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A.P. Hill said:
NIMBY boomers themselves are not going to be posting on Reddit, but I guarantee you there's a not insignificant number of people on the sub that are the failchildren of these types. We've seen on this forum how many rich kids there are who do nothing but bum around, make fools of themselves and be general fuckups all on Daddy's dime.

In my area, every single "suburb" has a densely clustered small main street with shops, restaurants, and apartments, and even away from those, there's a ton of mixed-use shopping centers. Granted, this is a case of a bunch of small towns that spread out into each other, but the point still stands. These Redditors could actually go on a 15-minute ride on their beloved bikes to find everything that they want, but they'd rather piss and moan online. The equivalent of starving to death in the middle of McDonald's.
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While there are obviously left-leaning households that these guys come out of, I just don't think that to be the case.

There was some sort of Reddit post (maybe it was even /n/) where the guy was raised by hippies/cultists to the point where avenues were "rivers of death" or some nonsense like that.

But such types would be wealthy/well-connected enough to at least enjoy some of the bugman life, or know a thing or two about activism, or at least can get their parents to agree on some of their online activities.

quaawaa said:
A lot of them are third-worlders who have never been to a suburb or driven a car:
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I don't even think this guy understands the question. No one says car manufacturing and R&D generates lots of employment (and besides, I'm sure those 160k jobs at GM are better-paying than whatever pennies on the dollar your average Indian Railways worker is making...Google says a ticket collector's salary can range from approximately ₹21,000 to ₹81,700 per month, which is about $230-$920 a month), it's the whole ecosystem cars and transportation provide to the economy.

When businesses are built or opened at least in America they consider what the demographics are (if they can afford such a thing) and the traffic count (higher = better). Foot traffic is also used in these sorts of comparisons where applicable.

So obviously the third-worlder doesn't understand but it should be obvious that almost every major commercial establishment is off a main road or behind one, not located blocks away, way out of the way. (It happens, obviously—one of my town's longest-running restaurants is this weird, out of the way street surrounded by apartment buildings).

It happens in the "big city", too. There are long, quiet blocks that are exclusively residential where commercial struggles to exist or doesn't, and you maybe have one convenience store and a few service buildings between four large blocks.

Lobster Cult High Priest said:
Of course the Trump's Presidential Library will be in the new hive city of rich Kikes.

Also it will be hilarious seeing the Trump Library become a hub for the homeless schizos of Miami
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I don't know, why is the George Bush Presidential Library in College Station? Bush never grew up in Texas (he moved to the state at some point and became governor), but never lived in College Station or went to TAMU, he couldn't even get a majority of the county's vote in 1992 (thanks to Ross Perot), yet that's where his Presidential Library is, and he didn't even live in the area after it was built (I believe he lived in Houston). Sure, the funeral train was a neat gimmick and it was his wishes that he be buried on the grounds with Barbara and the re-interred remains of his daughter Robin (died 1953 and buried in Connecticut, but moved in 2000)...but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense why it had to be College Station.
 
Xarpho's Return said:
It happens in the "big city", too. There are long, quiet blocks that are exclusively residential where commercial struggles to exist or doesn't, and you maybe have one convenience store and a few service buildings between four large blocks.
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I've seen something like this happen in a city near me. There was a side street they closed off to the public about a decade ago, well before this current urbanist discourse solidified. They paved it over with a sidewalk, planted some scraggly trees, and added some benches in an attempt to create some sort of "urban square" or something by pedestrianizing it.

The thing is, nobody ever uses it. There were no businesses on that side street, and there still aren't today. Nothing happens there. Every once in a while the city will host some sort of thing in that spot, but 95% of the time, it's just a big flat area of sidewalk. Like, at least a parking lot serves some sort of utility. Now it's just a purposeless concrete void with a couple shitty trees. Just because you "pedestrianized" a street doesn't mean the street suddenly doesn't suck.

Maybe they're still waiting for the "induced demand" to kick in, who knows.
 
CFC-12 said:
I've seen something like this happen in a city near me. There was a side street they closed off to the public about a decade ago, well before this current urbanist discourse solidified. They paved it over with a sidewalk, planted some scraggly trees, and added some benches in an attempt to create some sort of "urban square" or something by pedestrianizing it.

The thing is, nobody ever uses it. There were no businesses on that side street, and there still aren't today. Nothing happens there. Every once in a while the city will host some sort of thing in that spot, but 95% of the time, it's just a big flat area of sidewalk. Like, at least a parking lot serves some sort of utility. Now it's just a purposeless concrete void with a couple shitty trees. Just because you "pedestrianized" a street doesn't mean the street suddenly doesn't suck.

Maybe they're still waiting for the "induced demand" to kick in, who knows.
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They did that all the time though. In the 1970s, there was a big push to make downtown pedestrian malls in many U.S. cities, where they did what urbanists want--closed off downtown streets with new sidewalks, trees, and seating. This was supposed to help renew these areas and make them more competitive with suburban shopping malls.

As it turns out, just by closing off streets did not change anything, it just made the existing businesses leave quicker, meaning that there was no reason to visit the malls anyway. The greatest irony is that city planners of the past get so much shit from Reddit urbanists even though many of them thought the same back then. In the 1967 short film, The Pedestrian Strikes Back it practically mirrors modern day Reddit complaints.

The first minute has people pushing the walk button to no avail, then at one minute in "Most of us would like to think cities are for people...", "reclaiming downtown areas", and other talking points. But the pedestrian malls they held up as this shining beacon didn't work. The "example" of the Burbank Golden Mall flopped and by the late 1980s it was what California was later known for, vagrants, unkempt and vacant stores, and I believe every other downtown pedestrian mall has since converted back to a regular downtown (except for Santa Monica, which did well for years, though has struggled post-COVID).
 
Xarpho's Return said:
I don't know, why is the George Bush Presidential Library in College Station? Bush never grew up in Texas (he moved to the state at some point and became governor), but never lived in College Station or went to TAMU, he couldn't even get a majority of the county's vote in 1992 (thanks to Ross Perot), yet that's where his Presidential Library is, and he didn't even live in the area after it was built (I believe he lived in Houston).
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It was part of their family's gimmick. Dubya especially liked to paint himself as a folksy, down-home Texan to get the Bible Belt evangelical vote, despite being a Yale-educated member of a Connecticut-based swamp creature political dynasty and only moving to Texas as an adult. At least he had some kind of connection to Dallas, where his library is. That's more than Daddy could say.
 
Xarpho's Return said:
I don't know, why is the George Bush Presidential Library in College Station?
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CIA contacts and oil money sponsorships.


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I would expect Urbanists would shill for China, when they build things like this:

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Finally, an entire city where you never have to go outside…
 
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Markass the Worst said:
There are no statistics on the number of incidents that don't rise to a murder but are still uncomfortable and make people feel unsafe. Undoubtedly, there are a lot of them, they just don't get reported. There's no way to tell when a particular schizo sperging out is going to kill you either.
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Public transit is entirely vibes-based for the voluntary rider. The goal of public transit is to prevent riders from buying their first car, because beyond that their usage decreases significantly. After all, a car is a substantial investment and you want to make the best use of it.

quaawaa said:
DeSantis cucked urbanists by gifting a prime downtown Miami lot with no parking minimums to Trump for his Presidential Library:
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Honestly it’s a nice site but the Presidential Library ought to be at Mar-a-Largo, unless Trump donates it to the Federal government as the winter White House (but then spiteful Dems would probably try to tear it down).

The Miami site should become the headquarters of the anti-communist inquisition instead IMO- perfectly situated beside the Freedom Tower as a stake through the heart of South Floridian pozz.
 
jje100010001 said:
Public transit is entirely vibes-based for the voluntary rider. The goal of public transit is to prevent riders from buying their first car, because beyond that their usage decreases significantly. After all, a car is a substantial investment and you want to make the best use of it.
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This is where the "leftist brain rot" comes in for this community. They worship European transit (which, even if it's on a rapid decline in some cities or outright sucks, is still overall a decent experience and better than your average American transit experience). Yet they never talk about making the existing network a safer, cleaner experience, it's either "not enough transit" or complaining that the freeways put them out of business.

They also tend to seethe about transit that focuses on suburban transit that takes pressure off of highways, even though it's one of the things that they claim to want. It's one of the reasons why Washington DC's METRO was nice even in the 2000s, despite much of the city being a shithole, because it was a commuter rail from the suburbs for tourists and federal workers and not "Moving Africans Rapidly Throughout the Area" or whatever.

Pre-COVID the DART Red Line was a great example of mass transit because it allowed suburbanites to visit popular visit downtown and near-downtown destinations like the zoo or the State Fair grounds, despite the presence of US-75 which parallels it. But they'll bitterly point to the vast park-and-ride lots of these sorts of stations and demand why they aren't building bughives and paid parking instead.

It's a shame because things like DART and METRO help(ed) the image of public transit tremendously that will pay dividends down the line. I contend that whatever advantages New York Subway has a functional system has done drastic damage to the perception of public transit in the United States.
 
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It's a shame because things like DART and METRO help(ed) the image of public transit tremendously that will pay dividends down the line.
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DART is really helping the image of public transit:
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That happened yesterday.

Also the WMATA has a bad reputation for its trains catching on fire, being a welfare program for otherwise unemployable black people, and for transporting criminals from Eastern DC/Maryland throughout the DMV area. Tysons Corner Center (massive mall in Virginia with direct metro access) had to place private security at its metro station to stop shoplifters who try to flee on the train.
 
quaawaa said:
DART is really helping the image of public transit:
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Well, yeah, pre-COVID was the qualifier on DART, and even then that was probably one of the Green or Blue Line, one of those lines that only cannibalized bus lines in the ghetto. (15 years ago for WMATA...and I'm sure "it was nice in the 1990s" describes a lot of things).
 
I believe every urbanist deserves to have a Regent International of their own to call home. We can build a dozen of these in LA and we can let them live for free there.

Sure, they wouldn't be allowed to leave, and there is no method of outside communication, but who needs that when there are multitudes of third spaces and a high energy and vibrant community right outside your door!
 
Thiletonomics said:
This comic is a simple, yet effective example of showing how bad of a flop Skyline is in Hawaii: / Archive

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And I want to see how the r/FuckCars community would seethe or try to debunk this.
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There was a whole thing to the Skyline train, too. I KNOW I saw this and maybe it's been deleted from the Internet but part of it went to making a program for the public about the Skyline train, and the result was some amateurish effort that was something like "click on the hawk to learn about the train system", stuff that would be embarrassing for mid-1990s promotional children's software.
 
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