💬 Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Aunt Carol]

If his leftist "trans-affirming sex-positive" friends tell him that there's "nothing wrong" with being a degenerate, then he could relapse into his porn addiction and not tell you about it. His friends might even convince him that you're the bad guy for being an evil sex-negative transphobe.

This is a big risk with the trans community. Like a more traditional cult, they love-bomb with support for any fetish or bad habit as being part of your "true self," and then you have the 24/7 Discord helpline of troons reassuring any time the target falters, and telling them of course you don't share any of this with the unsaved your family/girlfriend.

The most dangerous part is that none of this is planned; there's no giant conspiracy. It just happens naturally and instinctively, the way ant lions "know" to dig a pit in loose dirt.

 

[Paper Machete]

So he's into weeb stuff, games that attract trannies, had a porn addiction previously, has those types of friends, they're calling him an egg and etc.

Girl, run.

I don't want to be one of those Reddit tier "HE DID SOMETHING YOU VAGUELY DISLIKED?? DIVORCE RAPE DIVORCE RAPE DIVORCE RAPE!!" people but he's showing pretty much all the classic signs of an imminent troon out. You shouldn't treat this as a mere difference in beliefs anymore but rather a choice between living with a tranny vs. not.

I will also say that people will lie about past problems being in the past all the time. It's a way to drop your guard. Because he's "honest" about it and has gauged how you responded, if anything comes up that's old or is minor in the now he can just brush it off as something he's already gotten behind or a little temptation that he ultimately "overcame". If he's engaged with the type of stuff he is and the type of people he is I will be 100% honest I do not truly believe he's past using porn at all. Anyone vaguely savvy with computers can easily hide the stuff they're doing by using other devices, hidden apps, removing history, etc. Unless you're tech savvy yourself and now the signs to look for it'll look completely clean from the surface.

Again, we're just people on the internet providing our outside perspective based on information you've volunteered. Your life choices are up to you. I wouldn't fuck with weeb TRAs that have issues with porn. It's like the perfected recipe for making a tranny.

 

[Protistology]

So he's into weeb stuff, games that attract trannies, had a porn addiction previously, has those types of friends, they're calling him an egg and etc.

Girl, run.

I don't want to be one of those Reddit tier "HE DID SOMETHING YOU VAGUELY DISLIKED?? DIVORCE RAPE DIVORCE RAPE DIVORCE RAPE!!" people but he's showing pretty much all the classic signs of an imminent troon out. You shouldn't treat this as a mere difference in beliefs anymore but rather a choice between living with a tranny vs. not.

I will also say that people will lie about past problems being in the past all the time. It's a way to drop your guard. Because he's "honest" about it and has gauged how you responded, if anything comes up that's old or is minor in the now he can just brush it off as something he's already gotten behind or a little temptation that he ultimately "overcame". If he's engaged with the type of stuff he is and the type of people he is I will be 100% honest I do not truly believe he's past using porn at all. Anyone vaguely savvy with computers can easily hide the stuff they're doing by using other devices, hidden apps, removing history, etc. Unless you're tech savvy yourself and now the signs to look for it'll look completely clean from the surface.

Again, we're just people on the internet providing our outside perspective based on information you've volunteered. Your life choices are up to you. I wouldn't fuck with weeb TRAs that have issues with porn. It's like the perfected recipe for making a tranny.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, eats like a duck, swims like a duck and has feathers like a duck, it's your boyfriend.

 

[Foundinglaunderer]

I had a friend who used /lgbt/ and hung out on fag discords , his parents (specifically his mom) where super controlling and really wouldn't give him any breathing room. Which probably added to why he became a troon. He was extremely socially awkward that was another thing and it slowly degraded over time. Like most young guys started with him just wanting to be a femboy than as he visited /lgbt/ became more overtime. Frankly I do miss him but I've moved on...

 

[jray4559]

Yeah the parenting thing is my biggest concern tbh. We're both on the fence about kids. We've talked and we agree on most aspects of how we'd raise them. He said he doesn't want to push gender ideology on them or anything political in general. We wouldn't care if the kid grew up and naturally realized they were gay or something. But I would not allow my kid to troon out. And that's something I don't know if he'd follow through on or not. I know in his mind he'd be thinking he's doing what's best for the kid when obviously it isn't. It's the same way with me; even with the KF thing.

I'll jump on the train and say you probably should seriously consider looking for another guy. Especially if you wanna have kids.

Do you want to be one of the many examples of couples that hum perfectly along until their 13-year-old son says "Dad I think I'm trans!" Do you trust him to say "No, you're not, you're just a oddball and that's okay?" Because him seeing trans communities in a positive light means that chances are high he goes the other way and pushes to start the hormones and tap-dancing around his emotions. You will fight him to death on it, and even if he chooses to bite the bullet and accept your view on it, (he probably won't) the strain means that your marriage is effectively over anyway.

Both of you are autistic. Autism is mostly hereditary. There is a non-zero chance that, with your kid having a good chance of getting autism, that this scenario will eventually come to pass. Of course this isn't even counting the idea of his "rediscovering himself" and turning tranny, which other people here have already talked about.

But yeah. Obviously the foundation of our relationship is deeper than politics, liking the same vidya and so on when I talk about how compatible we are, but no one wants to hear me endlessly wax poetic about that. I do think he has a similar mindset to me in that he would rather just make peace to stay together rather than let politics ruin things. Without going into detail from what he's been through in the past and how he's acted, I worry that he would compromise on his own values just to stay with me if it came down to it, which I don't want him to have to do either. I just don't know what's best for either of us.

When someone is committed on moral beliefs like these, it's not the kind of thing that goes away easily, really the only way is for them to be bullied and isolated out of them. This won't happen with your guy because he has friends that will constantly drag him into those groups and feed him supporting messages. I'm gonna bring up politics here, not to sperg, but because it shows how people refuse to change their ways:

Remember the Virginia elections this year? There was the huge deal about the Jay Jones texts, where he basically hoped that a Republican's kids would die, and openly joking about shooting him given the choice. Not just allegations, proven texts that tons and tons of people saw, it was a giant firestorm. Election time comes around, and you'd think that awful behavior would turn people away from Jones, right?

Democrats won both of the major elections there, the Govenor with 57%, and Jay Jones, the guy who wanted to kill people, still got 53%. Only a 4% drop, because they hated the other side's views that much.

You want him to see the light, but the fact of the matter is he probably will not. You'll be hiding your beliefs from him for the rest of your life. You won't be able to talk to him about society at-large, and it will eventually get to you. We're getting more polarizing and grandstanding by the day, and all it can take is one news story to start the slide towards an argument. If you choose to stay with him, unless there's a miracle, stepping on eggshells and hoping he doesn't get mad over society not going his way will be your future. Doesn't sound like a good future to me.

 

[Waifuchu]

@Retarded Rabbit

I accept that a good chunk of people here will disagree with me, but this doesn't sound like some irreconcilable, imminent descent into castration and trespassing into women's bathrooms. People here, myself included somewhat, are hypersensitive to troonshit, because we're already predisposed against it, but they really are a vocal minority.

It's incredibly difficult to assume the worst about people you consider friends, so if your boyfriend, in his capacity as a nerdy internet type, is being assaulted with troon propaganda by ostensible friends, friends who have never actually done anything to give him a bad feeling, it's really not surprising that he'd accept many of their claims in good faith.

You've pointed out many tiny things that all point, to me, to this guy not being a lost cause. He knows you use KF, and tolerates it. He doesn't like it, but he tolerates it. That's already huge, and extremely out-of-character for a tranny. And he listened when you gave examples of the negative effects of their mutilation surgeries instead of just calling you a Nazi, that's another giant "Not a closet tranny" flag. And further still, he had a sensible, human reaction to that creepy-ass "egg" thing being directed at him.

Nothing you've said about him, to me, describes some soon-to-be genetic dead end who somehow sees an anime girl when he looks into the mirror. He sounds like a pretty typical center-left nerd guy who doesn't want to rock the boat or believe the worst about his supposed friends. Cutting him off and running for the hills right now is silly. Instead of throwing a bunch of ultimatums at him that he must believe to keep you, why not just try to calmly prune some of the really malign influences? Nothing as aggressive as "I DEMAND YOU LEAVE THE NEW VEGAS IS PEAK TRANNY FICTION DISCORD SERVER RIGHT NOW" since that's going to come off as an attack, but start small. "Those guys calling you an 'egg', I'm sorry, but that's fucking creepy."

Show him some articles from detransitioners, unbiased medical reports on the harm of the drugs, normal stuff like that. Try to make it clear that you're not coming from a place of "phobia", and instead you have very genuine concerns about this stuff and the harm it can cause.

If you otherwise really like this guy, and you get along great, it just seems like it'd be a source of endless regret to totally cut ties because of something as ephemeral as: "Well, maybe in several years, we'll have kids! And then, many more years after that, what if the kid wants to be a tranny?! Can I trust him not to enable it?!"

Besides, if you're worried about a hypothetical kid trooning out, here's how to avoid it: Keep them off fucking social media. Don't give them full-trust unregulated online access 24/7. No public school system.

 

[Maxwell Carter]

Besides, if you're worried about a hypothetical kid trooning out, here's how to avoid it: Keep them off fucking social media. Don't give them full-trust unregulated online access 24/7. No public school system.

The public school part is extremely important considering not only the gender ideology invasion, and in some places they can give children cross-sex hormones without the parents knowing about it, at all. Which is genuinely horrifying.

 

[█████████]

I accept that a good chunk of people here will disagree with me, but this doesn't sound like some irreconcilable, imminent descent into castration and trespassing into women's bathrooms. People here, myself included somewhat, are hypersensitive to troonshit, because we're already predisposed against it, but they really are a vocal minority.

Maybe I'm just nihilistic, but it is true that you are the average of the people you hang out with. And if he hangs out with Discord troons, then that kinda says something about him. I've hung out with friend groups that had troons before, but they were so insufferable that I basically had to leave the group, and it was pretty mutual because the troons hated me too (without me even going full mask-off "transphobe"). I also question what type of behavior is making his friends call him an "egg". Maybe he's already telling them things like wanting to be a girl.

I get it that autistic nerdy circles usually have troons now, but you can still find nerds that aren't troons and I've also been trying to get into more outdoorsy hobbies that naturally, because of the outside aspect, repel troons. He should find at least one relatively troon-free hobby. I don't care if he's autistic, because so am I, and I've overcome a lot of my social struggles. I hate when people use autism as an excuse to act like a socially inept teenager their whole lives.

I honestly would not want to date someone who exclusively hangs out with Redditors, because you just know if he ever talks to his friends about your guys' relationship, all of the Redditors will demonize you. You can try to change his opinion on troons, but I don't know how successful you'll be because he hangs out with those types. And even if you change his mind on troons, he probably still supports other libtarded shit outside of troons.

 

[Waifuchu]

Maybe I'm just nihilistic, but it is true that you are the average of the people you hang out with. And if he hangs out with Discord troons, then that kinda says something about him. I've hung out with friend groups that had troons before, but they were so insufferable that I basically had to leave the group, and it was pretty mutual because the troons hated me too (without me even going full mask-off "transphobe"). I also question what type of behavior is making his friends call him an "egg". Maybe he's already telling them things like wanting to be a girl. I get it that autistic nerdy circles usually have troons now, but you can still find nerds that aren't troons and I've also been trying to get into more outdoorsy hobbies that naturally, because of the outside aspect, repel troons. He should find at least one relatively troon-free hobby. I don't care if he's autistic, because so am I, and I've overcome a lot of my social struggles. I hate when people use autism as an excuse to act like a socially inept teenager their whole lives.

From what I've seen, merely tolerating troon bullshit is the only real prerequisite to them trying to pull you into their horrible little fetish cult. This guy is ostensibly friends with them, probably through shared hobbies. He's not actively shutting them down, even if he's later confiding in private that some of their "egg" comments are weird and uncomfortable, and that's all it takes.

I agree, these people sound like they're carcinogenic as all hell, so, while I don't think this guy is past the point of no return, bare minimum, he needs to set some firm boundaries before it's too late.

 

[ScurvyRat]

I think that @Sandshrew and @Waifuchu make great points (and have names that sound nice when said in the same sentence.)

However, they represent two ends of the spectrum for what @Retarded Rabbit will have to deal with. It's unlikely that either of them are wholly correct and your results will be somewhere in the middle.

I lean towards Sandshrew. For having mediocre taste in pokemon, she makes some really good points

I also question what type of behavior is making his friends call him an "egg". Maybe he's already telling them things like wanting to be a girl.

Incredibly worrying. Definitely not a random comment. So far beyond unacceptable it's hard to put into words.

As far as the conversation about kids goes, there's so many, MANY other reasons why I wouldn't want a lolbert raising children. The fact that you described his politics like that makes me think he has some opinions about age of consent.

Regardless, @Retarded Rabbit , if you've told us a single thing here that you're afraid to say to his face, y'all need to go talk about that shit yesterday. Sounds like you really like this guy so give him some rope to either build a bridge back to you or hang himself with it (figuratively of course)

 

[█████████]

Yeah I think she should ask for context behind the "egg" comment. It can be something completely benign like him saying he's getting into baking, and then a troon equates "baking = stereotypically girly = you must be a girl!". In which case, it's nothing to worry about.

Or it could be a full-on "I wish I was a girl and I jack off fantasizing about it" admission he made to a friend, which is EXTREMELY WORRYING and definitely breakup-worthy. We just don't know enough of the context behind why his troon friends called him that to determine how worrying it is, but it's something you should ask about.

As far as the conversation about kids goes, there's so many, MANY other reasons why I wouldn't want a lolbert raising children.

Same. I had an ex-girlfriend that was center-left and hated troons like I did. But I still had to walk on eggshells with her because she got offended by my sense of humor or my venting about immigration. If talking to my partner feels like a minefield, then there's no point. Now I'm talking to a woman who doesn't mind me straight-up hating on certain ethnic groups, and it's great. She even tells me her own bad experiences with them lol. She's never once sperged out on me calling me "-ist"s/"-phobic".

Shared values are a must-have for relationship longevity imo. Outside of troons, libtards tend to be too "sex-positive" in the sense that they go into degeneracy territory with shit like polyamory, so that's another reason I dislike libtards. Maybe it's just because I'm a lesbian and I'm traumatized by bi women asking to add men in the bedroom, but one of the first things I check is that a woman I'm talking to also thinks polyamory is retarded. But straight men can still spring the whole "Can we open our relationship?" thing on straight women too.

 

[Waifuchu]

An honest talk about expectations and boundaries would be wise across the board. If this shit is going to be a deal breaker, may was well get it dealt with now and save yourself more intense pain further down the line. Either you two have irreconcilable differences that cannot be overcome... Or you don't.

The only ones who really have definitive answers there are you two. Certainly not faceless internet retards like me.

but one of the first things I check is that a woman I'm talking to also thinks polyamory is retarded. But straight men can still spring the whole "Can we open our relationship?" thing on straight women too.

I'm a straight dude, and if a hypothetical girlfriend ever brought up polygamy/polyamory/open relationships, even tentatively, I'd have to, begrudgingly, call the relationship then and there, end of story. That question doesn't come up unless they've already got someone in mind that they want to get involved with, and if they want this person enough to try and broach the subject, then it's beyond salvaging. At that point, if you refuse and try to maintain the relationship anyway, they're going to cheat on you.

 

[ScurvyRat]

Same. I had an ex-girlfriend that was center-left and hated troons like I did. But I still had to walk on eggshells with her because she got offended by my sense of humor or my venting about how immigration affects my livelihood.

I have a similar story.

Similar situation, but my ex started watching Contrapoints and went from being tolerant of my far-right views, to openly hostile over the course of about 2 weeks. We broke up shortly after.

Last I heard she fully pooned out.

We don't talk.

 

[█████████]

I have a similar story.

Similar situation, but my ex started watching Contrapoints and went from being tolerant of my far-right views, to openly hostile over the course of about 2 weeks. We broke up shortly after.

Last I heard she fully pooned out.

We don't talk.

Yeah, this is exactly why I'm strict about it. I don't think the woman I'm talking to right now is AS racist as I am, but I straight-up have told her I'm kinda racist and she agrees with me that Indians are rapey sex pests and Muslims are a cancer to society. Something I like about her is that I can have discussions without her brain being shut off immediately to yell "BIGOT!" at me, like libtards typically do.

To me, fence-sitting views like, "I support it but it's not for me" or "It works for some people" (on things that objectively are dysfunctional like trannies/polyamory) mean a person is not smart enough to understand why those things are bad and probably believes all Reddit propaganda. These are the type of people that cannot differentiate between niceness (as in politeness, enabling, can involve lying to "keep peace") and true kindness (which sometimes involves "tough love" and constructive criticism). It's a sign of immaturity and a lack of values. These are the people who blindly support whatever the popular Current Thing on social media is.

I'm genuinely really sorry to hear you had to deal with that though, and I hope you find someone better if you haven't already.

 

[Dendyy]

The thing about the restraining order was what made me think you were implying violence or aggression. Sorry, I misunderstood; that's why I brought it up. He's never laid a hand on me or even really raised his voice to me. I understand the concern though.

Trannies often get violent mood swings, even if people give them everything they want. They are Chaotic Evil.

And that was after showing him countless examples of botched surgeries

Even the allegedly successful tranny surgeries are grotesque Hellraiser shit.

 

[ScurvyRat]

To me, fence-sitting views like, "I support it but it's not for me" or "It works for some people" (on things that objectively are dysfunctional like trannies/polyamory) mean a person is not smart enough to understand why those things are bad and probably believes all Reddit propaganda. These are the type of people that cannot differentiate between niceness (as in politeness, enabling, can involve lying to "keep peace") and true kindness (which sometimes involves "tough love" and constructive criticism).

If only more people thought this way, we could be rid of the troon menace in no time!

 

[The Crescent King]

Catching up on this thread and my sides are in orbit at how quickly it was clocked that @Retarded Rabbit's "boyfriend" (as of now) has a porn addiction. Libshits are so amazingly predictable.

 

[Thiletonomics]

This is a street i walked pretty much every day on my routes now i can't even go on doomer walks in peace. Its all ogre now.


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So would a Jeet or Chink shitting on this road be considered a hate crime?

 

[Lip Glossary]

Trannies often get violent mood swings, even if people give them everything they want. They are Chaotic Evil.

It's not chaotic evil there's a science to it. The MtF bodies are fighting against the estrogen that they're pumping into themselves that doesn't belong there, and the FtM are literally shooting steroids and overcompensating masculinity.
Of course they have violent mood swings. They are unstable mentally ill people who thought that they needed to switch their genders to make their lives better, and now that the hormones have been completely turned upside down and made them unstable, they realize that they are still unhappy because they are not addressing the underlying mental illness.

Even the allegedly successful tranny surgeries are grotesque Hellraiser shit.

Trans surgeon: A BOX. YOU WANTED ONE, I CAME!
*pulls out scalpel*

 

[Bojack Horsekin]

>I'm really concerned about my boyfriend falling victim to the troon cult

>It's not that bad you guys, it only comes up once a month and he even still likes Harry Potter. He showed me his porn and I'm cool with it

Ok, so it's not a problem. Great! Glad that worked out so neatly.

Having a serious discussion about your future and plans for how you'll handle your children is sound advice, but beware: actions speak louder than words. Pay attention to how he behaves, especially around his friends, after the conversation. Long after. After the children are born and grown a little, too.