer. I'm seeing these millennials around me and I'm thinking "how the hell are you happy with your life?" Sure, they're able to afford the basic bills and some nice amenities, but that's it. They don't have good friends or partners, or a good connection with their parents because millennials are "rebellious" (in reality they're just conforming to the degenerate status quo). All they have is hedonistic crap.
Once I recognized that most people live off debt/credit, I realized that most people are just riding a fast hedonistic lifestyle. I think most people have tied their happiness to their job and consumption, so they are blind to broader issues and/or lack of meaning in their life.


I really am burned out already from working but I am generally positive because I just spend as much time as possible in my free time reading, walking, and praying/going to church. I recommend that to people, church is good :D
 
One problem I have a zoomie, and this builds on the whole "where do I hang out" problem, is that the people who are are actually going out and gathering are drug users.

If I go to my downtown the bars are full of genX and boomers, the clubs are filled with older millennials, and the zoomers shamble in and out of smoke shops and specialized hippie kava stops. If you do drugs, it's not so bad because everyone is always having some spiritual bonfire.
I enjoy going out to bars to socialize, and I've found that I actually enjoy pool somewhat. I've considered joining a pool league but I know bars and billiards aren't exactly favorite activities for zoomers, which is a shame because socially drinking is genuinely pretty fun so long as you aren't getting wasted constantly like WorldOfTShirts.

In my experience I've found that meeting people at concerts/music festivals and book clubs has worked out best for me. The worst part about each group is that you're gonna run into some annoying woke types but they make themselves obvious.

The book club I go to goes out for dinner and drinks afterwards and some of us are going to another member's house for dinner and board games later this month. Meeting people at concerts and music festivals has basically given me a network of friends all over the country.
 
Being a solitary zoomer has never bothered me. Sure I feel lonely sometimes but it doesn't hurt me. I like being alone. I've never had to adhere to social pressures, never vaped, never had the stupid broccoli hair. I don't speak in ebonics either. I know it's cringe to be #notlikeotherzoomers but I don't feel like a zoomer anymore. I haven't been to a fast food restaurant in years, I like cooking. The more times you cook, it becomes a part of your life. Anyone can cook, it just takes persistence and consistency.

@Relinquish creating this thread adds a sombre tone. I hope he left the forum, or maybe he's forced to fight since he's Russian. I suppose we'll never know what happened to him, and maybe it's best we don't know.
 
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