Celebrities (and "celebrities") who trooned out their children - A transgender kid is the new Birkin bag

[Solid Snek]

There are some people who believe overbearing mothers (especially paired with enabling fathers if not outright no father in the picture) does have this issue. I was first introduced to the idea by the Disaffected podcast. I do not know how true it is but he is himself a gay man and says that it was his experience a lot of them do have mothers that tend to fit this stereotype (I don't know about trans specifically, no one talks about it in those terms), which is why he believes it to have some truth. Or perhaps it's something to do with dysfunctional families growing up generally and everything else that comes with that, of which the mother being a cunt is just one symptom of all the chaos that goes with those. To say nothing of Munchhausen by proxy. Or the nature of celebrities being fucked up attention whores and what that would mean for their kids and how the industry treats children, even if those children are only in those circles due to their parents and aren't "working" themselves.

This was a pretty common idea in the Before Times, back when homosexuality was still considered a sin by default, and the only question was whether gays should be thrown in jail, or should be left to make their disco music in peace (as long as they stayed far away from children).

Basically, the idea was that homosexuality stemmed from young boys growing up with over-bearing mothers and little or no access to masculine role models and outlets. Such boys would grow up yearning for masculinity, which if allowed to fester would cause the boy to sexualize and fetishize his pursuit of masculinity. Rather than spending his childhood just being a bro and then, when hormones kick in, moving on to pursue hot chicks, the poor boy never has access to his bro phase to begin with, so then when the hormones kick in, pursues being a bro.

Nowadays you're not really supposed to think about this, let alone TALK about this; not since the rise of the LGBTQ lobby, which pushed hard to make "we were born this way!" the default normative belief in Millennials and younger folks. This despite the fact that

1. in virtually all other areas, leftwing orthodoxy is strictly "nurture" when it comes to nature vs nurture debates, and​

2. there is no scientific evidence to support the "Born This Way" theory​

It was advanced not on the basis of evidence, but as a rhetorical tactic, meant to both deflect personal responsibility for gay behavior ("it's not my fault! I didn't CHOOSE to be this way!") and to counter claims that homosexuality was contrary to the laws of nature ("this is something that happens by design; it's natural").

Anecdotally, though, it seems like the Born This Way hypothesis is falling out of favour again, even (or especially?) amongst queers. So who knows? Maybe we'll see Western society come back around to the older, more Freudian, domineering mother/chasing masculinity theory?

(personally, I think the domineering mother theory has problems of its own. While I'm sure there are many factors going into what makes a kid turn gay or troon out, I think the evidence points to this being a social contagion, and that the biggest contributing factor is simply early sexual exposure: if the first sexual experience you had was getting jerked off by a Cub Scout leader, or I guess nowadays, getting groomed into crossdressing as Astolfo by a pedophile furry necrophiliac running your favorite Roblox server on Discord, then chances are good you'll be messed up for life.)

 

[Paper Machete]

I think it's not necessarily a case of what specifically is the root cause of all cases of X but that there are many variables that can push one in certain directions during development and that some individuals are just more malleable generally speaking and/or have more of those variables present. And while I definitely agree that many cases are a result of some form of trauma I do think there are also portions of the population that are just wired that way. We understand this sort of thing when it's applied to literally everything else but get weird when it comes to sexuality. I think perhaps this stems from fear that there will be legit legal discrimination again if it's seen that way again, and I don't think it's unfair at all to think that either. But for all of human history it's been observed that deviance (of any sort) is the case of being traumatized into it. It's not been considered controversial until relatively recently in human history to think this.

I also think, for the people reading all this, that overbearing is a bit of an understatement. The mothers in these dynamics are typically very enmeshed, to a near incestuous degree or overtly abusive in other ways--not just the creator of mama's boys.

 

[batteredpancakes]

(personally, I think the domineering mother theory has problems of its own. While I'm sure there are many factors going into what makes a kid turn gay or troon out, I think the evidence points to this being a social contagion, and that the biggest contributing factor is simply early sexual exposure: if the first sexual experience you had was getting jerked off by a Cub Scout leader, or I guess nowadays, getting groomed into crossdressing as Astolfo by a pedophile furry necrophiliac running your favorite Roblox server on Discord, then chances are good you'll be messed up for life.)

Agree. Actual studies have pointed to molestation as a high cause of homosexuality. That and a small percentage caused by foetal hormones and autism.

I don't think overbearing mothers cause it. Overbearing mothers cause men to be emotionally immature so they will be prone to seeing younger people as peers, fetishes, inceldom, male insecurity, emotional instability, molestation, etc. These all can end up causing functional homosexuality, peter pan syndrome, pedophilia and autogynephilia. But I don't think there is much of a direct correlation from mother to son.

 

[Surfin Terf]

Lupron is horrific. My BFF’s mom took it in the 90’s for endometriosis and it affected her horribly. She’s still alive but has many health problems due to it. She was in her 40’s then, not a child and didn’t take it for a very long time, but it still damaged her. I cannot imagine how awful it is for still developing children!

It’s also one thing to try it as a last resort for adults who are dealing with real, crippling health issues. Giving it to perfectly healthy children for their delusions of “gender” (which are almost all due to social contagion or abuse, it seems), is beyond evil. Especially because they know how bad it is nowadays. I’m not sure what they knew back in the 90’s but this is 30 years later and there’s zero excuse for it now. And the “health care” industry really seems baffled as to why people don’t trust them. Gee, it’s a mystery!

My mom got a Lupron shot at one point and felt so violated by the side effects that she immediately changed doctors. At one point we're arguing about child transition and she claims that it's OK because they aren't on actual hormones, just puberty blockers. I told her, "mom, that's not necessarily true, but even if it was you realize that Lupron is the main puberty blocker in America, right?"

You could see the gears turning in her head as she tried to grapple with that information. For once in my life she admitted that she would need to look into the subject more. She didn't, and if she did she probably asked her Facebook friends to convince her that I was wrong and then decided to shield herself from my evil alt-right opinions, but at least for a minute I made her question things and that's a major victory against my her.

Nowadays you're not really supposed to think about this, let alone TALK about this; not since the rise of the LGBTQ lobby, which pushed hard to make "we were born this way!" the default normative belief in Millennials and younger folks. This despite the fact that

1. in virtually all other areas, leftwing orthodoxy is strictly "nurture" when it comes to nature vs nurture debates, and2. there is no scientific evidence to support the "Born This Way" theory

Sexual preferences are clearly affected by environmental factors for everything else. Some birds are hard to breed in captivity because they sexually bond with their humans, researchers who tried raising chimpanzees like family had problems with the chimpanzees becoming sexually attracted to humans, and we can be reasonably sure that human zoophiles weren't born with that attraction. Similarly, we accept that our upbringing affects everything (other than sex apparently) that we look for in a sexual partner.

So, if a man's sexuality can get warped to the point where he is attracted to a horse, why is it somehow impossible for it to get warped to the point where he is attracted to another man? It's an absurd line to draw that somehow the sex that you're attracted to is genetically encoded at birth and can never be changed. It's not really much more scientifically sound than the idea of an immutable gender identity. I'm willing to accept that sexual orientation is complicated and while it can theoretically be changed it's difficult and unpredictable, but completely impossible? Hell no.

Please note, this will not stop me from shitting on trans activists for insisting that we should change our sexualities in order to affirm their gender identities. No one is obligated to reprogram themself for your retarded fetish.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

This behemoth was also puberty blocked. His doctors also tried using other drugs to stunt his growth if I remember correctly.
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Holy fuck I had to google how tall Ellen is, she is 170cm, so that makes this gigahon like well over 190cm? (Like six feet with a beercan on her head in freedom units, I'm to shocked to calculate). That is one scary "woman", she could beat me in a fight easy, and I'm six feet and have been working out all my life. I don't want that thing in the same male bathroom with me.

 

[OttoWest]

Wasn’t there research pointing to a high correlation between BPD mothers and troon sons?

 

[Incecticyder]

It was advanced not on the basis of evidence, but as a rhetorical tactic, meant to both deflect personal responsibility for gay behavior ("it's not my fault! I didn't CHOOSE to be this way!") and to counter claims that homosexuality was contrary to the laws of nature ("this is something that happens by design; it's natural").

There ARE animals that engage in homosexual sex but that is beside the point. Cannibalism is also a thing that most animals do. I am saying that a whole lot of horrible things are natural. However, I am of the opinion of the Golden Rule: Do not hurt others unless you want to be hurt too (I know that this is oversimplification but still). If two or however as many people consent and make an informed decision that hurts no one, go ahead. People choose to smoke and drink too and we know both of those cause harm to other yet are allowed.

Anecdotally, though, it seems like the Born This Way hypothesis is falling out of favour again, even (or especially?) amongst queers. So who knows? Maybe we'll see Western society come back around to the older, more Freudian, domineering mother/chasing masculinity theory?

That is just the gays trying to get laid. They let the fact that they are more accepted now to cloud their judgement.

I think it's not necessarily a case of what specifically is the root cause of all cases of X but that there are many variables that can push one in certain directions during development and that some individuals are just more malleable generally speaking and/or have more of those variables present. And while I definitely agree that many cases are a result of some form of trauma I do think there are also portions of the population that are just wired that way. We understand this sort of thing when it's applied to literally everything else but get weird when it comes to sexuality. I think perhaps this stems from fear that there will be legit legal discrimination again if it's seen that way again, and I don't think it's unfair at all to think that either. But for all of human history it's been observed that deviance (of any sort) is the case of being traumatized into it. It's not been considered controversial until relatively recently in human history to think this.

I also think, for the people reading all this, that overbearing is a bit of an understatement. The mothers in these dynamics are typically very enmeshed, to a near incestuous degree or overtly abusive in other ways--not just the creator of mama's boys.

Agree. Actual studies have pointed to molestation as a high cause of homosexuality. That and a small percentage caused by foetal hormones and autism.

I don't think overbearing mothers cause it. Overbearing mothers cause men to be emotionally immature so they will be prone to seeing younger people as peers, fetishes, inceldom, male insecurity, emotional instability, molestation, etc. These all can end up causing functional homosexuality, peter pan syndrome, pedophilia and autogynephilia. But I don't think there is much of a direct correlation from mother to son.

A whole lot of it is hormones. Which is why I do not want anyone to try to make a "cure for homosexuality": Do not mess around with hormones. Look at what happens with troons/poons: Permanent, unpredictable changes that fuck up people. Even when it is not hormones that caused the homosexuality, chances are, they will not cure it either. Be careful with that shit.

My mom got a Lupron shot at one point and felt so violated by the side effects that she immediately changed doctors. At one point we're arguing about child transition and she claims that it's OK because they aren't on actual hormones, just puberty blockers. I told her, "mom, that's not necessarily true, but even if it was you realize that Lupron is the main puberty blocker in America, right?"

You could see the gears turning in her head as she tried to grapple with that information. For once in my life she admitted that she would need to look into the subject more. She didn't, and if she did she probably asked her Facebook friends to convince her that I was wrong and then decided to shield herself from my evil alt-right opinions, but at least for a minute I made her question things and that's a major victory against my her.

Victory over your mom. Cherish that.

So, if a man's sexuality can get warped to the point where he is attracted to a horse, why is it somehow impossible for it to get warped to the point where he is attracted to another man? It's an absurd line to draw that somehow the sex that you're attracted to is genetically encoded at birth and can never be changed. It's not really much more scientifically sound than the idea of an immutable gender identity. I'm willing to accept that sexual orientation is complicated and while it can theoretically be changed it's difficult and unpredictable, but completely impossible? Hell no.

Horse attraction is more of a worship of cock. They just love massive dongs. Still, if there are ways to change sexual attraction, it just might not be worth the risk of messing up people's brains and bodies for another chance at the sexuality gacha.

Wasn’t there research pointing to a high correlation between BPD mothers and troon sons?

BPD moms ruin kids in many ways, including by chasing trends. Transitioning them is merely the current fashion.

 

[batteredpancakes]

Do not mess around with hormones. Look at what happens with troons/poons: Permanent, unpredictable changes that fuck up people. Even when it is not hormones that caused the homosexuality, chances are, they will not cure it either.

While I do not care to "cure" anyone of homosexuality, it is hilarious to see older dyke pooners suddenly decide they like men now.

Most of this is probably chalked up to the fear of being a female victim of a man but still.

 

[Incecticyder]

While I do not care to "cure" anyone of homosexuality, it is hilarious to see old dyke pooners suddenly decide they like men now.
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Almost as if messing with hormones can have weird side-effects.

 

[Chuck's Feed and Seed]

It really should be studied how these 'life saving drugs' age their users rapidly.

more like life wasting drugs am i right????

 

[FedPostalService]

While I do not care to "cure" anyone of homosexuality, it is hilarious to see older dyke pooners suddenly decide they like men now.

It will be a woman who thought that she didn’t like men because of the PTSD of being molested constantly as a child. Let’s not debate if she was actually just bisexual all the time or just an unkowning “political lesbian“ because of all the rape.

Now her eggs are drying up and she’s unconsciously wanting dick because her body is screaming out for her to have kids.

 

[Positron]

That is one scary "woman", she could beat me in a fight easy, and I'm six feet and have been working out all my life. I don't want that thing in the same male bathroom with me.

His bones are easily crushed.

 

[Incecticyder]

It will be a woman who thought that she didn’t like men because of the PTSD of being molested constantly as a child. Let’s not debate if she was actually just bisexual all the time or just an unkowning “political lesbian“ because of all the rape.

Now her eggs are drying up and she’s unconsciously wanting dick because her body is screaming out for her to have kids.

Actual homosexuals do not change sexual orientation with age. I presume that the HRT fucked with their brain chemistry.

 

[batteredpancakes]

Zaya Wade (Dwayne Wade's Son) is now 18 and has turned up at some events. This boy is another trans kid that became a giant.


His father's 6'4" so I'd guess his height must be around 6 feet? It's not even really his height that's the issue it's that he's built like a linebacker. He was a rather thin kid so puberty blockers did not stop his genetics.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

Zaya Wade (Dwayne Wade's Son) is now 18 and has turned up at some events. This boy is another trans kid that became a giant.
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His father's 6'4" so I'd guess his height must be around 6 feet? It's not even really his height that's the issue it's that he's built like a linebacker. He was a rather thin kid so puberty blockers did not stop his genetics.

Another possible example from one of Charlize Theron’s adopted, trooned out kids. He is 13 (if the timeline of him being adopted as a newborn in 2012 on Wikipedia is correct) and is already looking tall for his age.

 

[DYLAN ‘DIELAWN’ VOLK]

That little African boy looks really miserable.

 

[Not A Bunny]

It's an absurd line to draw that somehow the sex that you're attracted to is genetically encoded at birth and can never be changed.

I've never felt comfortable with the concept of "the heart wants what it wants" when it comes to attraction (I know you're talking about biological encoding here, but it's the same concept of predestination of partners).

It's like saying, your daddy was a wife-beater, yes? So naturally, the only men you'll ever form relationships with are wife-beaters, and that's that.

Meanwhile, you get all of these dating gurus out there with their philosophies of, "you're not dating quality men because you do this, this, and that". Which means, you CAN very well change who you attract, which fundamentally means you can realistically change who you are attracted to in order to keep them, because the you that picked the wrong people needs to change in order to accommodate the right person.

Not to mention, I'm almost certain that it's going to come out for a lot of these kids that there was influence of some kind, whether trend, or sexual abuse, or lack of parental involvement. So, I'm not going to tell people what they should or shouldn't do, but I'm also not going to put up with it when anyone tells me they were "born this way".

 

[Kitty kitty cat]

He probably just likes to touch his kids, nothing more.

Yeah he really likes to touch his son. All the pictures of the slightly inappropriate fondling, makes me shudder when I think about what goes on behind closed doors and what Lievs computer might hide.

 

[Incecticyder]

I've never felt comfortable with the concept of "the heart wants what it wants" when it comes to attraction (I know you're talking about biological encoding here, but it's the same concept of predestination of partners).

It's like saying, your daddy was a wife-beater, yes? So naturally, the only men you'll ever form relationships with are wife-beaters, and that's that.

It can depend. I have seen girls that grew up with nice dads only to decide to become the town's bicycle for every trashy man around. Shit happens.

Biology does not always force a dad to be a wife-beater. Sometimes, it is experiences, And those same experiences might cause someone to choose a person that is nothing like their parents.

Meanwhile, you get all of these dating gurus out there with their philosophies of, "you're not dating quality men because you do this, this, and that". Which means, you CAN very well change who you attract, which fundamentally means you can realistically change who you are attracted to in order to keep them, because the you that picked the wrong people needs to change in order to accommodate the right person.

I think that what those gurus mean is that you should try to understand what you are attracted to. Say, if someone is attracted to strong-minded people, they shouldn't just go after everyone that seems strong-minded but they should filter for other qualities. Or, let's say, someone is only attracted to redheads. Does that person have to settle for ANY redhead? No, they have to see what else they are attracted to.

Not to mention, I'm almost certain that it's going to come out for a lot of these kids that there was influence of some kind, whether trend, or sexual abuse, or lack of parental involvement. So, I'm not going to tell people what they should or shouldn't do, but I'm also not going to put up with it when anyone tells me they were "born this way".

We are not able to tell yet who is just "born this way" and who was not. Yes, some were groomed but we have no idea how to fix that. I just wish that trooning kids was not fashionable. Have kids choose what makes them happy, not what makes others happy.

 

[Not A Bunny]

We are not able to tell yet who is just "born this way" and who was not.

Which is what stops me from trusting anyone who claims to be trans. The bar is set so low for both entry and requirement for acceptance that it's basically societally mandated ignorance, and I don't accept people telling me not to trust my own thoughts.

I no longer know if you're trans or you're doing this to annoy me. So in my low-trust world, you're doing this to annoy me up until you prove you aren't.