r/fuckcars / Not Just Bikes / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Midwit]

A lot of them are third-worlders who have never been to a suburb or driven a car:

Also if you combine the car companies they have more employees than Indian Railways, Dumjeet didn't think his smugpost through.

There is only one way to get around in Hawaii:

 

[Yamamura]

Also if you combine the car companies they have more employees than Indian Railways, Dumjeet didn't think his smugpost through.

Not only that but also counting the tertiary businesses spun off from cars beyond OEM support. Like mechanic shops, tire/oil change places, etc.

The urbanist might try to argue at most food vendors near the station or the suppliers of parts and fuel for the train but that's about it as far as I can think of.

But even if their argument that they employ more people was valid, it might raise another argument regarding poor efficiency that it requires more people to run a collective vehicle everyone has to share than a bunch of people having their own individual vehicles. After all don't they always harp on about muh efficiency?

 

[Mikoyan]

Also if you combine the car companies they have more employees than Indian Railways, Dumjeet didn't think his smugpost through.

And of course any government-related enterprise in India is going to be a HUGE RAMPAGING jobs program the likes of which would stagger our Western minds. You think government jobs over here are set up to give money to unemployables, you have seen nothing. nothing. State-owned railways are oft models of inefficiency for similar reasons. Even the Japs, when they privatized JNR in the 80s, it was in something like half a trillion dollars of debt in today's terms.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

In looking around my city, I started noticing that especially in the little rural pockets that developed independently of suburbs, there's usually some sort of convenience store closer to the main road (even if it's not a major road) that sells gas. In all of these cases the area was extremely low-density and supermarkets weren't too far away by car. But these aren't just limited to small, older neighborhoods that were "grandfathered in" to the city.

Urbanists always complain how small stores like these are essential to a neighborhood, but they're literally everywhere. I'm sure you've seen this meme picture that makes Redditors, third-worlders, and third-world Redditors seethe:



But if you look at where it actually is, the empty space has been developed as a small restaurant with a bar, with the gas station and convenience store being nearby. Even the farthest-away home can walk for 20 minutes, biking even less.

Just five miles north in this "suburban hell" sits some apartments nestled among low-density apartments, and what's this? A 24 hour bar/restaurant where you could order breakfast at 3 am in the morning?

OK, so maybe a place where you could order french toast and bottomless screwdrivers at 2:30 am is a Las Vegas thing. Fair enough...but convenience stores, neighborhood restaurants/bars, and suburban apartment complexes are extremely common everywhere and I've never seen one of the "city planning" books or vloggers address it.

If you want one example of how they're full of shit and know nothing of which they speak that's one for you.

 

[quaawaa]

"Why are all the affordable stores in the suburbs and not in my walkable city?":


He literally gets told to move to the suburbs (Spreitenbach is a suburb of Zurich) so he can walk to big box stores:

They would never tell an American to do that.

By the way, Spreitenbach is half railyard:

So much for "highways divide cities".

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Crime makes it impossible to cycle:

"At least I'm not driving a car":


Advocating for vandalism:


"'MAGAs' steal bikes because they hate cyclists":


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"Why do immigrants from car-free countries want to drive?":


Pseudo-intellectual babble:


"They want to get laid":


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[Mikoyan]

"'MAGAs' steal bikes because they hate cyclists":

I mean everyone knows this but this does not happen. Theft-Americans gank them and pass them off on Craigslist usually for pennies on the dollar.

That guy really had all the avenues covered though, both wheels locked on and pulled the seatpost. Probably knowledge gained by hard, Nog-given experience.

 

[Jhonson the Two]

CIA contacts and oil money sponsorships.


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I would expect Urbanists would shill for China, when they build things like this:

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Finally, an entire city where you never have to go outside…

Made me think of the incredible and cursed Simcity 3000 Santi series: Population to the max, no road, (only subways), poor health, high crime rate, poor education, suffocating pollution (but no water pollution) while remaining financially self-sufficient.

Spoiler: Shitpost version

I love it when players push games to their limits, it always ends in frighteningly funny results

 

[Kyria the Great]

And of course any government-related enterprise in India is going to be a HUGE RAMPAGING jobs program the likes of which would stagger our Western minds. You think government jobs over here are set up to give money to unemployables, you have seen nothing. nothing. State-owned railways are oft models of inefficiency for similar reasons. Even the Japs, when they privatized JNR in the 80s, it was in something like half a trillion dollars of debt in today's terms.

Id argue that a huge reason that India is poor due to their quasi socialist government and didn't have too many Indian businesses to properly grow and experience the hardship of external factors to make them strong enough to survive the international market.

 

[Yamamura]

Pseudo-intellectual babble:

This is how I know their user base is made up of children. I've known people who write like this in high school (unfortunately I was one of them at some point). My English teacher gave me some advice. Intelligent writing is concise writing.

How much of that word salad could have been avoid by literally just writing the last sentences.

 

[Gurney Halleck]

I mean everyone knows this but this does not happen. Theft-Americans gank them and pass them off on Craigslist usually for pennies on the dollar.

That guy really had all the avenues covered though, both wheels locked on and pulled the seatpost. Probably knowledge gained by hard, Nog-given experience.

Yeah, this is some insane cope but it's part and parcel of the mental gymnastics required to be a progressive urbanoid Californian. Basketball Americans and junkies, the most oppressed people alive try to steal your bike everyday? That can't be true, it must be those dang dirty carbrained MAGAts with their lifted diesel trucks doing it specifically to spite you!

 

[Nod Flenders]

"Why are all the affordable stores in the suburbs and not in my walkable city?":

Because this redditor is a moron, that's why.

 

[CFC-12]

They also tend to seethe about transit that focuses on suburban transit that takes pressure off of highways, even though it's one of the things that they claim to want. It's one of the reasons why Washington DC's METRO was nice even in the 2000s, despite much of the city being a shithole, because it was a commuter rail from the suburbs for tourists and federal workers and not "Moving Africans Rapidly Throughout the Area" or whatever.

Pre-COVID the DART Red Line was a great example of mass transit because it allowed suburbanites to visit popular visit downtown and near-downtown destinations like the zoo or the State Fair grounds, despite the presence of US-75 which parallels it. But they'll bitterly point to the vast park-and-ride lots of these sorts of stations and demand why they aren't building bughives and paid parking instead.

Commuter rail makes perfect sense: You have your car for tooling around in low or medium density suburbs, running errands, going out for dinner, visiting friends, buying groceries, and all the other random minutiae of day-to-day suburban life. But, if you work downtown, you can just leave your car at the commuter lot, take the train into the city, and then take subways/buses or walk for the last leg of your commute. You don't have to contend with downtown traffic, you save money on gas and parking, and you don't have to worry about the contents of your vehicle being contributed as reparations if you leave it parked in the city all day.

Urbanists want fewer cars in the cities and they like public transit. A lot of people don't want to drive into the downtown of a major city because it's generally a giant pain in the dick. Urban planners come along with a form of transport that was built for the deliberate and sole purpose of getting people out of their cars and into the train to go into the city. It means fewer cars driving into the city, less congestion on highways for those who still drive, and convenience/monetary savings for those who have cars but don't want to drive downtown. It's a win-win all around.

And yet. And YET, this is somehow still a fucking problem to them. Sorry, you hate commuter rail because it means there's a 200-acre parking lot in some suburban town you're probably never going to go to, 30 miles away from your urban bughive? You hate commuter rail because someone, God forbid, drove to the fucking train station instead of taking a bus? I'm getting a little MATI here but the hypocrisy and the complete dissatisfaction with something they themselves claim to want is just so goddamn illogical.

 

[TowinKarz]

I mean everyone knows this but this does not happen. Theft-Americans gank them and pass them off on Craigslist usually for pennies on the dollar.

That guy really had all the avenues covered though, both wheels locked on and pulled the seatpost. Probably knowledge gained by hard, Nog-given experience.

Still not sure how all of that is "still less hassle than a car" that only requires you have the key fob in your pocket at minimum.....

 

[Kyria the Great]

I honestly wonder if Urbanists would actually want a version of Magnasanti rather than view such a city with equal parts marvel and revolusion. I love how it always comes back to either KWC or Magnasanti.

 

[Gurney Halleck]

And yet. And YET, this is somehow still a fucking problem to them. Sorry, you hate commuter rail because it means there's a 200-acre parking lot in some suburban town you're probably never going to go to, 30 miles away from your urban bughive? You hate commuter rail because someone, God forbid, drove to the fucking train station instead of taking a bus? I'm getting a little MATI here but the hypocrisy and the complete dissatisfaction with something they themselves claim to want is just so goddamn illogical.

They don't want surburbanites to have a more convenient time visiting the city, they want them to be forced to give up their cars altogether and be forced to live in the bughive with them.

 

[Yamamura]

Still not sure how all of that is "still less hassle than a car" that only requires you have the key fob in your pocket at minimum.....

When the shackle of the lock is thicker than the frame of the bike you'd think eventually the thief will just use the angle grinder on the bike and then weld the bike back together later.

Also carrying around a seat post that you've been sitting on for hours is awkward.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Still not sure how all of that is "still less hassle than a car" that only requires you have the key fob in your pocket at minimum.....

It's less hassle if thieves were actually locked up, but stopping crime is racist, or that's what urbanists say.

I honestly wonder if Urbanists would actually want a version of Magnasanti rather than view such a city with equal parts marvel and revolusion. I love how it always comes back to either KWC or Magnasanti.

I've never seen them disavow those cities. They never say KWC is too much and draw the line there. Until proven otherwise I assume they want us to all live in Magnasanti, and I treat them accordingly.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

And yet. And YET, this is somehow still a fucking problem to them. Sorry, you hate commuter rail because it means there's a 200-acre parking lot in some suburban town you're probably never going to go to, 30 miles away from your urban bughive? You hate commuter rail because someone, God forbid, drove to the fucking train station instead of taking a bus? I'm getting a little MATI here but the hypocrisy and the complete dissatisfaction with something they themselves claim to want is just so goddamn illogical.

You're forgetting the fact that they don't want you to living in the suburbs. They see people who live in the suburbs as "parasites" and have written whole books on how they should be "fixed" (we've discussed the Sprawl Repair Manual book—Jason wanted to do a video on it but couldn't because he just wanted to use the pictures and talk about the book's premise, too lazy to hire someone else to do similar illustrations and too retarded to come up with original commentary/criticism for fair use.

 

[quaawaa]

They don't want surburbanites to have a more convenient time visiting the city, they want them to be forced to give up their cars altogether and be forced to live in the bughive with them.

This is also why they hate local businesses who fight their attempts at removing parking. Business owners know that they need customers from outside walking distance in order to survive and want parking, but urbanists don't care.

 

[TowinKarz]

This is also why they hate local businesses who fight their attempts at removing parking. Business owners know that they need customers from outside walking distance in order to survive and want parking, but urbanists don't care.

Which is why they are so often true believers (tm) in communism on top of their urbanism, they eventually have to agree that their plans will make it impossible for small business to be viable in your typical urban storefront.... so the "solution" to that is to just make it so they don't have to, the government will pay for everyone to run a non-profit coffeehouse/art gallery, and you don't even NEED customers anymore, it's so simple, so easy!