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Unimaginative Username said:
We should declare HRT to be a chemical weapon and treat unauthorized possession or distribution as a terrorist act (given both the words and deeds of the trannies themselves, this is not even an exaggeration).
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Considering how the gels can transfer to other people and pets this argument may have some weight to it.
 
Do you ever catch yourself getting tranny intrusive thoughts even after a long time of being out of the cult? Could just be an underlying illness but its scary how much its affected my thinking.
 
Arquebusier said:
What if we jack up the price of HRT so trannies can't transition
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it really bugs me how trannies stole the term "hrt" from postmenopausal women and people with intersex disorders and/or hormonal problems. why is it even called hrt when a tranny does it? they arent replacing a lack of anything. should be renamed to "cosmetic hormonal overdosing" or some shit.
 
Crunchy Bone Sandwich said:
it really bugs me how trannies stole the term "hrt" from postmenopausal women and people with intersex disorders and/or hormonal problems. why is it even called hrt when a tranny does it? they arent replacing a lack of anything. should be renamed to "cosmetic hormonal overdosing" or some shit.
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Surprised they didn't immediately give it another name that stuck. titty skittles I guess is too on-the-nose about it being a fetish drug. They do love their "scientific" angle.
 
Crunchy Bone Sandwich said:
it really bugs me how trannies stole the term "hrt" from postmenopausal women and people with intersex disorders and/or hormonal problems. why is it even called hrt when a tranny does it? they arent replacing a lack of anything. should be renamed to "cosmetic hormonal overdosing" or some shit.
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They pretend the hormones they are getting are the hormones their body needs because their magical gender identity is apparently what counts, not their actual sex. They think that if they "feel like a girl", for example, their body needs estrogen, not testosterone. No, really, they actually say that. If they feel good after taking it (might be placebo effect at least in part but whatever), they claim this is a proof that this is what their body needs and craves. I wish I was joking.

I refuse to play along, by the way. I always call it cross-sex hormones, not hrt. Because that what it really is.
 
Super Mario Brothers said:
Do you ever catch yourself getting tranny intrusive thoughts even after a long time of being out of the cult? Could just be an underlying illness but its scary how much its affected my thinking.
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Yep. It gets bad for me a few times a year. Complicating this is the fact that any sort of psychotherapy that isn't "affirming" is virtually nonexistent, so I'm on my fucking own. It feels like the whole system is rigged to push me down a path that I, as a competent adult, have decided that I don't want to go down. So I've become my own therapist out of necessity. I accept that I feel a certain way sometimes, but that this has nothing to do with being born in the wrong body. It has everything to do with the rigid ideals of masculine/feminine I was raised with, my family dynamics as a child, documented mental illnesses, and possibly a medical reason pertaining to how my body processes sex hormones (this was a recent revelation for sure, still figuring out how to proceed). So yeah, the thoughts do still come around. But if anything, they just galvanize me further against the "experts" who peddle this bullshit. They've perpetrated medical malpractice on a grand scale, and they've subjected thousands of people to treatment that wasn't right for them. If this was any other condition, mental or otherwise, people would be getting stripped of their credentials. But because this is so heavily politicized, it continues at the expense of people like us. I hate them for it.
 
mr. testicular torsion said:
its when a pooner still considers herself a lesbian when in a relationship
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if the language has become that fucked, then I consider them basically completely porn brained and in denial of thier own sexuality.
Super Mario Brothers said:
Do you ever catch yourself getting tranny intrusive thoughts even after a long time of being out of the cult? Could just be an underlying illness but its scary how much its affected my thinking.
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the worst I do is use their language like cis, I have a natural disgust reaction when being around one or their more corrupted language. Tho i think i got innoculated to it because of my experience to the furry fandom therians/otherkins which happened way before this mess.

I mean the whole trans idea seems to be the gender form of "On all levels except physical, I am a wolf"
 
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As a thought experiment, I'll try to steelman pro-tranny arguments because I'm interested in how people on here would best debunk them. Obligatory: I'm not a gocksucker I'm just curious and would like to hear people's arguments.

If nonbinary identities are inherently reductive and sexist, why is it that the people advocating in favor of them are largely feminists, while those against it are often antifeminist? Furthermore, why are nonbinary identities only present in egalitarian countries if they're reductive and sexist?

If someone says they're trans, they likely introspected a lot about it and discussed it with a therapist who knows what they're doing. They likely also tried living as a gender nonconforming man/woman first but found it unsatisfactory. Why would someone who isn't the trans-identifying person feel like they have better insight than the trans-identifying person or the professional therapist in what's best for them? Just saying "it's a cult/ideology" to someone who is very confident in their identity wouldn't be enough to make them reconsider, even if you're right.

On having your significant other transition: People naturally go through changes like growing older, getting new personality traits or opinions, losing a job, losing or gaining weight and in general still discovering themselves. Why would a sex change be any more different than seeing a spouse/girlfriend/boyfriend change in any other way?

On AGPs: Isn't it good that they challenge what men can and can't wear? Isn't it completely possible that they're only disliked because they're off-putting and hideous, instead of for any actual morality reason? Wouldn't this imply that men who are more conventionally attractive and androgynous are less immoral than the ugly men? Of course, you have boundary breaking behavior from AGPs: the rapists, the skinwalkers, the groomers... But if he is acting respectably and doesn't do anything bad, would there still be an issue?

The common consensus on Kiwifarms is that SRS is butchery, it sells false promises and it blatantly lies to the misguided tranny about how far modern medicine has come. The same can be said about puberty blockers for children: they keep the child underdeveloped physically, mentally and keeps them a permanently dependent on predatory medicine. It's logical to have these butcheries made illegal. But at the same time, this makes it impossible for any tranny to ever pass because any way except for crossdressing is immoral or made illegal. Wouldn't this be unfair to those (even if it's 0,0001% of all people) who would genuinely be happier after going through those surgeries? If they're adults and give fully informed consent, knowing every single possible complication, wouldn't it be their right to do whatever they want with their bodies? Not only that, but isn't it hypocritical to see passing trannies as more genuine than non-passing trannies if you're against SRS?
 
I'm going off the dome here on a few. Spoiled for brevity.

AI generated waifu said:
If someone says they're trans, they likely introspected a lot about it and discussed it with a therapist who knows what they're doing. They likely also tried living as a gender nonconforming man/woman first but found it unsatisfactory. Why would someone who isn't the trans-identifying person feel like they have better insight than the trans-identifying person or the professional therapist in what's best for them? Just saying "it's a cult/ideology" to someone who is very confident in their identity wouldn't be enough to make them reconsider, even if you're right.
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This is actully not typically the case. A lot of people get fast tracked to transition immediately (ex. a friend of mine was sent to a gender clinic for hormones after just one phone call). People do not try living as GNC men or women these days, they are groomed to believe they are trans from the start. The detransitioned/desisted community is growing quickly and has the most nuanced view on transition because they've both lived as trans and are able to examine the causes behind transition - this is where the professional therapist and trans identifying person fail. The professional therapist is financially and socially ncentivized to uphold a new "civil rights" movement of sorts, the trans identifying person is focused solely on progressing to the next stage of their transition. Neither are able to examine (or are unwilling to examine) the root of the issue, which is almost always trauma. After many hours spent arguing with respressors and doubting transitioners, I don't believe there is a good way to convince a trans person to make this examination, they have to come to the realization themselves. They will often feel something is wrong, but will be so desperate to maintain their coping mechanism that they will deny any evidence that may uncover the truth.

AI generated waifu said:
On having your significant other transition: People naturally go through changes like growing older, getting new personality traits or opinions, losing a job, losing or gaining weight and in general still discovering themselves. Why would a sex change be any more different than seeing a spouse/girlfriend/boyfriend change in any other way?
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Because the transitioning spouse is 1) regressing into a maladaptive coping mechanism instead of engaging in any meaningful growth or change, 2) forcing their spouse to accept fundamental changes that they did not forsee happening at the outset of marriage, and 3) coercing their spouse to indulge their fetish. Transition is regressive, as it is a full commitment to an expression of trauma. A better analogy to spousal transition would be anorexia. Ex. a wife becomes a severe anorexic and says that it's a change that she wants - what should the husband do in this scenario? Surely not encourage it.

Things like growing older, getting new personality traits, losing a job, losing or gaining weight are all things that can be expected during a marriage. Undergoing a sex change is a much more fundamental - a trans person would unfairly be asking their spouse to change their sexual orientation, their future plans for kids, the way they're intimate, what they're attracted to, what they should call their spouse (names, pronouns). Furthermore, many cases of spousal transition involve coercing the non transitioning spouse to indulge the fetish of the trans spouse, something a mere change like "discovering yourself" would not do, which is an inherent violation of trust and boundaries (ex. numerous stories of AGP husbands cheating on their wives with other trans women, forcing wife to see them dressed in fetishistic clothing etc).

AI generated waifu said:
On AGPs: Isn't it good that they challenge what men can and can't wear? Isn't it completely possible that they're only disliked because they're off-putting and hideous, instead of for any actual morality reason? Wouldn't this imply that men who are more conventionally attractive and androgynous are less immoral than the ugly men? Of course, you have boundary breaking behavior from AGPs: the rapists, the skinwalkers, the groomers... But if he is acting respectably and doesn't do anything bad, would there still be an issue?
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AGPs are different than boundary breaking GNC men because they get turned on by their "gender nonconforming presentation" (for an AGP, usually a feminine charicature from porn). A GNC man does not typically exude an air of creepiness (ex. compare hyperfem fetish crossdressers against androgynous presentation seen in the 70s glam rock scene, or in modern visual kei) because it is not a fetish for them, the GNC man thus challenges the status quo in a productive way. Because GNC presentation is a fetish for AGPs, the true issue is that they are exposing nonconsenting people to their fetish by wearing their shit (and getting off on it) in public. This is not unlike dawgs wearing fetish gear (leather, harnesses, idk what else people are wearing) in public, as they both get sexual gratification from other people seeing them dressed that way. Again, a violation of trust and boundaries, and disrespectful. If they did this shit in private with a consenting spouse, that would be fine, but it wouldn't be challenging any status quo.
 
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AI generated waifu said:
If someone says they're trans, they likely introspected a lot about it and discussed it with a therapist who knows what they're doing. They likely also tried living as a gender nonconforming man/woman first but found it unsatisfactory. Why would someone who isn't the trans-identifying person feel like they have better insight than the trans-identifying person or the professional therapist in what's best for them? Just saying "it's a cult/ideology" to someone who is very confident in their identity wouldn't be enough to make them reconsider, even if you're right.
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Therapists are rubber stampers at this point. They're not allowed to push back against troons. There's some herd-logic going on here too; trannies can easily shop around to find another therapist so after some critical point of therapist-approval there's no reason to deny a tranny and it's simply lost revenue since they'll take their business elsewhere.

From the other perspective, tranny thoughts comes from a lot of places: Growing up is hard. Being an adult sucks. Both sexes have a lot of expectations of them. "Maybe If I'm the other sex..." looks like a nice escape. This is especially important when being a straight white male has been demonized and being a tranny is an escape from being an "oppressor".
AI generated waifu said:
On AGPs: Isn't it good that they challenge what men can and can't wear? Isn't it completely possible that they're only disliked because they're off-putting and hideous, instead of for any actual morality reason? Wouldn't this imply that men who are more conventionally attractive and androgynous are less immoral than the ugly men? Of course, you have boundary breaking behavior from AGPs: the rapists, the skinwalkers, the groomers... But if he is acting respectably and doesn't do anything bad, would there still be an issue?
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AGP and making it public is a narcissism red flag. Maybe if they would just be a man in a skirt minding his own business it wouldn't be so bad, but all of the other narcissist personality traits flare up with it and make these people insufferable. Trying to pretend that AGP and narcissism are separate things is naive.
 
I'll take a shot.

AI generated waifu said:
If nonbinary identities are inherently reductive and sexist, why is it that the people advocating in favor of them are largely feminists, while those against it are often antifeminist? Furthermore, why are nonbinary identities only present in egalitarian countries if they're reductive and sexist?
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Because they're DUMB!
For the first part, because it pushes back against the traditional gender paradigm, and most feminists are progressives that uncritically support deconstructing the status quo.

For the second part, we can turn their own rhetoric against them by pointing to all the cases they like to hail as alternative views of gender, things like Two Spirit. These beliefs come from much more traditional societies, and these identities are often reductive and sexist as described.
"Oh, you're a woman but you want to hunt game? You must not really be a woman!" "Oh, you're a man but you are attracted to other men? You must not really be a man!"
As for why we see it cropping up nowadays, refer to part one of my answer. It's simply another front on the war for total liberation, something the West has been grappling with for quite some time now.

AI generated waifu said:
The common consensus on Kiwifarms is that SRS is butchery, it sells false promises and it blatantly lies to the misguided tranny about how far modern medicine has come. The same can be said about puberty blockers for children: they keep the child underdeveloped physically, mentally and keeps them a permanently dependent on predatory medicine. It's logical to have these butcheries made illegal. But at the same time, this makes it impossible for any tranny to ever pass because any way except for crossdressing is immoral or made illegal. Wouldn't this be unfair to those (even if it's 0,0001% of all people) who would genuinely be happier after going through those surgeries? If they're adults and give fully informed consent, knowing every single possible complication, wouldn't it be their right to do whatever they want with their bodies? Not only that, but isn't it hypocritical to see passing trannies as more genuine than non-passing trannies if you're against SRS?
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Part of the problem is that Sex Reassignment Surgery is much more than simple cosmetic surgery. It's very extreme body modification, more akin to mutilation than whatever idealized (likely fetishized) result the patient has in mind. It's sort of a Catch-22, even if the patient were fully knowledgeable and informed on the surgery and it's outcomes, the fact they are pursuing it in the first place implies they must be psychologically disturbed on some level. Like suicide, pursuing it is a sign of unwellness in and of itself. Unlike a succesful suicide, you have to live with the consequences afterwards. We don't give bodily autonomy to the suicidal. Even for the hypothetical minority who could be happier afterwards, I'd err on the side of protecting the majority who could hurt themselves.

As for the last question, I suppose it is hypocritical, but that's why I reject the identity outright. It doesn't really matter to me if they pass or not, the belief is still wrong. There may be well-intentioned trannies, but that doesn't make the identity any more real, accurate, or genuine.
 
Being GNC, especially when male, doesn't necessarily equate with overt cross dressing. It's usually just having a flair for the dramatic with clothing choices or accessories with lots more jewelry than usual. They're not wearing lace bralettes stuffed with toilet paper to work.

Most trannies and pooners didn't start being anything like "GNC" until after getting the trans bug. The fetish is their desire for how they present themselves not because it's a fashion they're into.

While I can certainly understand the pipeline of trying to groom young people who are a bit fey, bringing GNC is no different than bringing up people with DSDs. It's an excuse not to talk about what's actually going on.
 
So I just ran into this thread and was wondering, do yall think troonism is finally on its way out? I think the whole identity politics angle of the democrats is going to be/has been taken out back and shot. Probably because outside of issues like immigration, I think troons and their actions(going after kids,sports,bathrooms etc) did more to sink the democrat platform than anything else. Forcing people to accept troons doesn’t work, because 99.9% of people on a subconscious level find them completely fucking revolting, at least the MTF variant.
 
Angelos32 said:
So I just ran into this thread and was wondering, do yall think troonism is finally on its way out? I think the whole identity politics angle of the democrats is going to be/has been taken out back and shot. Probably because outside of issues like immigration, I think troons and their actions(going after kids,sports,bathrooms etc) did more to sink the democrat platform than anything else. Forcing people to accept troons doesn’t work, because 99.9% of people on a subconscious level find them completely fucking revolting, at least the MTF variant.
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If you check the transgender litigation thread you can find the SCOTUS cases that they have lost. Courts are deciding against them now in more places, even in some blue states!
 
Angelos32 said:
So I just ran into this thread and was wondering, do yall think troonism is finally on its way out? I think the whole identity politics angle of the democrats is going to be/has been taken out back and shot. Probably because outside of issues like immigration, I think troons and their actions(going after kids,sports,bathrooms etc) did more to sink the democrat platform than anything else. Forcing people to accept troons doesn’t work, because 99.9% of people on a subconscious level find them completely fucking revolting, at least the MTF variant.
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I could say a lot about this but don't feel like it tonight. Your question brought to mind a Helen Joyce clip I saw recently though.


Society will move on, yes. It's healing. But this troon shit has been devastating on so many levels and the real consequences have yet to come. Way too many people are going to be allowed to slink away and pretend they weren't the ones shoving this shit down our throats.
 
Angelos32 said:
So I just ran into this thread and was wondering, do yall think troonism is finally on its way out? I think the whole identity politics angle of the democrats is going to be/has been taken out back and shot. Probably because outside of issues like immigration, I think troons and their actions(going after kids,sports,bathrooms etc) did more to sink the democrat platform than anything else. Forcing people to accept troons doesn’t work, because 99.9% of people on a subconscious level find them completely fucking revolting, at least the MTF variant.
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I'm just gonna copy and paste what I said before. Personally, its hard to really say for certain because while it is true that laws are being passed and I hardly bump into troons despite being in a blue state, online culture really makes it hard to say if this will die down. Fandom cultures are pretty much breeding grounds full of kids and young people who claim to be some flavor of LGBTQ (trans especially) and its hard to really know if some random troon accounts that get tens of thousands of likes on pro trans tweets are all bots or not. I personally feel like the problem with troonism is online culture. I feel like if internet culture wasn't full of these types then I would say that it is on the way out.
 
Jacques1194 said:
-snip- I feel like if internet culture wasn't full of these types then I would say that it is on the way out.
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I fully believe its on the way out or at least the grift wing of troonism is, the generalized apathy and overall disgust is slowly eating the profit driven. Troonism will soon go the way of punk where only those who "truly believe" will remain.
 
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