War Trump says Venezuela's Maduro captured after strikes - The U.S. has accused Maduro of running a "narco-state" and rigging an election.

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WASHINGTON, Jan 3 (Reuters) - The U.S. has struck Venezuela and captured its President Nicolas Maduro, who has been taken out of the country, President Donald Trump said on Saturday.

The U.S. has not made such a direct intervention in Latin America since the invasion of Panama in 1989 to depose military leader Manuel Noriega.

"The United States of America has successfully carried out a large scale strike against Venezuela and its leader, President Nicolas Maduro, who has been, along with his wife, captured and flown out of the country," Trump said in a Truth Social post.

There was no immediate confirmation from the Venezuelan government.

The U.S. has accused Maduro of running a "narco-state" and rigging an election. The Venezuelan leader, who succeeded Hugo Chavez to take power in 2013, has said Washington wants to take control of its oil reserves, the largest in the world.

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Residents in the captial, Caracas, reported hearing multiple explosions, particularly near Fort Tiuna, a major military installation in the city’s south.

Unverified footage appears to show large fires at 3 separate locations.

The cause of the explosions remains unknown at this time.

 
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Tasty Tatty said:
For all of you saying that Venezuela would end up like Haiti, Maduro's VP, Delcy Rodríguez, already took power as president and is talking with Rubio to surrender and accept Trump's conditions.

According to sources, the reason Trump is sending US presence there is because they know nobody respects her, as she's part of the old regime, yet still needed to keep continuity. Looks like she might still be in power for the time being.

Also, this intervention was made with the actual president knowing and approving.
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I'm more thinking it ends up like Iraq than Haiti.
 
Maker's Mark said:
Serious question: Is anything Trump has done recently, especially capturing and extraditing Maduro even legal? I've been seeing people freaking out about the legality of what is going on. But does it even matter? It's America.
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Bush sent the US AG on The Daily Show to explain why torturing Iraqi prisoners was legal and nothing ever came of it. I'm entirely sure that even if this is illegal, a law will be quickly written or rewritten that makes it legal. Because, as you say, it doesn't matter. It's America.
 
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Reuters put out this video showing the reactions of Venezuelans to American actions in the country:

Shock, concern and celebration: Venezuelans react to US strikes​

 
Tasty Tatty said:
For all of you saying that Venezuela would end up like Haiti, Maduro's VP, Delcy Rodríguez, already took power as president and is talking with Rubio to surrender and accept Trump's conditions.

According to sources, the reason Trump is sending US presence there is because they know nobody respects her, as she's part of the old regime, yet still needed to keep continuity. Looks like she might still be in power for the time being.

Also, this intervention was made with the actual president knowing and approving.
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Keeping the VP of the old regime is a good sign, one of the major mistakes with Iraq was that we got rid of all the Ba’athist bureaucracy and didn’t have much to replace it, meaning that we essentially got rid of most semblances of governance. Meanwhile, there were a bunch of disaffected local elites that just got fired and needed something to bring their former power back, so they started the Iraqi insurgency, which was the actual deadly part of the war that heavily reduced American morale and embarrassed ourselves on the world stage, not the initial part where we deposed Saddam within 3 months and pulled off another Desert Storm. Adopting a softer and more gradual transition that placates most of the socialist bureaucrats while getting rid of the few really bad apples helps ensure that nation building in Venezuela ends up more like nation building in Japan and less like the forever war quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Breadbassket said:
Reuters put out this video showing the reactions of Venezuelans to American actions in the country:

Shock, concern and celebration: Venezuelans react to US strikes​

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Don't worry. Redditors will take the mantle and be offended in their behalf.
 
Breadbassket said:
Reuters put out this video showing the reactions of Venezuelans to American actions in the country:

Shock, concern and celebration: Venezuelans react to US strikes​

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If SEBIN did not exist, people would be doing parades

Nigger Cobson said:
Keeping the VP of the old regime is a good sign, one of the major mistakes with Iraq was that we got rid of all the Ba’athist bureaucracy and didn’t have much to replace it, meaning that we essentially got rid of most semblances of governance. Meanwhile, there were a bunch of disaffected local elites that just got fired and needed something to bring their former power back, so they started the Iraqi insurgency, which was the actual deadly part of the war that heavily reduced American morale and embarrassed ourselves on the world stage, not the initial part where we deposed Saddam within 3 months and pulled off another Desert Storm. Adopting a softer and more gradual transition that placates most of the socialist bureaucrats while getting rid of the few really bad apples helps ensure that nation building in Venezuela ends up more like nation building in Japan and less like the forever war quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The most logical step forward is to just get a resource deal, and let the current Chavista goverment stay. Maximum profit, no risk. The socialists get to keep power, and the US gets oil, and an expanding of their sphere of influence.
 
Breadbassket said:
Shock, concern and celebration:
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A lot of people in Venezuela are freaked out, tbh. They either can't believe it or they don't know how to not be afraid. It's a big contrast with how the people outside are partying.

I don't think they will rebel as many here claim. They're broken and they aren't naturally violent. They still are very afraid.
 
project_thorne said:
According to the ICJ, no. In the Arrest Warrant of 11 April 2000 case, it was ruled that sitting leaders have diplomatic immunity and cannot be charged in a foreign country's court based on foreign laws.
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Uh oh, the ICJ! There will surely be consequences now! :cunningpepe:
 
Maker's Mark said:
Serious question: Is anything Trump has done recently, especially capturing and extraditing Maduro even legal? I've been seeing people freaking out about the legality of what is going on. But does it even matter? It's America.
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I think it's arguable both ways, although there's an intersection of a number of different applicable doctrines. The first is sovereign immunity, which generally prohibits such actions. However, there are some exceptions, like genocide, piracy, and terrorism. This is essentially treating Maduro as a narcoterrorist whose deliberate flood of drugs into the United States could even be classified as an act of war.

The only foreign entity that could theoretically do anything about it (other than some country going to war with us) would be the United Nations Security Council under Article 42, and we have veto power on that so it can't happen, and has not happened since the Korean War and then only because Russia boycotted the proceedings, a mistake they will never make again.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
I don't think they will rebel as many here claim. They're broken and they aren't naturally violent. They still are very afraid.
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I think Venezuela has been a commie shithole since I was born, it's a big fucking change. I can't remember much of the Chavez regime but I can't remember a time where they weren't constantly fucked.
 
Mound Dweller said:
It isn't exactly a hypothetical, it does in fact happen every so often.
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It's a fallow field alright, can't wait to see what shining example will be erected out of the rubble, mission accomplished!
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They were armed retard.

Tasty Tatty said:
For all of you saying that Venezuela would end up like Haiti, Maduro's VP, Delcy Rodríguez, already took power as president and is talking with Rubio to surrender and accept Trump's conditions.

According to sources, the reason Trump is sending US presence there is because they know nobody respects her, as she's part of the old regime, yet still needed to keep continuity. Looks like she might still be in power for the time being.

Also, this intervention was made with the actual president knowing and approving.
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If she’s on her best behavior the President what’s her name may keep her around.
 
Stunner900 said:
They were armed retard.
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Marchesa of the Vast said:
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but that does not actually depict unarmed insurgents.
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If you "people" think the definitive example of "angry mob burns down government building" doesn't count because some of them stole muskets in the process then you're kinda missing the point.
 
Delcy is on TV doing the "we've been invaded!" routine, while also telling people to be quiet and unite.

The fact she's not being arrested as she is not the legal VP (as Maduro was not the legal president) puts any theory of invading and killing to die.
 
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