I think the context matters too, like are they talking about shitting in their bloomers because their mothers bought them Rose Art instead of Crayola? Did their sisters steal their pink gel pens? Did their whore teachers confiscate their fruit erasers and jelly bracelets? What level of abuse are we talking about here? #BringBackOurGirlies
I’ve been thinking about this new “performative male” trend that’s been going around… the one where people make fun of guys who act super “feminist” or “soft” (reading feminist books, drinking matcha, talking about therapy) but don’t actually seem to enjoy or believe in any of it.
It’s meant to call out insincerity in cis men, but I can’t help wondering how it lands for trans men.
For a lot of trans men, masculinity is something we’ve had to explore consciously, finding what feels authentic and healthy instead of just copying what’s expected. Many of us do like some of those “soft” or “feminine-coded” things, and it’s not a performance. It’s just part of who we are.
But when the internet starts mocking men for being “performative” or for doing those same things sincerely, it feels like it reinforces this idea that men can’t win: if you’re too tough, you’re toxic; if you’re gentle, you’re fake. And for trans men, that can hit twice as hard, since our authenticity is already questioned so often
I’m curious what you guys think of the trend?
Comments agree and amplify.
Of course making fun of men for acting stereotypically faggoty is an old old story.
As is guys pretending to be feminist to get pussy.
But what's this "performative" trope?
Whatever it is, it bothers pooners.
I’ve been thinking about this new “performative male” trend that’s been going around… the one where people make fun of guys who act super “feminist” or “soft” (reading feminist books, drinking matcha, talking about therapy) but don’t actually seem to enjoy or believe in any of it.
It’s meant to call out insincerity in cis men, but I can’t help wondering how it lands for trans men.
For a lot of trans men, masculinity is something we’ve had to explore consciously, finding what feels authentic and healthy instead of just copying what’s expected. Many of us do like some of those “soft” or “feminine-coded” things, and it’s not a performance. It’s just part of who we are.
But when the internet starts mocking men for being “performative” or for doing those same things sincerely, it feels like it reinforces this idea that men can’t win: if you’re too tough, you’re toxic; if you’re gentle, you’re fake. And for trans men, that can hit twice as hard, since our authenticity is already questioned so often
I’m curious what you guys think of the trend?
Comments agree and amplify.
Of course making fun of men for acting stereotypically faggoty is an old old story.
As is guys pretending to be feminist to get pussy.
But what's this "performative" trope?
Whatever it is, it bothers pooners.
From what I've heard and I could be wrong so any of you youngsters correct me. The Performative male thing isn't so much guys that like feminist or soft stuff, it's more girls filming guys they see sitting and "reading" feminist books while drinking whatever trendy drink is popular right now in the hopes that a girl with come up to them and ask "what are you reading?" Some times these guys have a guitar or a laptop. I've seen videos of these performative males in coffee shops and stuff like that. However a lot of those videos could be staged and once people heard about it you had guys doing that bit but uping it to 11 like playing the guitar while looking at a laptop and reading a book.
Damn I actually went looking for the video I saw on it that explained it a bit and it's gone now. What I took from it was mostly not making fun of girly men more so making fun of guys that are clearly faking something to get female attention. Kind of like all those guys in the 90s that had a guitar on them in the hopes it would get a girl to ask him about it and then all he can play is Wonderwall.
Inspired by @Dolly Brooks’s post about the search term “girlies”, I decided to venture into the depths of r/4tran4. Before I could even hit the search bar I was already ankles-deep in proverbial kiwi-milk. For example they did a survey of the users on the subreddt, and this is the height chart:
The blue represents FTMs and the red represents MTFs.
Even the tranny who made the chart, u/DesiresAreGrey, said:
Probably the most brutal of the comparisons out of the entire survey. Not only is the male height lower than the female height, its also less spread out. I had to extend the bounds of this chart all the way to 20% so it could fit the 5'5 bar being at ~18%, while the most popular mtf choice (5'8 ) is only ~13% of the population.
Now, when he says “male” he means the FTMs and when he says “female” he means MTFs. Basically, the FTMs are generally shorter than the MTFs, but MTFs are more varied in their heights than FTMs. You can find the whole survey at his website, archived here. And yes, he is a man, he says so in his Reddit profile:
Just to emphasize how felted they were by this survey, here’s some choice screenshots from the thread itself:
Come on bro, you can’t give me this much content.
Oh, and, couple of weird things: Apparently several of these people are former 8chan users and a decent portion of them of Finnish. Like, disproportionately so. Dutch, too.
When I first read this, I was too busy laughing at “peak culturally autistic” to notice the “anti DIY culture” line. So, their subreddit is either supportive of or neutral to the idea of DIY HRT. And, according to their own survey, a decent chunk of these people are minors. This is especially true of the FTMs, again, according to their own surveys. That’s fucking ominous.
This person is mad that there are so many young people on the subreddit because they covet their youth. Not because they’re concerned for the well-being of children.
Additionally, I find it amusing that these troons described Dutch healthcare as restrictive. Did the DIY HRT melt this person’s brain? Don’t they know the affirmation model began with the Dutch and that the protocol bears their name? That it’s one of the more permissive approaches? Probably not. It’s not the “informed consent” model which would let these people experiment with their own endocrine systems, so it’s restrictive. And fuck the Netherlands, I guess.
And then there’s this laugh riot:
Again, how bad is the HRT melting their brains? What does this troon mean when he says he needs a list of first and third world countries? Bro…. It’s a fucking term that describes which countries aligned with America, the Soviet Union, or neither. How the fuck you gonna skip history 101?
For a bunch of guys who claim to be more self-aware than other trannies, they clearly skipped their Blanchard. And before I continue, I want to say that I’m not being flippant when I say “guys” because, again, according to their own survey, this sub is 77% male. Sorry, “Woman (MtF)”, to use the nomenclature of Mr. DesiresAreGrey,
Anyway, Blanchard’s typology clearly delineates between HSTS and AGP and explains that the former are gay men and the latter are straight and bisexual. The gay men troon out because they cannot love men openly, which is why trannies outside of the West are largely HSTS. The West is pretty tolerant of homosexuality and men don’t need to crossdress to walk around with their boyfriends. Correspondingly, trannies in the West are usually straight or bisexual men - AGPs. HSTSes usually pass better because gay men have more in common with the average woman than a straight-ish man would in terms of aesthetic sense. That’s why Queer Eye was a thing.
But let’s put this theory to the test! Maybe those dastardly first worlders are more convincing!
Yeah… methinks this Redditor is re-tarded, but that’s me being re-dundant. The top photo is three Thai ladyboys with a woman in green smooshed in the middle. The bottom is Charles Clymer. Neither are especially convincing, but at least the Thai ones have better fashion sense.
Nevertheless, boys will be boys, and the woman in green wrote that one of these ladyboys groped her. Turns out, straight or gay, these trannies are all rapehons. Here’s what she said happened:
Kristin Addis said:
After the show, we had an opportunity to take photos with the various performers. One of the more beautiful ones I had noticed on stage beckoned me over. I couldn’t say no, right?
He (she?) grabbed my hand and slung it over her (his?) shoulder. My friend, Dylan (who attended with me on the pretense that ‘the journalist in him said yes’), snapped a photo just as the unthinkable happened: The ladyboy stuck my hand down her (his?) top.
It rested there for a few seconds (though it felt like hours) before I realized what was happening. I pulled it back out at lightning speed, completely flabbergasted, as the ladyboy laughed at me.
For the remainder of the night I just kept looking down at my hand, unsure of what to do. Do I wash it? Sanitize it? Chop it off? And so, without even meaning to, I made it to second base with a ladyboy. I have now joined the rank and file of tourists in Thailand who have befallen such a fate.
Yep. Laughing at a woman you groped. Such feminine behaviour from most convincing of all trannies cohorts. Good on Kristin for being based and keeping her stride.
If someone says "women don't have prostates" or "men can't menstruate because they don't have uteruses," it's "reducing someone to their parts!" and "hearts not parts!" (your heart is a part, btw)
This is a lot like the “my definition of womanhood is joyous” argument. It’s completely devoid of substance. It’s also a straw-man. When someone says “men cannot menstruate”, they aren’t discussing women at all… let alone reducing women to one thing or another.
Try applying that reasoning to anything else. “Boats can’t fly because they don’t have a jet propulsion engine.” “Wow, are you reducing the definition of planes to their engines? You know they have fuselages, right?” It’s a complete non-sequitur. Saying boats cannot fly does not “reduce” an airplane to an engine, and saying men cannot menstruate does not reduce women to “menstruators”. But you know who does reduce women to “menstruators”? Troons.
I think this language of “reduction” is meant as an appeal to feminist philosophy. Like, a common stereotype of feminists is that they consider gender roles to be “reductive” - limiting women to a discrete number of roles most of which involve giving their male counterparts something. Here, the word “reduction” is used to signal “bad thing” and provoke an emotional reaction. Jokes on them, anyone who likes to cook will just start thinking about sauces.
They’re right in the sense that the name is an abstraction which lacks the material quality of a body. So, like, yeah, you can materially prove that bones are human in a way that you cannot intuit a person’s name. People found in bogs have lost their names and we will never be able to retrieve them. Okay, fine.
Except most people have no issue with people changing their names, do they? Yeah, some feminists and conservatives will be sticklers about using a tranny’s “deadname”… but most don’t. Even the Grand Sneeder of the Transphobic Death Cult Website says shit like “Brianna Wu”. For the vast majority of “transphobes”, using a preferred name is the default choice. Very few people call Robbie White anything but “Blaire”, if only for the sake of clarification.
The only time I’ve seen large numbers of people opt for a deadname is when:
The person became famous before they trooned out (ex. Bruce Jenner).
The troon is clear stealing the name of a woman he wants to humiliate and terrorize (ex. The Gold’s Gym tranny who stole the name of the ex-wife he battered).
The troon has done some Ed Gein level nonsense and people want to be as rude as possible as an emotional band-aid. Trannies themselves will also defer to the “deadname” in these scenarios in order to blame-shift.
That’s it. Which, considering this troon is whining about not being able to control what people say, is extremely generous.
But why is he perseverating about names? Because it’s a deflection. Like I explained above, most normies are cool with tranny neo-names. They only draw the line at the most obvious and egregious exceptions. They are not autistically deadnaming people the way some Kiwis (such as myself) would do. So, if normies are rather forgiving about names, why is whining about that and not, say, sex itself? Why is he saying “homo sapien” instead of “female homo sapien”? Maybe it’s because he falls into one of those exceptions, but I doubt it. He’s shifting the focus to names because he knows that, while names do not have a biological source, sex does. It’s a psychological mechanism by which he scares away cognitive dissonance.
Counterpoint: I have very little interest in pretending Nick “contrapoints” Parrott’s name is “Natalie Wynn” and do not feel moved to respect this ersatz name no matter how many IDs he can get it printed on, even if his sex is falsified to boot. Like, we can just tell when you walk down the street so who do you think you are fooling…?
I’ve been thinking about this new “performative male” trend that’s been going around… the one where people make fun of guys who act super “feminist” or “soft” (reading feminist books, drinking matcha, talking about therapy) but don’t actually seem to enjoy or believe in any of it.
It’s meant to call out insincerity in cis men, but I can’t help wondering how it lands for trans men.
For a lot of trans men, masculinity is something we’ve had to explore consciously, finding what feels authentic and healthy instead of just copying what’s expected. Many of us do like some of those “soft” or “feminine-coded” things, and it’s not a performance. It’s just part of who we are.
But when the internet starts mocking men for being “performative” or for doing those same things sincerely, it feels like it reinforces this idea that men can’t win: if you’re too tough, you’re toxic; if you’re gentle, you’re fake. And for trans men, that can hit twice as hard, since our authenticity is already questioned so often
I’m curious what you guys think of the trend?
Comments agree and amplify.
Of course making fun of men for acting stereotypically faggoty is an old old story.
As is guys pretending to be feminist to get pussy.
But what's this "performative" trope?
Whatever it is, it bothers pooners.
This post and its responses are clear proof, if more (or indeed any) were needed, that trannies are all autistic terminally online retards who have no experience of socializing in person.
Crime statistics say that no, they aren't. "Date rejection violence" is such a miniscule fraction of violence that it's not worth reporting. #1 source of violence is a romantic partner, i.e. a man a woman has already accepted.
Women being in danger when rejecting a man is not confined to 'Date rejection violence'.
As you pointed out, a woman who rejects a man who previously she accepted, (until he showed enough red flags to be rejected) is in FAR more danger than one who rejects a man right off.
With this fact in mind, would you say that its understandable for women to reject a man right away if he shows the slightest red flag, rather than wait and give him a chance?
As you pointed out, a woman who rejects a man who previously she accepted, (until he showed enough red flags to be rejected) is in FAR more danger than one who rejects a man right off.
Police reports show that women initiate domestic violence as often or more often than men. It simply isn't caused by a man flying into an uncontrollable rage when a woman breaks up with him. The idea that men are boiling cauldrons of rage, ready to murder the first woman who tells us, "no," but our kill-switch can be deactivated by saying, "Oh, I'd love to, but I'm busy then," might be entertaining for one reason or another, but it's as fictional as horoscopes and healing crystals.
I decided to look into this guy and started with his Xitter. This self-described “[borderline personality disordered] [body dysmorphia disordered] transsex woman”… and as you can imagine, he’s pretty fucking nuts.
Wow, what an insufferable, self-pitying whiner. Bro acts like feelings cancer is a real thing. He whines about how his mental problems are the same as being born armless while he advocates for policies that will mutilate and disable children. Just fucking loathsome.
Aaaaand here he is coping about the binary nature of sex by describing it as “bimodal”. Plenty of people (myself included) have demonstrated that this is fucking pseudoscience that relies on confusing people about disorders of sexual development. I made an extremely long effortpost explaining why sex is a discrete quality and not something that can be broken in components like “chromosomal” and “hormonal”. That’s cope trannies use to delude themselves into thinking sex is a thing where if they stack enough of the sub categories within it, they can move towards female. This guy thinks he’s smart and self-aware because he doesn’t “hugbox” the way other troons do, but then he perpetuates nonsense like this because he isn’t actually self-aware at all.
In typical BPD fashion, this guy splits everything on Reddit into two categories… which honestly reminds me of something…. Not sure what… anyway, he breaks women’s subreddits into those who permit trannies and those who don’t. The former are full of tranny perverts, and the later is a “TERF haven”. He makes sure to characterize the women who tolerate his presence as “normal women” and women who do not tolerate him as bitches TERFs.
So, basically, he admits that men like him have completely demolished every single space on the mainstream Internet for women to speak. He admits that the only exception are subreddits that are specifically anti-trans. He is complaining about this because he wants to be the only man spying on women. It’s like that joke about a wolf in sheep’s clothing heading up to the flock only to see a bunch of other wolves similarly dressed.
Of course, he obviously considers this to be women’s fault, because women should be able to tell who the trutrans are. Women should always defer to a man’s pronouns unless another man considers him insufficiently “cunty”, and then she must intuit the latter’s demands. Poor wittle Mr. Desires. Women have no place to speak online that is not explicitly anti-trans, local man most affected.
This one is a bit tougher to follow because of his insistence on flip-flopping the sexes. Basically, blue is FTM, red is MTF, he uses terms like “female” and “women” to describe males, and T4T and T4C refer to trans people who want to date fellow trannies as opposed to those who do not. The acronyms mean “Trans for Trans / Cis”, respectively.
He makes a creepy, envious comment about “the power of cis dick” and is oblivious to how his work inadvertently proves Blanchard right. Basically, he’s discovered that “straight chicks” - that is, HSTSes aka gay men - “really like T4C”… prefer actual men as opposed to pooners. Surprise, gay men who transitioned so they could be with men without shame or dispersion expect an actual man as their reward.
By contrast, the “bisexual”, “lesbian”, and “asexual” MTFs preferred their fellow trannies - which conforms to Hsu’s findings about how autogynephilic men like trannies best. Thanks for substantiating the main academic criticism of your ideology, retard.
Honestly, I think the reason he’s pissy is because he is an AGP who falls into that bisexual / “lesbian” / asexual cohort, wants to date an HSTS, and is furious that their limp cock doesn’t cut it. He sounds a lot like both HontraPoints and the Big Philosophy Tube, honestly. I’m gonna keep looking out for furious chaser nonsense from this guy. So far the only piece of conforming evidence I can think of would be his avatar, which features Luz from The Owl House. Luz was in a lesbian relationship with a girl named Amity, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was looking for a lucky lady (male) to make into his own Amity (male). Author’s note: Upon reviewing his Xitter and seeing a number of posts about FTMs being rough with him to assert their masculinity… I’m gonna say he’s just into tomboys. Still an AGP, but not a MTF chaser like some AGPs. Dude likes women, like most AGPs, but likes T-fueled women. Twenty bucks he wanks to Superman x Lois Lane fanart.
This guy can be hard to follow because of his flip-flopped gendered language is, but to clarify for him:
FTMs complain that they receive less attention than MTFs.
If you’re paid attention to the Sideshows thread, you know this is because MTFs start running their mouths and straining their keyboards whenever a pooner says anything ever.
This mentally ill man says that this is bullshit, that pooners should just fight for more visibility, that MTFs don’t push themselves into the spotlight but are rather the victims of “hyper focus” by everyone else, and describes this derangement as “men blaming women for their problems”.
Mr. Desires clearly means that the pooners are unfairly blaming “girls like [him]”, but he inadvertently demonstrates the thing he’s discussing. He is the man blaming women. He is the man who spends his days on imageboards and Reddit whining about women, normies, and other trannies. In fact, here’s one lovely example of him doing all fucking three:
Man who admits that he “boymodes” (has not transitioned) whines about how nonbinaries can “turn their gender off”. I’m sure some girls in Afghanistan wish they could “boymode”, but Mr. Desires is the real victim here.
Here he is coping that everyone (not just him) is AGP:
This dude thinks that “cis women” are sexually objectifying him: a 5’6ft pajeet man in a cheap hoodie. Okay. Sure thing, bro. And apparently his parents tried hypnotherapy to make him less of a creepy fucking sex pest. Honestly, proud of them for doing something, but this guy is so crazy I gotta tap out. Remember, this is a Desi man saying that women like his mother and sister treat him in a way comparable to how the worst “cis men” treat women. What a fucking psycho. Hope he doesn’t steal his sister’s sari and beat off into it. Hope she has a lock on her door and a rape whistle.
Final notes: He has a private Xitter I could not access, he uses the fake name Diana, and he perseverates a lot over how left- or right-wing someone is. His private account has the very creepy username “DesiresArePrey” - a pun on his “DesiresAreGrey” persona. Yuck. Talk about giving people “the ick”. Like with his public Xitter, his avatar is a cute animated brown girl with a tomboyish pixie cut (Lois Lane from the new Superman show). I think he has a type. Yuck 2.0. And that type - FTMs - conforms to a group of people who are on his subreddit and are disproportionately underaged. Yuck x 1000.
I didn’t really archive it because it wasn’t funny, but he seems to think that women = left-wing and that good = left-wing. His definition of “left-wing” probably means “New Left” nonsense and not Marxist materialism because that’s TERFtalk. He emphasizes that TERFs are conservatives, that “theyfabs” (women) are TERFs, that MTFs are totally left-wing, that /tttt/ is left-wing, that FTMs on /tttt/ are left-wing… but not as left-wing as MTFs, etc. It’s funny because surveys have already demonstrated that normal men and women are more aligned politically than trannies and women.
Finally, he frequently whines about AGP perverts / sissies / whatever, but exhibits much of that behaviour himself. He whines when trannies post about their gock in mainstream subs (likely because of the bad optics) but then crawls back to his subreddit to talk about being a smol bean (uwu) and how hot misogyny makes him. Methinks the saar doth protest a bit too much, you bloody trolling stupid!
I mentioned it in one of these threads but I finally got kicked off of reddit because some girl posted about hating being a woman and wanting to die. She hated having periods, she hated that she had to deal with pregnancy if she ever wanted kids, she hated always being weaker than men no matter how hard she worked out, etc. You know…shit that actually sucks sometimes. Predditors were telling this girl she had gender dysphoria because…she essentially hated getting sick once a month and being followed by creepy men?
I’m really late and gay on this, been catching up on the thread but this hit close to home:
Not to PL: I don’t think this was me, because I didn’t post about wanting to ack or anything, but I posted an incredibly similar despairing rant in a “””””women’s””””” subreddit a good couple years back, thinking people would sympathise and help from their own life experiences.
I’ve since deleted the post, and shortly, after my account - I stay off that pozzed shithole now. Yeah, sure, cringe, L, whatever, but I was really going through it at the time; my period and ovaries were making me so ill I couldn’t hold down a job, and I guess when you sit and stew in depression and extreme pain, you can’t help but resent being female, because your sex is indeed the root cause. Being weaker, childbirth, periods, whatever, it can feel like a losing game. I’ve been to lots of doctors appointments for my medical issues since that, and my quality of life is so much better.
There was a massive response, way bigger then I ever thought. There were a few brilliant and sensible people like you, who gave sage advice and did genuinely help me stop dooming so much. Some sympathised, and said they felt the same, but unfortunately had no advice and we’re still trying to navigate it themselves. But that was what, maybe 8-9 of the hundred or so comments?
It was exactly the same on my post as your redditor’s. Nearly all the comments were disgusting trannies diagnosing me with gender dysphoria, pooners recommending testosterone; all of them so condescendingly too, as if I hadn’t already peaked and didn’t know exactly how predatory they were being. I even replied to a pooner and was like no, I do not have gender dysphoria, I just think that being female isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, and it’d be nice to not have to have all these extra worries on my plate. She wouldn’t take no for an answer btw, insisted that meant I was actually non-binary, and DM’ed me lots of faggy brainwashing resources.
The cherry on top was the troons and female arselickers telling me that I was actually being misogynistic, or that what I was complaining about was actually social and not biological, TERF. Don’t you know, in a magical world where women’s healthcare is better, pregnancy and childbirth would be less draining and life changing, or people might care more about endometriosis, PCOS etc? Maybe if the evil cis white men were socialised to be kinder to women, they’d be less rapey and violent and you wouldn't have to worry about self defence or being weaker. Yes, perhaps, but we don’t live in that world do we, you dumb nigger, so what the fuck do I do now? I said that them in a more polite manner, and they just doubled down and said I need to stop viewing femaleness as inherently negative and sort out my internalised misogyny, omegalul.
Had a confirmed troon tell me that my woes about realistically never being able to win in a struggle if a rapehog grabbed me was incredibly sexist, as actually women can be as strong as men if they train hard enough, implying it’d be my own fault for being raped for not doing enough curls at the gym to magically give me the muscle mass of a man. My favourite part was all the faggots agreeing with him.
People always swear there are good trannies and pooners. Funnily enough, all the good ones seemed to be missing when I was being told I was ungrateful for being scared of childbirth because I know a few women who nearly died, and one that did, or that actually, resenting spending at least a quarter of a year until I hit menopause in severe pain that I don’t deserve is something trannies would love to have, and actually periods aren’t supposed to be that painful anyways, so I’m just an exception and don’t matter.
I’ve done a lot of maturing and introspection since then, it doesn’t bother really anymore - being a woman is just another variable of me like eye colour or nose size or handed-ness or toenail shape. It doesn’t have have to be viewed as a weakness in a nonexistent tally in a competition of the sexes, it can just be. You don’t have to be like some people, who were like “uuuhh women have smaller dexterous hands and are more flexible, that’s an advantage!” Women just have smaller hands than men, that’s all. It is what it is, nigga.
Nothing in the world is as soft and weak as water, yet nothing is better at overcoming the hard, formidable and strong. Water does not wish to be stone, it flows as is. When you realise there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you - and all that enlightened wise Taoist goodness/copium, depending on your inclination.
But never forget - trannies and pooners will see me, that poor suicidal girl, and plenty other women begging for an answer at a hard time in their lives, and lick their lips at the thought of abusing and grooming them. TTD.
Least favorite finding: young kids posting about being socially awkward and not having any friends, then a handful of posts about whatever nerd shit they’re into, then it jumps to them trooning out a few years later during Covid. Bleak shit.
