💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Chris Konon]

I think this is because men, since time immemorial, have been dressing like women for sexual/fetish purposes. The inverse can't be said about women.

On the other hand there were cross dressing women like Joanne d'Arc or George Sand which I remember being revered in my education in a fairly conservative country (especially back in the days when I was at school), whereas the only cross dressing males I've seen were butt of jokes:

So I would assume that pooners would have a handicap in social acceptance compared to troons. Also they have much easier time passing when they have a beard and male pattern baldness compared to gigahons who NEVER pass.

 

[Aunt Carol]

So I would assume that pooners would have a handicap in social acceptance compared to troons. Also they have much easier time passing when they have a beard and male pattern baldness compared to gigahons who NEVER pass.

The more "awareness" there is about trans, the less any of them pass.

Some of the historically successful women-dressed-as-men had contemporary accounts that they were kind of weedy and high-voiced, but it was the 1700s, "weird dude but who isn't" was a much easier assumption than "secret woman."

You meet an effeminate bald and beareded gnome with a frog voice today, you think of pooner awareness videos.

There's already been mild backlash/complaining among pooners about the fanartists who draw mastectomy top surgery scars on everyone from Dipper Pines to Leon S. Kennedy. Now Aiden down the block is never going to convince people she had lung transplant surgery!

 

[General Zoider]

One of the most horrifying boards on the entire website. No wonder it earned the /tttt/ reputation The few times I looked there, I got out soon as possible.

wait whats the /tttt/ rep?

MTFs are more aggressive and violent like a pitbull, whereas FTMs are more annoying and whiney like a chihuahua? Huh....not at all expected for girl-brained and boy-brained individuals!

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oh its so much worse then that now both sides have shit like puppygirl and dogboy stuff while also claiming they aren't furries.

 

[R9K Insurgent]

Watching some good ol Malcom In The Middle, S2E17, had a good chuckle at this clip of Hal and Dewey, the shit fit this would create if it aired on a popular TV show today. Man, take me back to the 2000s.

 

[Soso]

wait whats the /tttt/ rep?

Basically it got taken over by troons, and lots of the original posters I think either got chased out, or they snipped their dicks off. 90% of the topics are troon related. They kind of made that bed themselves though.

Watching some good ol Malcom In The Middle, S2E17, had a good chuckle at this clip of Hal and Dewey, the shit fit this would create if it aired on a popular TV show today. Man, take me back to the 2000s.

No worries! They already go back to old episodes, throw tantrums about how evil shows are, and campaign to get the episodes taken off what little websites they are on.

 

[General Zoider]

Basically it got taken over by troons, and lots of the original posters I think either got chased out, or they snipped their dicks off. 90% of the topics are troon related. They kind of made that bed themselves though.

ah, I bet the discord you see in the ad is even worse, it probably so full of glowies and groomers that it glows harder than the elephant's foot in Chernobyl.

 

[FinnSven]

On the other hand there were cross dressing women like Joanne d'Arc.

Not sure who George Sand was, but Jean d’Arc was more of a puppet and le’french all appeared to know she was a peasant girl at the time.

She was only “cross dressing” because women usually didn’t wear armor, as it was reserved for men of the fighting classes.

It’s why it is also annoying when Troons and poons try to hijack her as a historic example of trans acceptance.

 

[Less Than Zero]

My gf says she "knows she can't transition because she was fundamentally raised and socialized as female" and that "it would feel like pretending to be someone else", plus there's physical things like height
I plan on asking some trans spaces what they make of this, but what do you guys think? Is she right in thinking this? I don't know much about what justifies FtMness really so I'm unbiased

 

[The Poopsmith]

My gf says she "knows she can't transition because she was fundamentally raised and socialized as female" and that "it would feel like pretending to be someone else", plus there's physical things like height
I plan on asking some trans spaces what they make of this, but what do you guys think? Is she right in thinking this? I don't know much about what justifies FtMness really so I'm unbiased

Don't ask trans spaces anything. There's a 98% chance that you'll be taking to someone with severe trauma issues being treated with quackery. They're not in a position to give sound advice. Start with FtM detransitioners, usually there are common threads and it's better to learn from someone who's walked the walk and learned from their mistakes.

 

[and I must scream]

My gf says she "knows she can't transition because she was fundamentally raised and socialized as female" and that "it would feel like pretending to be someone else", plus there's physical things like height
I plan on asking some trans spaces what they make of this, but what do you guys think? Is she right in thinking this? I don't know much about what justifies FtMness really so I'm unbiased

Your girlfriend is right and also, no matter what, a female is not and will never be a man. Never. So she can't be a man anyway. Don't encourage her to go that route. Nothing will come out of it but her ruining her health and body. It will not make her happy in the long run.

Don't go and ask about it in trans spaces, that's the worst thing you can do. Most probably they would encourage your girlfriend to transition, because "it's never too late to transition" and "she is and always has been a man, doesn't matter what she was socialized as". She doesn't need it. She doesn't need to transition. The only way to be a man is to be male. "Gender identity" separated from one's sex is not a real thing. There is no such thing.

Edit to add: talking with detransioners is a good idea too. They know firsthand how damaging this idea of gender identity is.

 

[Billy Hargrove]

The proof is in the pudding. Do most pooners (or male troons) seem happy and well adjusted? Or are they constantly posting about their anxiety attacks, fear of going out, NEET life, health complications from their surgeries and hormones, ruminations over not passing, etc. Even the ones I knew IRL who were more well adjusted and not on Discord 24/7 still had a ton of anxiety over mundane things like using the bathroom or going shopping in the men's section.

 

[Wallace]

The proof is in the pudding. Do most pooners (or male troons) seem happy and well adjusted? Or are they constantly posting about their anxiety attacks, fear of going out, NEET life, health complications for their surgeries and hormones, ruminations over not passing, etc. Even the ones I knew IRL who were more well adjusted and not on Discord 24/7 still had a ton of anxiety over mundane things like using the bathroom or going shopping in the men's section.

True that. Ever notice how you never see any troons that have reached the summit? One who has completed their medical, surgical, and social therapy and now lives comfortably as their true gender, free from anxiety, depression, suicidality and dysphoria? That's not a coincidence.

Nobody with anorexia ever looks at themselves and says, "Okay, I'm thin enough now, I can stop restricting." The dysphoria is a symptom of a much more serious problem with their psyche. It is like climbing a mountain with no summit that gets progressively steeper the further up you go. It will never be "good enough", because you are trying to appease an anxiety that can never be appeased, only temporarily placated.

Troons can never be satisfied. They can never reach the summit, because troonery is an addiction: a maladaptive comping mechanism that requires an endless supply of hits--from other people. They will never have enough, they will always feel dissatisfied, and that will always be everyone else's fault.

 

[FinnSven]

Is there some kind of easy debunking resource like with studies etc to refute the usual claims (eg "trans identified children will likely commit suicide if not given puberty blockers", "only 0.1% of trans people regret surgery/transition", etc) ykwim. We all know these things are BS but something to help normies get there, etc.

Though generally I find it all very bizarre I have to argue that people can't have magic wrong sex brains that are fixed by mutilating their genitals.

Specifically and reliably, unfortunately no.

Trans people also will cite the same or similar sounding “studies” which they claim back them up.

Normies get confused and then remember that being cancelled is a risk when disagreeing with Troons about troonery so they tend to either excuse themselves from the conversation or just side with the troon.

Whichever is easiest at that moment.

At least some of the old “evidence” they used to quote such as, “never heard of a trans person attacking a woman in a public toilet, but I have heard of trans people being killed in small towns”, is being heard less and less.

Obviously the high profile cases where Troons raped little girls and the lack of red necks lynching men in dresses are peaking normies.
For now, it’s just try and wait it out.
Ironically enough this is a case of give them enough rope to gang themselves with.

 

[bouquetnine]

Is there some kind of easy debunking resource like with studies etc to refute the usual claims (eg "trans identified children will likely commit suicide if not given puberty blockers", "only 0.1% of trans people regret surgery/transition", etc) ykwim. We all know these things are BS but something to help normies get there, etc.

Though generally I find it all very bizarre I have to argue that people can't have magic wrong sex brains that are fixed by mutilating their genitals.

That's literally the Cass Review. It was so damning that UK ended up closing all of their gender youth clinics.

 

[The Poopsmith]

(eg "trans identified children will likely commit suicide if not given puberty blockers", "only 0.1% of trans people regret surgery/transition", etc)

They're mixing correlation and causation. "Trans-idenditfied" children may be at risk for self harm, but the more likely cause is one of the many co-morbid, untreated mental disorders that end up being the root cause (I think the Cass review was mentioned above, look into it). And for arguments sake, let's say only 0.1% of transsexuals regretted their surgery. I bet only 0.1% with body integrity dysphoria would regret if you chopped off their leg, but we don't treat that with surgery do we?

 

[General Zoider]

One thing I want to bring up from my own observations is that this current generation (atleast those who entered the furry pipeline) were impacted by transformation porn which lead to such a high amount of trans people in the furry community. So many were basicly porn brained to connect female identity with positive, in a kind of fucked up pavlov training.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I was recently confronted with the all-too-familiar, annoying "Well, ~I~ have no problem with people doing whatever they want with their own lives (implying that it makes me such a good person)".

Bullshit. Don't you tell me that one of your friends turning into a deranged sociopath sex pest and blowing a hole in his own crotch has no effect on you. I'd bet money you distance yourself from said freak immediately. Of COURSE you have a problem with a "personal journey that's nobody's business" when a core aspect of that "journey" is making it other peoples' business, not to mention dramatically changing their behavior toward you.

The difference between me and you, dear high horse, is that I've paid attention to the pattern and noticed these changes are not only damaging to friendships, but are pathological with such overwhelming frequency that it's impossible to ignore.

 

[bouquetnine]

I was recently confronted with the all-too-familiar, annoying "Well, ~I~ have no problem with people doing whatever they want with their own lives (implying that it makes me such a good person)".

Bullshit. Don't you tell me that one of your friends turning into a deranged sociopath sex pest and blowing a hole in his own crotch has no effect on you. I'd bet money you distance yourself from said freak immediately. Of COURSE you have a problem with a "personal journey that's nobody's business" when a core aspect of that "journey" is making it other peoples' business, not to mention dramatically changing their behavior toward you.

The difference between me and you, dear high horse, is that I've paid attention to the pattern and noticed these changes are not only damaging to friendships, but are pathological with such overwhelming frequency that it's impossible to ignore.

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[General Zoider]

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I love it when they use this thinking they won the argument and in the same breath they begin screaming at you for not using the right pronouns and saying you are killing them.