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Kujo Jotaro said:
if being the object of sexual desire was a reason women pooned out you'd think we'd see more beautiful women doing so
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Kujo Jotaro said:
Most women are in some manner attractive, men find the female form attractive, you do not need to be a model to inspire lust.
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Why would we see more beautiful women pooning out as a result of being the object of sexual desire if being beautiful is not a requirement to be the object of sexual desire?
 
Law said:
Why would we see more beautiful women pooning out as a result of being the object of sexual desire if being beautiful is not a requirement to be the object of sexual desire?
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Because the more beautiful you are the more attention you will attract, if being lusted after was such a distressing situation wouldn't one think the people being lusted after the most would be the most distressed?
 
Law said:
Why would we see more beautiful women pooning out as a result of being the object of sexual desire if being beautiful is not a requirement to be the object of sexual desire?
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Pooning out is simple. It is 100% of the time a response to being molested. "My femininity made me be the target of sexual assault so I need to get rid of it as much as possible or I might be assaulted again."
Pooners would rather destroy themselves than just get help because they got molested. Try and find a single Pooner that wasn't molested at some point, you can't.
 
Broadside said:
Pooning out is simple. It is 100% of the time a response to being molested. "My femininity made me be the target of sexual assault so I need to get rid of it as much as possible or I might be assaulted again."
Pooners would rather destroy themselves than just get help because they got molested. Try and find a single Pooner that wasn't molested at some point, you can't.
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Dude, this isn't true. There are many reasons for poonerism, among them:
- the extreme sexualization of the female body, enhanced greatly by social media and very accessible and available porn;
- fear and discomfort of functions or experiences related to being female like periods, (possible future) pregnancy and birth;
- feeling that they are not meeting sex stereotypes, roles and/or expectations;
- much narrower image of woman compared to man - man are the default human with full range of characteristics, emotions, things they want, etc. compared to women, who are the "other" and are mostly serve as being something for the male or in relation to him (girlfriend, wife, mother) - driven a lot by things like literature, movies, tv shows;
- autism - Extreme Male Brain theory, don't understand social cues about sex expectations, roles, etc., face blindness (prosopagnosia), feeling "out of place" and different - so they think this is the reason;
- autoandrophilia, yaoi and written porn consumption (fanfictions);
- being gay, in particular gender nonconforming (masculine women, butch);
- rape, sexual abuse, molestation - in particular long-lasting and during childhood and/or teenage years;
- not wanting to be an oppressor and wanting to be a victim, usually coupled with some B cluster personality disorders;
- online grooming, usually in addition to one or more of the other reasons mentioned above;
- a way to self-harm, usually in addition to one or more of the other reasons mentioned above;
- wanting to be a new person, inventing yourself, running away from other problems;
- alternative fashion and lifestyle, being artsy (among young females);
- for girls - Munchausen by proxy, the parent's fear their gender-nonconforming girl will turn gay, parent's virtue-signaling.

Did I forgot anything? I might have. Anyway, these are at least some of the many reasons females poon.
 
Kujo Jotaro said:
Because the more beautiful you are the more attention you will attract, if being lusted after was such a distressing situation wouldn't one think the people being lusted after the most would be the most distressed?
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You yourself said that "most women are attractive, men find the female form attractive, you do not need to be a model to inspire lust". I think you answered your own question.
 
Broadside said:
Pooning out is simple. It is 100% of the time a response to being molested. "My femininity made me be the target of sexual assault so I need to get rid of it as much as possible or I might be assaulted again."
Pooners would rather destroy themselves than just get help because they got molested. Try and find a single Pooner that wasn't molested at some point, you can't.
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Ah yes, the only possible reason for a woman to be mentally sick is for her to have been raped.
 
Kujo Jotaro said:
Well, they can't practice actual gay sex because they're not men, that doesn't mean they don't get off to it though, and that's what makes them fujos.

The whole "man with a pussy" shiet is a down stream effect. It must always be kept in mind that they genuinely believe they're men trapped in the bodies of women. A common theme you'll see crop up is their insistence that they "love in a gay way"(or something in that vein). They see the romantic dynamics portrayed in their favorite mlm media and begin to believe that they too engage that way romantically, and thus must be gay men.

Nevermind "love is love" bigot, gay love is different, and these gay poons could never engage in icky heterosexual romance.
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EDIT: I embarrassingly did not refresh the thread and jumped in on other users discussing this exact thing in much more depth for multiple pages! Oops! Law and And I Must Scream have pretty much covered it.

This has probably been discussed somewhere upthread at least once, but IMO there is heavy (nearly 1:1) overlap between this kind of TIF and the kind that believe they must not be women because they associate womanhood exclusively with the stereotypes they see in media, and have absorbed the idea that women are naturally gender conforming and think less deeply than they do.

What they’re expressing when they say they “love in a gay way” or want to be in a relationship with a man as a man is really that they want to be seen as an equal in their partnership and not as a sex object (never mind the fact that these two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive with the right guy), and they have been conditioned to not see women as equal to men. Not to mention the morally neutral fact that young men are, on average, pretty horny and will be clear if they find a woman attractive. They just don’t have the level of feminist consciousness or theory of mind to put two and two together and realize that this doesn’t make them any different than the average “cis” woman, and that women all around them of various levels of traditional femininity grapple with this feeling and factor “sees me as an intellectual equal” into their search criteria for a partner.


I am pretty certain of this because it’s this exact feeling that caused me to ID as nonbinary for a short period in my early 20s, before I realized what was going on and quit it. I had always been very anxious, especially in romantic situations with men, to the point that I felt incapable of a relationship and questioned my sexuality. The last dates I went on in college were with a friend who was kind and interesting, and even then, when he kissed me I went home and cried from the stress it brought up because I felt nothing but dread at the prospect of letting him down.

I had a breakthrough some time after where I realized that I was stressed by romantic attention from men because they “saw me as a woman,” but instead of extrapolating the obvious conclusion (I am uncomfortable with being an object of desire and with the expectations of others) my tumblr conditioning took over and I thought “oh, this is discomfort with my gender! Maybe I’m not a woman.” Some time later I peaked and realized I was being retarded, I was just a woman who had somewhat severe but understandable sexual hangups. Many such cases.
 
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Kujo Jotaro said:
Lol, lmao even.

The army of gaidens seems to contradict your assertions, but I'm tired of hashing this shit out, you're not going to change my view and I doubt you'll change mine.
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I wasn’t trying to change your view, I was providing anecdotal evidence that I felt supported an observation from your original comment. Was not aware it had become an argument. Have a good day!
 
Amaro said:
I wasn’t trying to change your view, I was providing anecdotal evidence that I felt supported an observation from your original comment. Was not aware it had become an argument. Have a good day!
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I see you're new here, I wasn't trying to end an argument because it wasn't really an argument, just a disagreement. A disagreement that has been discussed numerous times already, and at a certain point you just have to agree to disagree.

I don't even 100% deny that certain women could have such a psychological profile that would lead them to poon out, what I deny is that its the predominat cause of pooners.
 
This thread is in dire need of some pooner foibles. Let's get some going!

A pervy poon prefers porn that presents a prettier picture than the pieces she's purveyed. The comments in this one, as usual, claim that it's those damn cissies at the heart of FTM fetishization without realizing that probably about 90% of TiF erotica (art, literature, comics, etc.) is made by poons for poons. Anyone who is forced to keep the company of online artists, especially in fandom spaces, can attest to this.
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I kinda think a lot of FTM nsfw media sucks(don’t burn me)​

I could just not be looking hard enough, but I personally feel like a lot of FTM nsfw media is boring. A large majority of it is the trans man bottoming( there’s nothing wrong with that btw, do what makes you happy man woohoo)And using their pre set junk. I know preferences differ for everyone but I just wish there was more representation for guys that just want to top. More medioplasty, phallo, or just regular T dick rep. Sometimes the media feels kinda strange, the top is usually a cis guy or someone with male preset genitalia and kind of force feminizes the bottom? I could be going insane though. Please, does anyone else feel like this at times? Is there a way you have personally delt with it or do you just keep it pushing. Have to make it clear that what you’re into is what you’re into, not judging. This is just my personal opinion.
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Speaking of what whets the whistles of these women, what do the girls of r/FTM beat their, er, mini-meat to? Surprisingly, it's a rather benign selection compared to what you may expect of a similar question asked to r/MTF. Why, I don't even see a single person reporting "femcirc" (the cutesy porn term for FGM), oviposition, knotting or sexual slavery! It's like these girls don't even know what Bluesky is.
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what do you like to jack off to?​

need some new material so no judgement!
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[–]Cosmo_Creations
Sometimes just men’s POV of blow jobs or themselves jacking and pretending it’s my dick

[–]ZephyrValkyrie
Hot lady

Just the one?​
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What can we say, she gets the job done.​

[–]clockwork_skullies
I’ve turned to audio porn pretty recently. Idk why, but one day all of the sudden porn made me super uncomfortable to watch. I felt like I was intruding on someone’s privacy which is hilarious in context. Audio porn is also catered to the listener and there’s all kinds of stuff you can listen to.

[–]nuclearbomb_enjoyer
Tbh I lowkey don't listen to or watch anything I just rawdog it idk

damn you just got it like that​

[–]sierra-echo-november
Monsters

[–]Xollard
Hot men, I guess. As I've been getting more comfortable with myself, I've been getting more and more into FTM porn specifically (and it actually exists now)

[–]Chop-Top-Suey
my mind or bara hentai depends on the day

[–]femmeftmdikhungry
FTM porn and wlw, tho in ftm I can't find a chubby twink version its always jacked guys:( which isn't a bad thing but variety helps.
If there's one thing that makes TiFs and interesting breed of genderfreak to follow over TiMs, it is their blatant honesty about how dissatisfied they all find their goofy surgeries. While this often hurts their fellow FTMs (as basically all subs that even come close to talking about phalloplasties or metoidioplasties gets tyrannical about criticism towards these procedures), they are at least forthright about just how unlike the real deal their rotdogs tend to be.
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Bottom Surgery Hate?​

What’s the deal with all the hate against bottom surgery in the ftm community? I see people hate on phallo all the time, which I know is not a perfect surgery, but for a lot of dudes it works for them. I’ve also seen a lot of uneducated trans dudes talk shit about meta which I don’t understand at all. Does anyone know why this is? I’m came out as trans over 15 years ago because I knew I was born with a birth defect that I needed medical intervention for and knew that I would never feel fully like the man I am without changing that. I know that’s not the case for everyone, but I just don’t get the shit talking about these surgeries when we get them for extremely valid reasons.
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After decades of lesbian sex, a TiF wonders how to enjoy having straight sex that she would consider sex between gay males. This one is a funny misrepresentation of man-on-man sex dynamics; there are actually a comical number of gay male bottoms who derive pleasure entirely from being used and abused by the men topping them, which is another baffling sex phenomenon that makes me wish whatever's in the water making frogs gay would at least have the decency to give us superpowers.
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Top/bottom dynamics as a queer trans man​

I’ve been wrestling with this for a while and I’d like to hear what y’all think, it’s hard to find places to discuss this irl because it’s such a niche issue.
Cis gay male relationships are often portrayed as having a designated top and a designated bottom. It’s assumed that the top is getting his pleasure and his orgasms from penetrating his partner and the bottom is getting his pleasure and (hopefully) orgasms from being penetrated or being stimulated/stimulating himself while that happens. But when you’re a trans man, penetrating your partner (while very fun) doesn’t necessarily guarantee that you will feel much physically or have an orgasm, especially if you’re using toys or methods that don’t give feeling to the top.
In my view it’s important to make sure your partner is satisfied, regardless of roles or positions, but how can a trans male top get his pleasure/get off when topping his partner doesn’t necessarily do it?
Of course there are myriad hypotheticals to fix this, but I’m looking for more real life examples. In my experience of ~20 years having (mostly really lovely, if one-sided) sex with other AFAB people, both cis and trans, they don’t seem to notice or be bothered about the imbalance of who has gotten physical pleasure/gotten off, especially after bottoming/orgasming. Sort of an odd inversion of the stereotypical cishet guy not noticing or thinking that he ought to make sure his female partner orgasms too. It’s certainly nice to feel like you can turn your partner to jelly but it can be a bit lonely never having that pleasure reciprocated.
Looking forward to hearing any advice/success stories!
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A straight girl wonders if any other straight girls who call themselves gay boys had moments of trying to pretend they weren't straight girls. What do the comments say? Well, a lot of them seem very, very fixated on the label of "gay," for starters...
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Any other gay ftm men try to convince themselves they liked girls when they were younger?​

Very bizarre time in my life. Pre transition I def looked like a lesbian. I spent a lot of time trying to convince myself I was at least bi, because if I didn’t like girls, why was I so… fruity? I guess? Hard to describe but I felt queer. Now I wonder if it was compulsive heteronormativity talking. Trying to like girls to feel more like a guy, even though I didn’t know I was trans yet.
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[–]Easy-Ad-230
Yeah I had a weird comphet phase where I tried to convince myself that I was attracted to women. I felt guilty about feeling queer and being so involved with lgbt stuff without liking women and before I came out as trans. I had this underlying feeling that I definitely wasn't a straight woman, but I didn't want to acknowledge being trans so I focussed on my sexuality instead.

Yeah I had that same guilty feeling​
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Yeah and I almost think there's an element of heteronormativity to it as well. Like because I felt masculine, I tried to legitimise my masculinity by having an interest in women, because being a man and being gay felt very taboo, or like I was doing something wrong. I guess I felt uneasy about being a trans man, so tried to cling to some aspect of myself that felt more normative, even if I was lying to myself at the time.​
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Plus it’s way easier to be a straight women than a gay trans man, so I tried to lean away from it​

[–]jayyy_0113
I was definitely bi/pan identifying before I realize I was a guy. Then I realized I’m not really attracted to women other than in an aesthetic or platonic way.

[–]soupyloopz
i feel like i confused myself with the wrong flavor of gay. things make much more sense now.

[–]nycanth
Yeah lmao I looked at a girl's ass for too long and decided I was bisexual for half of my life. Totally contrived. Then I was like "I have so much in common with guys, they'll let me hang out with them now". I was one of those girls who just has suuuch high standards for girls and that's why I don't like any in real life while proceeding to have a track record of the worst boys imaginable.

[–]Practical_Goose_5842
I was somewhat sexually attracted to women but not men (mostly asexual), until I started T and now I'm not attracted to women and fully into men. I always knew I was trans but through middle school I doubted myself enough to where I thought I was a lesbian though.
 
Kujo Jotaro said:
Even if this was the case it would only apply to a very niche group of pooners; most pooners were mid to frumpy tier women before they transitioned. It's rare to see an actually attractive woman poon out.
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I don't know, I've seen some pretty cute ones, in the same way you see extremely masculine men who started out presumably attractive before turning into hideous hons. These are usually those tiny little doods in bowties named Aidan or something.

Neither of those are fooling anyone. Nobody is believing this 5'1" Aidan wearing a bowtie is a man. Also what is with the bowtie thing? Nobody male under the age of 80 who isn't completely gay is wearing one of those.
 
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I don't know, I've seen some pretty cute ones, in the same way you see extremely masculine men who started out presumably attractive before turning into hideous hons. These are usually those tiny little doods in bowties named Aidan or something.
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I used to know this really hot young woman who has subsequently pooned out, now she has the full scrubby-beard-backwards-baseball-cap-Gayden- glare thing going on. Tragedy worthy of Shakespeare.
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Neither of those are fooling anyone. Nobody is believing this 5'1" Aidan wearing a bowtie is a man. Also what is with the bowtie thing? Nobody male under the age of 80 who isn't completely gay is wearing one of those.
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Pretty sure they got it from Matt Smith as Doctor Who.
 
Tragi-Chan said:
I’d add social contagion/fitting in with peers.
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Right! Thank you.

I'll also add, if it's not clear, many times is not just one reason but a mix of a few reasons.

Kerry Benton said:
Jamie Raines / Jammiedodger is making a second channel so she can make content that isn’t focused on trans stuff. She’s burnt out from constantly having to make videos about transphobia.

https://youtu.be/wCAfKQNoaKc?si=wQF_ayDqKv6xyXMR

Click bait title, “I’m transitioning… again”
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Well. I did something that I haven't done in a long time, which is to actually watch her video because I really wanted to see what her excuses for it is. Even though it gives her views, which I don't want to do. Honestly, there is nothing too interesting there. The video summed in one sentence: "the hate is too much for me to handle and I am a person beyond just being trans, I have interests that I want to share".

She lies in it by the way, she claims she cite the studies she supposedly based some of her videos on. Lies, she never cites anything, which makes it hard to go and refute it. Show me one video of hers in which she put citations/references in the description. Just one.

Of course she mentioned her PhD as a proof that she is an expert on the subject. Her PhD is about sexuality (not gender studies and of course not something in the field of medical/health or any hard sciences), by the way, which was published in the same year she had published her last co-authored study. So you might forgive me if I am not deeply impressed by it.

She says she doesn't read the comments most of the time to "protect herself", which is quite obvious.

lmao of course she says that all the "hateful" and "transphobic" comments are "from hateful and bigoted alt-right extremely political sheep with too much time on their hands". Never mind that some of these comments point out the self-contradict, illogical, unscientific, full of fallacies, cult-like nature of the trans doctrine.

My take: basically she realizes people are losing interest in the trans movement which gives her less views. She banks on the fact that she had made herself many very young cult followers fans who adores her and have plenty of time to watch her asinine videos.

These videos would be even easier to produce than the ones on the trans issues because it requires even less work. No need to find relevant memes, no need to even attempt making arguments. Not that she puts much effort there, her "arguments" are ridiculously easily refutable. But still, less work. Just sitting in front of the camera and blah blah blah about something.

Anyway, I hate her. The amount of young females she is partly responsible for ruining their lives is unbelievable. Her damage is huge.
 
Magic Pickle said:
I know preferences differ for everyone but I just wish there was more representation for guys that just want to top. More medioplasty, phallo, or just regular T dick rep. Sometimes the media feels kinda strange, the top is usually a cis guy or someone with male preset genitalia and kind of force feminizes the bottom?
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There's not enough pooner topping porn!

It's a total mystery why that is, eh?

Pooner, please. In spite of everything you've done to your bodies, you're all still in a Wendys, not the Ram Ranch.
 
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