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Should be a wild four years.

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Chuckwagon said:
To add to this point, 'Roman' was not an ethnicity. The actual Italo-Romans became increasingly irrelevant after the Five Good Emperors, of whom two out of five (Trajan, who expanded the empire to its furthest reaches, and his successor Hadrian of kike-destroying fame) were Spanish. There were Africans (not kangz, but the mutt descendants of the Carthaginians + local Berbers + incoming Italic settlers), Arabs and a hell of a lot of Illyrians (from modern-day Croatia & Bosnia, far predating Slavic settlement of those regions) ruling the empire in its last two centuries of existence. The last remotely capable Western Emperor was Gallic, which is to say, proto-French - his ancestors probably got raped by Caesar's legions and those same legionaries would be appalled to learn that their enemies eventually ended up ruling their country (and doing a much better job of it than the 'pure' Italo-Roman senatorial niggers who eventually backstabbed him in cahoots with the barbs).

'Roman' was always more of a nationality rather than an actual ethnic marker, similar to how there's no shortage of Americans today who are of Irish, German, Italian, etc. descent. Even in their earliest days, well before the Empire, the Romans were absorbing non-Latin peoples like the Etruscans - who were probably a pre-Indo-European remnant population and thus to the Romans what the Dravidian dasa/proto-dalit types were to the Aryans who first stormed into India - as well as the Greek colonists of Magna Graecia (southern Italy).
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This is a fantastic post and I urge people to read and absorb it in terms of "ethnic" Romans vis-a-vis "nationality" Romans in terms of identity.

I have nuances that hopefully instead complement this wisdom, that it WAS once an ethnic term and was one much longer than one thinks before devolving into a national one:

1) The original Romans were ethnic Latins. There is no dispute of that. But the Latin ethnic group was spread amongst many towns of which Rome was but one, quickly became dominant amongst them, then politically subjugated them all, turning "Roman" and "Latin" into synonyms.
2) Rome (now including all Latins under its belt, remember) then subjugated all Italy, and note that in doing so it all but in a few cases (primarily Magna Grecia/Greek colonies in the toes of the Italian boot) fucking genocided all "foreign" nations in Italy be they Italic or non-Italic alike, and then settled extensive colonies across it all: sure, politically there was a difference between "Roman" (re: Latins from Rome itself) or "Latin" (Latins from the rest of Latium), ethnically, there were no differences in the Italian population anymore once the dust settled. That's why you can do genetic testing and see that much of Italy is, well, Italian in its ethnic composition. Had Rome never fallen in political or even ethnic/self-ID terms of the Byzantine Conquest of the 6th century, we would probably see "Italian", "Roman", and "Latin" as more-or-less triple synonyms.

3) Rome conquered much of what would become the Western Empire and while they were very kill-happy ( look at the kill-stats of various local Gaulish, Hispanic, African, Illyrian, etc. tribes of a given province) and quite happy to send ethnic Roman/Latin/Italian colonists galore into Gaul, Hispania, Dalmatia, Africa, etc. - they did NOT "empty out" those provinces like they did Italy's locals.
4) Thus, we CAN claim Trajan and Hadrian were genuinely ethnic Italian despite being based in Spain - their hometown of Italica was a direct Roman colony transplanted straight from Italy - but we can also admit that a lot of the non-genocided locals intermarried enough with ethnic Romans they slowly-but-surely became de-facto Roman in blood as much as culture and politics. Similar examples are the Han Chinese drastically reducing but not quite killing off all the Nanyue of what is now southern China during the Han Dynasty (timeframe parallel to the Roman Empire!) and tons of incoming ethnic Han colonists intermarrying with the remaining ones till they became de-facto Han Chinese in blood - and no one denies southern China is core China! - or lots of the original Anglo-Americans moving into the Midwest/inland south intermarrying with immigrating German/Irish/Italian Catholics in the north, or Scots-Irish in the south, to create the common "White American" identity. And this includes just as there's a shit-ton more English-Americans in blood than one thinks, because people think it's boring to be and choose some stupidly-distant Kraut/Mick as their "ancestry", so too are these "Gallic/Hispanic/African" emperors more or less genuinely Roman after several centuries of too many of the original "foreign/non-Roman" bloodlines being killed off and the rest being absorbed via Italian colonists intermarrying them into the greater Roman stock. Yes, many were aware of their histories, but they also were very much aware of their Roman side and identifying with it much more.

Like, yeah, there's the pure Italo-Romans like we have Mayflower descendants, but if some Midwestern "German" married an Anglo-American and their kids did the same down to the present, we can call them safely ethnic American despite that initial German ancestor, so too did much of the Western Empire with the Italians colonists that came in. It's a VERY large part of why Romance culture (language, religion, etc.) de-facto survived and didn't revert back to Celtic or Punic culture come the Germanic invasions like it did in Britain - barely any actual Romans/Latins/Italians settled the island and primarily just soldiers and administrators went there.

So why do I say you're still indisputably right and I'm merely nuance-ing you?

Caracalla in 212 AD declared ALL free men to become Roman citizens, when before that was reserved for cities and sites either primarily populated by Romans/Latins/Italians, and otherwise only special and important cities out in the Eastern Empire got it despite decidedly being non-Roman in population and culture. And so Rome went from an ethnic marker - as expanded and unwieldy as it became, you could still call it so - to a national/Civnat one, as the Eastern Empire and various remaining tribals in the West began to use their Roman citizenship as a marker. A national marker. We see writings of a new name, "Romania" IE "Roman-Land" in the 300s, a century after the Edict of 212's dust settled, and why the decidedly NON-ITALIC GREEKS claimed the names "Rhomanoi' and "Rhomania" as their endonym for over a millennia despite continually being as ethno-culturally Greek as they ever were before and since.

TL;DR: There were ethnic Romans and they very much took over all Italy and heavily if not entirely populated the Western Empire, but the 212 Caracalla Edict turned that ethnic marker into a national one once all freemen across the entire Empire became full-fledged citizens. Exactly like how default ethnic Americans are White (they created the colonies and USA after all) but we are now a (-n unfortunately) multiethnic society that's trying to turn the American name into an ugly national/Civnat marker.
 
babyDunk said:
Are you really excited to see another war? I really hope it does not happen to be honest. Same position I had with the Iran occasion.
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there wont be boots on the ground so people can calm down, Trump has fumbled a lot of things but when it comes to strikes in third world shitholes he has been pretty consistent, he just bombs what he wants to bomb and then dips out, he hasnt made a mess like Obunga or Dubya. He'll probably leave that to the other south american countries like El Salvador or Argentina.
 
babyDunk said:
When the fuck did an ICE agent die?
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It wasn't in the line of duty (OD'd on cocaine after his arrest), and this video goes out of its way to portray him as a self-important dirtbag (which based on the footage of the arrest and circumstances leading to it, he was).

Basically, it's not-so-subtly implying that ICE are generally a bunch of uneducated, hotheaded thugs.
 
Jose Beaner Luna said:
there wont be boots on the ground so people can calm down, Trump has fumbled a lot of things but when it comes to strikes in third world shitholes he has been pretty consistent, he just bombs what he wants to bomb and then dips out, he hasnt made a mess like Obunga or Dubya. He'll probably leave that to the other south american countries like El Salvador or Argentina.
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Hey, I am just worried about you my Venezuelan friend. Make sure to take cover!
 
I'mma real anime gurl said:
You mean to tell me that the banks are going to be forced to support ventures that'll be controversial. Edgy funny shit will be back ladies and gentlemen.
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Not happening. The Trump admin is preparing a large-scale censorship regime in 2026 with the help of Congress. Section 230 will not survive another year. Whatever they're saying about debanking now is just lip service to pacify the gentiles.
 
Fatpacks said:
Not happening. The Trump admin is preparing a large-scale censorship regime in 2026 with the help of Congress. Section 230 will not survive another year. Whatever they're saying about debanking now is just lip service to pacify the gentiles.
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What's that they are going to be forced to support gun purchases and they'll be buck broke. Aww thanks for the good news, buddy.
 
Sugriva said:
I was not referring to that bit of news, actually. I saw a clip of Trump saying we need to do a better job of getting foreign Chinese and Indian students to stay in the US after graduation.

I don't fucking get it, man. Chinks and Jeets are a way bigger threat than the beaners.
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The theory is if we're training them, we might as well keep them long term, and if they're going through our educational system, they have a leg up on integration and learning our culture. The whole "brain drain" thing that supposedly we've been doing to most of the world for a century.

The problem is, like all Boomers, Trump doesn't realize that Universities are completely useless and the culture in them is Weather Underground circa 1972 -- radical marxism and hatred of the host country.

Sammich said:
Not sure you read the entire thread or not, but trump seems to be attempting to use her for a federal level case, callign her an expert witness. I think he's going to attempt to get her freed or at least turned over to federal custody and free her. it might work, it might not, or he might just being trying to put some pressure on the governor there. hell, trump could just be going for a hail mary, hard to say. i think he's well aware he can't jsut pardon her for state crimes though.
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Imagine if the state government says she can't be a witness in a federal case until AFTER she's served her term in state prison.

David Floyd George said:
Not really. Current estimates are that China has 50+ ghost cities right now (and that number isn't getting any smaller). Somewhere between 65 and 80 million residential units are vacant across the country.
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They should move a few tens of millions of jeets in, then. Elite human capital!
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
The theory is if we're training them, we might as well keep them long term, and if they're going through our educational system, they have a leg up on integration and learning our culture.
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Yeah I understand the theory but in practice it's fucking stupid. How many supposedly naturalized chinks have we caught leaking government secrets to the CCP? I don't even need to mention the loyalty "american" Indians still have to India.
 
David Floyd George said:
Not really. Current estimates are that China has 50+ ghost cities right now (and that number isn't getting any smaller). Somewhere between 65 and 80 million residential units are vacant across the country.
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Autistic question but if these guys are just building giant fuck off rape cities for no reason except to just waste money i guess, whats stopping them from doing le utopian communism and giving people houses/apartments for free and dropping a good chunk of peoples cost of living like a rock since they won't have a rent/mortgage payment? I know since theres no people in the cities theres no business but surely they can organize something there, right? I'm sure giving 5%~ of the population free houses would send your approval rate into space.
 
Boogies Cancer said:
There is no second place it's the US and that's it. Maybe that changes in another few decades but it's hilarious to pretend like it is that way today.
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You Ok buddy, you huffing paint or cashing government propaganda checks?

your telling me no other navy in the world can crash 3 60 million dollar fighters then crash the boat?

EDIT: this thread is slowly dying cause hope in this admin is slowly fading
 
StudMccool said:
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You Ok buddy, you huffing paint or cashing government propaganda checks?

your telling me no other navy in the world can crash 3 60 million dollar fighters then crash the boat?

EDIT: this thread is slowly dying cause hope in this admin is slowly fading
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Because you are a retarded nigger, here is AI destroying your wet brained faggotry. This is just the navy, btw.

  • Quantity: Around 550 in U.S. Navy service, with final deliveries ongoing.
  • Production: Boeing building final batches, ending around 2027.
  • Variants: F/A-18E (single-seat) and F/A-18F (two-seat).
  • Upgrades: Block III brings advanced radar, touchscreen cockpit, and data links, making it a networked asset.
 
StudMccool said:
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Someone get some narcan, this nigger might OD
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I guess refuting the point was too hard, niggerfaggot? Wanna guess how many carriers China has? a whole big 3. 150 planes at MOST on barely floating soviet rustbuckets. It's not even close.
There's a reason the chinks don't send those outside the china sea, because they don't want to humiliate themselves like Russia when their shit sinks in blue waters

I still don't get why some people here act like you aren't the dumbest gorilla nigger on this site. Fucking Guinea tier IQ mongoloid spouting off every fucking day.
 
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