Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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People tend to talk about a lot of lol cows on this forum so i thought it would interesting to talk about a unique channel in the world of fitness. It has some funny elements but i think its a worth while story to share

This is gorge leeman he grew up as the typical american kid who was into WWE and weight lifting at a young age.
This is him at 17 lifting an insane 675lb for reps, on or off gear thats an insane feat at the age of 17.
He then went on an insane bulk and pretty much stopped taking photos or making content in order to focus on powerlifting.
Fast forward a few years and hes making early fitness influencer style content, talking on topics and sharing his advice in a very 1 on 1 kind of way to the camera.
Very similar to youtubers like Elliott Hulse but with none of the pusedo philiosphical garbage on top and just genuine advice.
Amazing videos like talking about gay shit in fitness.
Shoulder recovery and injury prevention.
And bad gym partners

Now at this point in his career he had a girlfriend who was into powerlifting and they were really close and sooner or later they broke up. Their was a video of him cooking stakes and smoking a cigar while talking about this but i think its gone. He talks about focusing on body building and just working on himself from now on and about his depressed he felt. It seemed like a situation where she wanted to brake up but not him.

Then we get a video of his new girlfriend, little. A girl he found since he had moved to Cambodia. At first and i think a lot of viewers were unsure about this move but he simply kept providing online coaching and posting videos about fitness stuff

As the years went on he stuck with this little asian girl and they seem to have a loving marriage, one of his last videos is him talking about how he no longer bothers with coaching because he now invests his money in real-estate and simply its better for him to spend his time and money managing property and not doing coaching or making fitness content.

I think its a interesting story in the world of fitness because often you find sad stories of people latching onto fading fame by constantly bringing up their former accolades and simply cannot let go and enjoy other aspects of life.
 
I like grocery haul videos but I feel like I'm constantly being gaslit by content creators. They're like aliens walking into a grocery store for the first time. Plucking random bags of preprocessed ingredients. Totally unphased and possibly unaware of dramatic fluctations in food prices. Happily paying luxury prices for ground beef, imported fruited and pre-sliced sandwhich meat in a bag.

I spend more time cooking and eating than I do working out, and I work out a lot. I have a cost optimized diet of primarily pork tenderloin and vegetables. Maybe most people don't like eating the same thing every day, but I think my cooking is delicious.

Anyways here's the video that triggered me, still way better than Mike's video. Leevan is legit PushLord.
 
Mrs and I live off batch cooking. I do all the cooking so I'll make a ton of chicken thighs or pork chops and we'll flip em up over the week. So the protein is the same but it's very easy to adapt to meals nothing like each other.

Easy to do and if you want can be very strict on macros or loose nothing says you can't do a stir fry one night then stew etc.

Since winter is coming here and we're already getting down to high 30s at night where I am, winter bul....fat is gonna come on, I'm thinking running 2 weeks D-bol before this hits.
 
I’ve had it with my cheap gym and just tried a trial pass at a much more up market gym and holy fuck it’s a different world.

Plenty of working equipment that’s free, even at 6pm. A cafe serving healthy food. I could go for a mother fucking swim after a sauna after the session.

I think I’m going bourgie at the end of this month and joining. Fuck poor people and having to work out with them.
 
i've been lifting for real for about a year now, i've been following the leangains method for diet and workout and it's been going very well for me. i was at 178lbs at January and am now down to about 150lbs but my lifts are very steady and slowly increasing and my physique is way leaner. carbs are at a minimum, diet is mostly chicken breasts with fat trimmed, broccolli, greek yogurt and fat free milk. no more noob gains but i don't get angry anymore when i fail my first set, i just accept that i'll have good days and bad days and go with it. i have a runner's body so i'm probably never going to look like those guys that have arms the size of pythons but i'm happy with how i look and how much i can lift right now.
Imam Shamil said:
Steven Seagal is just a harmless retard that everyone plays along with. Mike has probably decieved thousands if not millions of nattys with utter garbage lifting advice.
Seagal has aura too. That nigga looks cool and ate watermelon with Putin. Mike is just a short, ugly, pathetic loser.
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seagal also put out a folk album which is actually not as horrendous as you'd think
 
For the dudebro labcoats, is this retarded or good?

Also does anyone else get dry-wall punch mad on ashwagandha? I know the alleged increase in test is dubious but when I take it my sleep is noticeably easier. I've been taking it for two or three weeks now and I'm experiencing constant anger. Not against people or anything but like how KingCobra - God rest his soul - would destroy inanimate objects that defied him. I see what he meant about the lighter acting cute.
It might just be me, I'm cutting too.
I've taken it before and not experienced this.
 
ok i have a problem with getting my arms days in order. i can't figure out what days i should be doing overhead press, weighted chinups, triceps exteions and bicep curls on. right now i have things sorted around like this but it still doesn't seem right to me.

A
Deadlift
Overhead press
Weighted chinups
Bicep curls

B
Bench press
Barbell row
Calf extensions
Triceps extensions

C
Squat
Weighted chinups
Triceps extensions
Bicep curls

anything that should be moved around?
 
GameratePTSD said:
For the dudebro labcoats, is this retarded or good?
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Any muscle building exercise that has you on the floor on your hands and knees is retarded. Generally just ask
  • Can I see myself doing this everyday?
  • Can I do this in any gym? In a home gym?
  • Can I track progression?
Progression would be difficult because you need a full range of kettlebells, which is thousands of dollars for a home gym, and not available in most gyms. And personally I could not see myself getting hyped everyday to go and flip flop a kettlebell while in missionary position on the floor.

Reverse curls, fat grip bars, wrist curls, and plenty of other arm workouts using barbells or dumbbells would be better. Look into what professional arm wrestlers do.
sodaboard said:
anything that should be moved around?
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How many weeks in a row have you honestly done this program successfully? I wouldn't move anything around, I'd remove lifts from this. Too many things. Arm day is unnecessary unless you are no longer progressing in deadlift, bench and OHP.
 
First good good at my new bourgie gym. Been out for a few weeks with an injury and thinks being mental in work.

Took advantage of the sauna when I finished, holy shit . I should be aching now but nothing after a nice long sauna, No DOMS or niggles at all.

Think I’m going to pretty much hit that bitch nearly every day to get the health benefits saunas can give you, REDT DAYS I’ll just do a bit of super light cardio then sweat like a pig for twenty minutes.
 
GameratePTSD said:
For the dudebro labcoats, is this retarded or good?
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I’m going to say retarded. I’m not going to out right dismiss working on supination and pronation and the relevant muscles, quite the opposite. I can see quite some use for that for boxers given the mechanics of some of their punches, but doing it in this way seems retard compared to alternatives.
Doing a standing or seated variant with cables or dumbbells seems more sensible.

Even then, it’s definitely not something most people will really ever need to or substantially benefit from adding to their training, outside of trying to get a novel stimulus, horsing around, or LARPing as the Bugez (a most admirable of goals, but zerchers would be better for that).
 
JoseRaulChupacabra said:
Dorian Yates responds to (((Mike Israetel)))
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vb7UZGcryBA
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Just ran across this one in my suggestions.

Wonderful to see someone with as much status in the industry as Dorian pulverizing this little fat jew's head in with a sledgehammer in a 30 second soundbyte. It's been delicious seeing this unwarranted ego driven narcissist implode his entire career.

The fucking nerve to even suggest, he was bigger and stronger than Mentzer. He looked like an 80s comic book hero out of Marvel with how aesthetic he was. I don't agree with his training method, since it just doesn't work for me. But that's not me saying he's not within the top ten physiques ever to grace the planet. Him and Frank Zane are my personal favs. More so Frank since he was a sleeker, sports car where as Mike is bulldozer.
 
Wesker said:
The fucking nerve to even suggest, he was bigger and stronger than Mentzer
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I think that Israel was doing that stupid “barely one standard deviation to the right of mean IQ” bullshit where what he said was technically true, but not in the way any normal person would take it.

He was bigger/heavier than Mentzer when he last went on stage. About 2 pounds more than Mentzer’s comp weight iirc. The problem is that mister Mike was a fat fuck on stage who fucked up his diaretics and his tan. And lost like a little bitch because he sucks and has terrible genes for bodybuilding. But he was still heavier/fatter on stage, so it’s technically true.
Likewise, I believe Kike Israel’s best lifts when he was a power lifter were better than Mentzers best lifts. But that’s not saying much, ofc a fat fuck power lifter is going to be stronger than a body builder. It also means fuck all now, since Mike is a weak fuck who barely benched 240lbs for two reps before reaching failure. But again, his all time best lifts from more than a decade ago were better than Mentzers, so he can defend it as technically true.

Of course, nobody hears “I’m bigger and stronger” and thinks in these bullshit technicalities. They hear “I’m larger, better looking, stronger, and more athletic.” Because that’s normally what the phrase means. And is also 1000% how Mike meant it. But he’ll retreat to these retarded defenses if pressed on it, because in his narcissistic midwit brain it is a valid defense that makes him look good and maintains credibility. In reality, it just further reveals him as the delusional NPD lying kike he really is.
DSP's Tax Lawyer said:
This isn't the first time he has gone after Mike. Mr Mike going after Mike Mentzer really pissed off Dorian since Mike basically coached him to Olympia success. Mentzer did what Mr Mike never can
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Mikes failure as a coach is easily the most damning and underrated criticism of his entire career and method. Sure, he’s an awful bodybuilder. But plenty of coaches aren’t necessarily the best at their sport. Likewise, plenty are utter basketcase lolcows.
But the proof of their methods is their ability to take others and make them successful. Mike, to my knowledge, has never done that. Nor has any great athlete or bodybuilder relied upon or credited RP for their success. That silence is deafening imo. And with all the industry connections and money he has now, you’d think they’d at least be able to bribe someone into pretending their methods are great like what Nautilus and Jones did with the Colorado Study. But even that hasn’t happened.
 
JoseRaulChupacabra said:
Dorian Yates responds to (((Mike Israetel)))
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vb7UZGcryBA
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Everyone focuses on the "I'm bigger and stronger than Mike Mentzer. I'm more educated than Mike Mentzer" soundbite, which is utterly ridiculous on its own, but what's crazier to me is that it came at the end of a 3-minute monologue he had on Mentzer which really highlights how far gone this clown is.

Starts from 0:40 in this clip to the 4 minute mark:

And when you remember that this guy has won nothing, coached no one who won anything, and couldn't even take his PhD thesis seriously....I just have no words.
 
Stanley Ipkiss said:
Everyone focuses on the "I'm bigger and stronger than Mike Mentzer. I'm more educated than Mike Mentzer" soundbite, which is utterly ridiculous on its own, but what's crazier to me is that it came at the end of a 3-minute monologue he had on Mentzer which really highlights how far gone this clown is.

Starts from 0:40 in this clip to the 4 minute mark:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hMc_XKAwUA
And when you remember that this guy has won nothing, coached no one who won anything, and couldn't even take his PhD thesis seriously....I just have no words.
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You can see the bubble gut on Mr Mike while he sits down in that sweatshirt. Glad he is getting clowned on so hard
 
I keep getting fed videos about Jeff Nippard and I don't get it. I guess people don't like the "science based" marketing. I guess he's changing up his routine?

It just all comes back to selling a program. Every time I've pirated a "program" or "premium" content it's actually worse than the normal stuff you see on YouTube. There's a huge market for total slop. Remote coaching is also weird.
 
I recently switched from a 4 day to a 5 day program.
(Starting from Sunday ending on Saturday)

4 day:
rest, legs, upper, rest, legs, upper, rest

5 day:
upper, rest, legs, push, pull, legs, rest

It feels good. Had to mess around with a few exercise orders to make sure everything slots in just right but overall I really like the push pull legs upper split. Going to do this for 12 weeks then I might actually divorce myself from the week and experiment with a rotating push, pull, legs, rest. I have enough free time to go to the gym whenever I want during non work hours so I'm thinking there's no reason to tie myself down to specific days of the week.
 
CrunkLord420 said:
I keep getting fed videos about Jeff Nippard and I don't get it. I guess people don't like the "science based" marketing. I guess he's changing up his routine?

It just all comes back to selling a program. Every time I've pirated a "program" or "premium" content it's actually worse than the normal stuff you see on YouTube. There's a huge market for total slop. Remote coaching is also weird.
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For about the past 5 years, the paradigm of popular online fitness has been "What is scientifically proven?", instead of "How do people actually get big and strong?". Old knowledge bad, new science good. But the old knowledge, going back to the 70s, is how guys have gotten big for 50 years. Eat more food, lift more weights, focus on the big lifts, add more weights or volume, and you'll get bigger and stronger.

The success of Nippard and Mr. Mike has started to irritate anyone who has been in the gym long enough to see and experience what gets results. "Train harder than you did last week" and "Horsecock giant weights around and have a motivated mindset" can only be repeated so many times before the content dries up. But for that Youtube sloppa game, the science gimmick has endless content. What's more scientifically effective, 3x10 or 4x8? What's the tier list for hamstring exercises? Which kind of curl will elongate my biceps the most, scientifically? What is the best protein window? How many micrograms per pound of bodyweight should I have in protein and creatine? Etc.

Beginners will watch that kind of content and confuse themselves into a state of analysis paralysis where the basic tried and true advice is ignored. They might go into a gym and lie flat on the floor doing cable flies, setting a timer on their watch for rest sets, and using a scale to measure their macro intake, all to have "the best" routine. But they can't even squat their own body weight yet.

It's just intellectually and practically dishonest, especially for the frauds like Mr. Mike who gloss over the fact that you can literally do pretty much any program to get big when you're on grams of gear per week. It ignores their original journey and how they actually got big themselves. And many of the studies used are not about actual groups of men who got huge; the sample groups are sometimes measuring elderly people with bodies nobody wants.

People are just finally calling them out, and the drama is entertaining. I really try not to watch any fitness content anymore; there's nothing new to say and the real answer is not going to be found in a video, it's found through personal experience of pushing oneself day after day.
mars said:
no reason to tie myself down to specific days of the week.
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I do something very similar, and also found that tying myself to specific days of the week for each exercise was counter-intuitive. The next exercise is the one I want to do, not the one I'm scheduled to do. I also do not force a rest day either; if I feel good enough to do meaningful lifts, I do it. If I feel like I tweaked something or really can't exert myself, I rest. I've gone over a month without a rest day plenty of times this year and am making progress like never before.
 
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