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I’m second guessing therapy.
I know literally everyone here told me to get it, but I was sitting and thinking. I remember someone earlier in this thread suggested they think I might have something called “POCD”, they explained it as “When someone is overly worried they might be a pedo”. It sounded accurate to me (My obsessive worries that something I did is considered pedo when it turns out it actually isn’t), but I searched it up in the handy dandy Kiwifarms search function and I saw that it’s actually a fake diagnosis and pedo dog whistle similar to MAP.
So, ya, the last thing I want is to ever be diagnosed with that. Even if it is real, I just don’t want the word “pedophile” on my record, no matter the context. I’m thinking maybe I can go to therapy but just not tell her about my anxieties surrounding that.
Either way, I think it’s getting worse. I remember I was at McDonalds the other day and this kid climbed up on her seat to stare at me. I chuckled and smiled cause I remembered I’d do the same exact thing when I was a kid, but I immediately felt bad. It’s not ok to smile at other people’s kids without their permission, it’s creepy, right? I dunno, I’m still kinda thinking back to it and I still feel bad. I’m a stranger, I shouldn’t be interacting with them in anyway, I should just be ignoring them.
Idk if anybody else already said this (I'm not reading all these pages) but imma throw in something. What you're describing truly sounds like OCD. OCD encompasses a range of symptoms, one of which is intrusive thoughts, including those like yours. To be clear, you are far from the only one to have experienced those ones specifically. It was actually a prominent example in the general OCD Workbook I was recommended a while ago by my psychiatrist. Always remember that intrusive thoughts don't make you a bad person. They don't belong to or come from you. The more you worry about a thought and try to shut it down, the more power you give it. Rather, if you let yourself imagine it like a cloud passing by, not one of your real thoughts, then it removes all of the thought's power. Just because you have a thought does NOT mean you're going to act on it, contrary to whatever the boboheads here on KF might say.
Hope that makes sense. I only know what's been taught to me. Btw, it's not bad to smile at other people's kids, I thought that was fairly normal :)
 
Some percentage of people have a freakishly good response to the supplement NAC when it comes to BFRBs. It's not very well-studied, but NAC is rather safe and easily obtained, so I do recommend it to anybody who is willing to try. Some greater percentage of people have a mild benefit from it, but something like 1 in 50 people (my guess) report that NAC just turns their BFRBs off. I don't think it's a placebo because I've seen this also reported in people like severe nonverbal autistics who are given it by their parents.

I have a very disparaging opinion about all the "tricks." It can rudely be summarized as "You have to be a retard with no free will if your issues are so minor they're solved by a silly hack", and can politely be phrased as "I think most severe expressions of BRFBs have significant psychological fuelings: So simple advices like "distract your hands with a fidget spinner!" are meaningless because the psychological fuel is stronger than the powers of a fidget toy."

It's just insulting. It's like this: If somebody is sad, maybe some dank memes will brighten their day. But if you just learned you have terminal cancer and you feel you have nobody to turn to, and your coworker says "Well if you're sad go look at some DANK MEMES on REDDIT!", well fuck that guy. That's how I feel when people recommend stupid shit like fidget toys and "sensory" items for BFRBs. My problem isn't lack of stimulation, the same way the depressed guy with cancer isn't suffering from lack of dank memes.

It's just rough because these things are such a broad spectrum between basically benign behaviors and brutal self-harm requiring in-patient hospitalization to prevent death. Kinda like how eating disorders are tricky because all humans eat, BFRBs are hard because all humans have self-grooming behaviors. You can't never touch your own body ever again.

The depths of my BFRBs are so that I think I'd dox myself if I went into it. It's a lifelong thing for me and I definitely wouldn't say I'm in any form of remission. One of my family members died from BFRBs (yes it's possible) and so I do believe there's a strong genetic component. I have had significant abnormal levels of BFRBs since infancy. Not to be "that guy" but I was also an extremely advanced child (I don't think it matters how fast I hit baby milestones to anybody now that we're all grown) and to me, this adds to the idea that there's a strong neurological component rather than some sort of behavioral lapse/"lack of taking good care of yourself." No I'm not autistic, believe me, a lot of people asked. That's all to say I'm happy to discuss it with anybody who finds solace in all this sort of talk.

Since it's really been in the thread a lot lately, I think I should pull up the chart.

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Obsessions are one thing. But it's not called Obsessive Disorder, is it? Obsessive-compulsiveness is about the dynamic between having a "bad thought" and your compulsive reaction.
I encourage everybody to try and reframe their goal. Generally people have the goal of "make the bad feeling stop" or "I need to make sure I'm doing the right thing." Even "I need help" is a common "stuck" point. You can be in therapy, doing everything right, and still completely have your daily life ruined by the constant feeling, sickening feeling in your gut, "I need help! Something's wrong!" Feeling this way is bad! Horrible!

If you are getting help in response to that horrible feeling, your brain learns, well- to make you feel horrible all the time! That the only way to get relief, to be comforted- is to start punching yourself in the brain!

but blibb..... I do need help! I look at my life and it's horrible and I feel sickened! How can you say I need to give up the goals of "I need help and to make sure I'm doing the right thing and make the bad feelings stop"????
There are better goals for your Quality of Life. Far better, productive, and effective goals.
Consider:

I want to be a strong and unbothered person.
I want to be self-assured enough to make it through the day.
I want to be the Chad and not the Wojak.
I want to overcome being affected by these "bad thoughts".....

Words a therapist might use would include "Distress tolerance" (which I have a bad taste in my mouth over.)

It is kinda a brain-fuck, but just imagine that the goal is to minimize this whole thing in your life to the point where you absentmindedly forget it ever happened. Not actively repress, mind you- but just for it to shrink, like a toddler who's never given attention for tantrums, and gradually outgrows having them.

3 Mental strategies:
  • Double-down to the point of absurdity and it becomes not emotionally charged. This doesn't have to involve "desensitizing yourself to bad thinking."

For example: Intrusive thought about molesting somebody on the bus. In response I could think, I'll molest this person on the bus, then rip off all my clothes, they'll call the cops, put me into an asylums from the 1800s, I'll spend the next 40 years as a ward of the state, they'll give my pets away to my coworker who won't feed them the correct diet and my cat (who's lost 5lbs thank you very much) will become fat again and what a shame will that be, God I need to buy more cat litter.

To me this is almost like a free association exercise. You want to get as far away as fast as possible. I made it to "buy cat litter." The response to a thought of molesting somebody on the bus was "Remember to buy cat litter." I didn't have to "make myself think about the bad stuff a whole bunch", as they often say you have to do, for some reason. Being sentenced to life in an asylum from the 1800s is just fantastical enough that it doesn't really worry me, but if that would worry you, consider being imprisoned in the moon, dropped into a volcano, or whatever works.

You can also think of it like a shitty bit in a comedy show. The hosts and people involved have to do that "Yes, and?" thing to keep the show going, but obviously the bit sucks and so they have to pivot away.

  • The big sigh.
For some reason, a lot of counselors will try to get you to draft up some highly formal commitment statement. Like a mantra. It might look something like "I am a strong person and I am motivated by my love for my family to stay sober and yadda yadda." You're supposed to repeat it in whatever time of need. In daily life I'm just not so formal, and such formal commitments seem baseless. "Pretty" mantras just don't seem to work.

A big sigh seems to work a lot better. Just a signal of disinterest. You want to tell your brain it's a disinteresting, boring, not-worth-having thought. Nothing worth giving attention to. This may not actually be a big sigh, especially when it's totally mental. But just imagine yourself rolling your eyes like a bored teen girl. "That's so, whatever...." That sort of response. Yes, even when you're wondering if you're a pedophile. Isn't this the bajillionith time? Get new material! I've hashed this out.... I'm so bored of that.... This is how I respond immediately to impulsive thoughts. It really helps prevent panic and anxiety, because boredom and anxiety don't tend to mix. Anxiety is interesting. You might not think that, but your brain feels that way. Anxiety is basically just "negative excitement." If you convince yourself that a thought is boring, it probably won't be scary or unsettling. A boring movie isn't scary. If your friend tells you over and over that a TV show is boring, you will probably give up on talking to them about it. Your brain will act the same with you.

  • Extremely interesting things to think about.
I have found it very beneficial to obsess about things. Obsess about anything you want. Music has obviously been powerful for me, and I think I would probably go insane if I didn't listen to music regularly. I have a song in my head most of the time. I am very aware that I obsess constantly, and so to me it's like a superpower. The goal isn't to stop obsessing. The goal is to be the master of my domain. It may help to literally visualize yourself as various fictional or historical characters, in order to have a better relationship with your own thought process. Literally think of your brain as Sherlocking it up in there. I'm not some retard. If you've read this far, you probably aren't either. Literally imagining myself as having the thought process of some aspirational person, is a very powerful thing. Think about Wide Putin. Think about the sigma males. Think about Christ, or Paul, or John, or Hulk Hogan. Whoever clicks for you. Put all your beliefs about yourself aside and try to think as you imagine your role model would think, about your situation and position in life. This is similar to what's recommended in various Stoic works, esp. Meditations. It helped me "grow up" a lot in my teens. I recommend Book 4, although it's all old enough that it is pretty dense reading nowadays.



I am trying to figure out when I should quit my job. A lot of people will obviously say that the easy thing to do is cut hours/work both jobs etc. And I am going to do some of that. But to be frank, I have pretty good savings, and I think I would like to take a sort of sabbatical. I'm not a FIRE guy but I'm something in that vein. I actually have two temp jobs locked in for later this year, AND I'm starting back up with school. If I told you I went on a two-month long vacation for 4k, you'd probably say that's pretty cool and very cheap for all the things I did in that time. But if I say I just didn't work for two months between jobs and missed out on 3k in income and spend 1k from my savings, it's hey why didn't you keep your job until your next job starts. IDK maybe that's just in my head. If I took a "sabbatical" I would spend it traveling to see bands I like, increasing my art skills, and going to as many social events as possible. I feel like every year that goes by it will only get harder to pull something like this off.

Pretty much every day I go to work I think about how I'm going to quit, because I know it's coming. This is incredibly freeing and my coworkers and boss have taken notice and given me compliments about my vibe being better. I guess I'm lucky I'm not suicidal, because they'd probably compliment me on that, too. I did legit buy a bunch of small presents for the work office because of thinking "I'd like to see them enjoy all this stuff, it may be the last time....."
 
Fuck.

I fucking monkey pawed myself. My doctor called about my MRI and CT results. My lungs have improved but more lesions appeared on my brain in the same spot as the last ones. I don't know what the fuck to do at this point. I've already had the most intense chemo and it still didn't fucking work. I don't get how shit could possibly still be growing there when my tumor markers are at undetectable and I've gone through every treatment under the sun. Haven't smoked in 8 years, but I don't know how to take this news this time. Gonna go buy a pack of Marlboro reds, pour a beer, and sit outside for awhile.
 
Fuck.

I fucking monkey pawed myself. My doctor called about my MRI and CT results. My lungs have improved but more lesions appeared on my brain in the same spot as the last ones. I don't know what the fuck to do at this point. I've already had the most intense chemo and it still didn't fucking work. I don't get how shit could possibly still be growing there when my tumor markers are at undetectable and I've gone through every treatment under the sun. Haven't smoked in 8 years, but I don't know how to take this news this time. Gonna go buy a pack of Marlboro reds, pour a beer, and sit outside for awhile.
I hit my head yesterday, so I might sound spergier than usual, sorry in advance. I perfectly realize that words don't help much in situation like this one, but still no one has said it is over yet. And even if it is the one thing it cannot rob you of is your ability to face it with a smirk. Fuck that thing!
 
I am trying to figure out when I should quit my job. A lot of people will obviously say that the easy thing to do is cut hours/work both jobs etc. And I am going to do some of that. But to be frank, I have pretty good savings, and I think I would like to take a sort of sabbatical.
I've been in a similar spot recently, except I've already done it. For now I'm sort of relaxing and trying to figure out what to work towards next in terms of life goals. I've actually been busy with all sorts of stuff I'd been postponing or too lazy to do...

Interesting stuff about NAC, didn't really know about that. I'd been taking it sometimes during cold seasons to help with nose congestion, I find it has a noticeable effect when I have such issues.
 
Planned a meeting last week; "nah we'll just do it quickly sometime". I open the file several times a day and she's always occupying it. The deadline pops up today, superior acts as if I didn't prepare anything, then aforementioned femoid goes "yeah we never talked about it". I'm so tired of having to be defensive in this job. Nobody else asks for input the way I always do, and being the judging party just gives you all the ways to be right. Which of course they always are.
I am on your side, so please, do not ruminate, it is not good. Please, get help from professionals, I am not trying to be disrespectful or call you crazy, I genuinely think that you're desperately trying to get better.
I've read a lot about winner mentality and the whole "fail and move on", but shits hard to put into action when you only ever hear it from people who get to win or fail. You fail a few projects in a row you're almost out the door. You fail 3 auditions and nail the 4th, you can claim "uhh trust the process".

I generally don't go to bed seething but even shit like above can sit with me for hours. Then I wake up the next day and realize it probably means nothing in the grand scheme of things. The sky is blue, xmas is closing in, and oh - it was a huge deal to someone else and when you're out on your ass they go "Um we already warned you twice".
 
It’s less so I’m worried I might be a pedophile, I mean, I know I’m not. Right now. I’m worried I’ll do something in the future accidentally or unknowingly that’ll make me one.
Look; being harsh here but you’ve been told for months now that if you’re not attention seeking this is likely some form of OCD and you need professional help. Log off, and get it.
Mourning the choices you didn't make. All those 'What ifs' compounding on themselves. Part of living is making peace with your choices and letting go of the paths you didn't take.
Yeah. I mean (I don’t mean to be rude of you’re a professional) but that sort of falls into the ‘blindingly obvious to say, not easy to DO’ category for me. As does all therapy IMO. It’s easy to sit and rationalise all sorts of stuff intellectually but to actually feel that isn’t something that can be imposed or learned or done for many things. Yes I know that I need to become at peace with x, y and z - that’s really obvious, but you can’t make people feel stuff. You can try to retrain the old brain all sorts of ways via conditioning to ram some behavioural pattern in but to actually believe it is another matter. I could make you repeat the tooth fairy exists or you don’t love a person for months and you’d not believe it.
I read about people feeling better after therapy or drugs and wonder what special sauce they got, because absolutely nothing has worked for me and I’ve been trying for three decades plus. It’s all bollocks.
I mean it’s nice to have a chat and all but I don’t think you can talk or drug your way out of genuine depression.
SSRIs are poison, and having seen more safety data than I can shake a stick at, they don’t even seem to be effective poison, and most therapists don’t seem able to lead to anywhere positive at all.
Yeah I ended up buying a pair for my walks and working around the house since listening to music while working is much more enjoyable than hearing "EEEEE" all day haha.
Tinnitus sucks, I have it. I find the noise cancelling ‘suck’ works a tiny bit, but natural /white noise is the most calming. So rain, (yes I know all these things have different colour noise names, whatever) or just being outside. Wind in the trees, all that kind of thing. Good for the soul as well.
You tube has these ten hour loops of various natural sounds, bees are pretty good. There’s a few ‘within bee hive’ ones that I like but there’s all sorts - rain, on trees or water or rock, storms, natural sounds are good
Absolutely nothing works to get rid of it as I’m sure you know so any remedies are scams. If you’ve got one outstanding tone that keeps popping on and out on top of the general roar I find that concentrating on it intensely gets it gone.
I have pretty good savings, and I think I would like to take a sort of sabbatical.
Do it. Life’s too short not to. Just do it. I’ve done similar between jobs before and never regretted it.
My lungs have improved but more lesions appeared on my brain in the same spot as the last ones. I don't know what the fuck to do at this point.
Urgh, you cannot catch a break. What does that even mean?? Would they maybe not expect such a big response in brain due to BBB? I dont know.
I keep you in my prayers, and I think you deserve a smoke and some beers, fuck it.
Has any of your treatment been immunotherapy/combo immune therapy? The ICTriplex stuff being done by Phil Salem is something interesting - all three separate approaches are FDa approved but not the triple whammy he uses, but it’s got a good success rate.
Enjoy your turkey, I’ve heard about this deep frying stuff and I’m in awe at the thought.
 
Would they maybe not expect such a big response in brain due to BBB? I dont know.
The body is really good about protecting and shielding the brain. Unfortunately in my case, it's also good at shielding it from chemo, but I guess not good enough to prevent it from growing more germ cell tumors.
Has any of your treatment been immunotherapy/combo immune therapy?
Yeah. I initially found out about the brain cells when I lost the feeling in my pinkie and ring finger in my left hand. I had a seizure a few days before I was supposed to meet with my doc about it and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. They found them in the CT scan and brought me up to the BMT clinic where I received an immunotherapy for 24 hours followed by my two usual chemos. It was supposed to stop any new cancer cells from being made by the current ones. I got fucked up pretty badly from the immunotherapy and didn't recover well at all from it. It made some enamel flake off a few of my teeth and weakened my immune system to where I got a skin infection that almost killed me. I guess I would be open to doing it again if they think it'll help, I'll just request to be kept inpatient for around a month after so I can have them watch over me next time, I had way too close of a call with that infection (had to call 911, unlocked my door for them and blacked out. Woke up in the trauma room so I don't really want a repeat of something like that.)
keep you in my prayers, and I think you deserve a smoke and some beers
Thanks, it means a lot. I'm calmer today, just trying to keep that way until Friday when I know more.
 
I’m just tired of everything man. I’m tired of incels, tired of jew noticers, tired of ads, tired of politics, tired of all these gambling apps, tired of how corporatized everything is. The list goes on. Obviously there isn’t much I can do so maybe that’s why I’m fixated on this stuff? A wise man once said “It don’t matter. None of this matters.” I have trouble reminding myself of that fact. Maybe I like making myself miserable? It could be worse I suppose.
 
Tinnitus sucks, I have it. I find the noise cancelling ‘suck’ works a tiny bit, but natural /white noise is the most calming. So rain, (yes I know all these things have different colour noise names, whatever) or just being outside. Wind in the trees, all that kind of thing. Good for the soul as well.
You tube has these ten hour loops of various natural sounds, bees are pretty good. There’s a few ‘within bee hive’ ones that I like but there’s all sorts - rain, on trees or water or rock, storms, natural sounds are good
You too, eh? This is crazy - or maybe not - but the only thing that would relax me when both my job and housemate (bimbo boss now gone, housemate also gone) were both making me crazy, the only thing I could relax at all to was stuff like this. Then I discovered long (like 10 hours) loops of distant occasional train whistles. There are enough freaks that like that stuff that there are sound recordings on youtube. I thought I was the only person on the planet that finds that sound comforting.

@WASR96, you are in my (secular) prayers.
 
That's all it is. Professional I may or may not be, if someone is coming to KF for therapy or help beyond 'get help', they're beyond what help can be offered in this medium.
I mean actual therapy. I have had it, and didn’t find it useful at all. It was nice to have a chat, but… I mean what can anyone say? They do all this ‘aha but have you considered..?’ Like it’s some sort of revelation, when the answer is ‘yes of course I have considered that.’
None of the drugs work, they just lobotomise you. I do not think depression is fixable externally, and certainly not via drugs (maybe some organic causes.) therapy is useful for specific, time limited, and directed modes, such as DBT, exposure for phobias etc. It doesn’t really have much utility for depression. SSRIs will one day be the subject of a colossal scandal imo.
germ cell tumors.
Oh, like a choriocarcinoma type thing, or another type? (Sorry none of my biz and you don’t need to answer.)
 
I mean actual therapy. I have had it, and didn’t find it useful at all. It was nice to have a chat, but… I mean what can anyone say? They do all this ‘aha but have you considered..?’ Like it’s some sort of revelation, when the answer is ‘yes of course I have considered that.’
None of the drugs work, they just lobotomise you. I do not think depression is fixable externally, and certainly not via drugs (maybe some organic causes.) therapy is useful for specific, time limited, and directed modes, such as DBT, exposure for phobias etc. It doesn’t really have much utility for depression. SSRIs will one day be the subject of a colossal scandal imo.
Personally I think therapy works if you have a goal in mind going in, you wouldn't just keep going to the doctor when you weren't sick right? I rejected any kind of medication and mostly focused on dealing with my panic attacks with the goal of being able to handle working a job. I won't say therapy didn't open up other mental cans of worms but the goal I set out for worked out. I know why I get my panic attacks and how to deal with them now or at the very least not to be trapped in a spiral when I get one. Regardless never take their pills and if the therapist pushes for you to take them after you have said no find a new therapist.
 
I rejected any kind of medication and mostly focused on dealing with my panic attacks with the goal of being able to handle working a job.
Yeah I think that’s the kind of thing it can work well for. You have a defined goal, attendance at the job and identifying/ managing/reducing/dealing with panic attacks and you go in with a clear objective. You can learn to recognise the initial stages, the triggers, and you can work to divert, reduce, damp down that response, mentally and also physically with breathing etc.
I think if someone’s happy to work with you on that, that’s a perfect example of directed and ‘good’ therapy.
I’m glad you got it under control.
I think if people go to therapy ‘because I’m sad’ that’s too fuzzy in many way. And the kind of therapy that seems to be in vogue where you just go with no goal and go long term because you’re a neurotic mess, well that’s counterproductive.
Half the troons on here seem to go to just get affirmed and learn how to manipulate other people. But therapy for depression I think just doesn’t work at all.
As for drugs, hard no to all of them
 
Then I discovered long (like 10 hours) loops of distant occasional train whistles.
It was light rain and beach noises for me at first and eventually "10 hours of low-pitch fan noise" that did the trick. I don't need it at all anymore, after ~20 years of this shit it stopped bothering me. These days/years i sleep with heavy duty ear protection that filters out any noise except the high-pitch whine of my tinnitus and i do absolutely fine. What "cured" me was living wall to wall next to a construction site for three years, seems i just needed constant noise all day that was even worse than my tinnitus. The tinnitus is pure bliss compared to these three years of unfiltered niggerhell day-in and day-out.
 
I lost a significant amount of weight recently. I look genuinely cut, and I don't really like it. At my age who gives a shit? Anyway I have mixed feelings about it. Sleeping a lot better, so I guess that's something. Otherwise, just exhausted by work and looking forward to a few breaks over the holidays.
 
Trying really hard to make it a habit to take at least one 1 hour walk every day consistently with my dog. 2 days in a row so far. So much for small victories. Baby steps etc.
Banning myself from social media in general has been good for me but I cannot deny that my loneliness has amplified. Still, it means less doom scrolling and less getting angry at people for zero good reason.
Oh well. Here's to tomorrow and keeping my streak going. Hope your Thursday treated you well.
But therapy for depression I think just doesn’t work at all.
Honestly, I feel like I'm two steps away from coming to that conclusion for myself. I'm approaching the 20th anniversary since I first entered the psychiatric system and while I've made strides, leaps even, in the last 2½ year compared to the remaining 17½ years, I'm still depressed and it's quite demoralising to think about in that perspective. I'm happy with my therapist but sometimes it feels like a FlexTape ad, except I haven't found my FlexTape fix yet.
I'm not suicidally ideating right now but man, shit sucks.
 
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