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Should be a wild four years.

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A Cardboard Box said:
Not remotely what this is about. The sticking point is primarily ACA tax credits which are used to keep health insurance premiums down for people that don't have insurance through their employer. The tax credits are set to expire at the end of the year, which will dramatically inflate the premiums many Americans pay for insurance. It should be noted that the tax credits are extremely popular, even among Republicans. It has nothing to do with illegals or anything else whatsoever.
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It's not "tax credits." It's subsides. The Affordable Healthcare Act did not make healthcare "affordable", it just pushed the burden of paying for healthcare onto the taxpayer. This is just one of the many failures of Democratic healthcare policy. Instead of winning elections to change that, they rather shut down the government.
 
RedRage said:
I am a bit worried on relaxing the frequency of cybersecurity training. Some people are real fucking dumb and need to be reminded over and over.
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All you have to do is hold people accountable for any damage done by their stupidity, and they will follow best practices.
 
A Cardboard Box said:
Statistically speaking proximity to blacks breeds anti black racism. Most of the politicians which advocate for blacks don't actually spend any time around them. If they did, they would not be so inclined.
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People were making "you don't live around them" arguments over 140 years ago as well, as per Alexander Wilmot's work History of the Zulu War, published in 1880 - excerpts pulled from Project Gutenberg:
It is so well known as to be beyond question that the Zulus are extremely well-treated—too well-treated frequently—by the colonists; and to those conversant with the subject, the missionary's statement at once is seen in its true light, as a mere attempt to obtain a little popularity by joining the usual successful outcry against the oppression of coloured races by the "cruel white men," so constantly echoed by people who have never lived among blacks, and are perfectly ignorant of the facts of the case. Philanthropy obtained at this price, and by means of calumnies against our fellow-countrymen at a distance and in a most trying position of danger, cannot be estimated at a high price. Mr. Forbes was so very short a time in Natal as to be perfectly incompetent to judge of the entire character of the people. His sweeping condemnations must be attributed to bad temper, occasioned by petty inconveniences or rudeness; but it is a pity that a man of his eminence and ability should permit such considerations to affect his judgment or guide his pen.
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Lord Glenelg emphatically stated that the Kafirs had perfect justification for the war of 1835, and this affirmation was the foundation of his entire policy. He identified himself with the pseudo-philanthropists who looked upon the white inhabitants of the Eastern districts as usurpers and persecutors. The ideas of 1836 remain substantially the ideas of 1879, the only difference being that the venue is changed and that the tide of savagery has been pushed further eastward. The settlers of 1820 were placed by the British Government on the frontier of the Cape Colony, and on their part and that of their descendants there was certainly no usurpation, while it positively seems to be the result of monomania to speak of their having persecuted the Kafirs. The incontestable facts of history prove exactly the opposite: it was the Kafirs that harassed and persecuted them. A comparatively small, struggling, and sparsely settled community was persistently tormented and impoverished by most cruel thefts and constant aggressions, which at last culminated in wars of defence most disastrous to the farmers and the principal portion of the settlers. The stock, dwellings, etc., of the poor border population destroyed in the war of 1835 alone were valued at upwards of £280,000! This was a cruel, terrible infliction on those poor settlers, but it was not considered enough by the Exeter Hall party. Christianity was blasphemed by a policy of the grossest injustice adopted in its name. Those who were bound by every tie of justice—putting aside charity—to defend their own countrymen turned against them most virulently, and did everything in their power to cause the re-enactment of the bloody scenes in which British settlers in this distant land had suffered so much.
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babyDunk said:
Good to know.If its such a nothing burger, why is Drumf seething about it
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Both sides like to tout their own studies and whatever, but statistically, the party in power receives the bulk of the blame for a shutdown. For instance, Ted Cruz was instrumental in rallying Republicans for the 2013 shutdown during Obama's time in office, but Obama and Democrats received the majority of the blame, which led to them getting absolutely hosed in the 2014 election cycle, with the Republicans expanding their lead in the house and flipping the Senate with a whopping plus nine result that year. With the Republicans already facing polling issues in tough battleground districts and dealing with a very slim majority in the House (but very likely a safe majority in the Senate), there is a very real threat that this could seriously hurt the prospects of the GOP maintaining control of the House.

In my opinion, the ACA credits, while a serious issue that should be resolved (Johnson and Thune are opposed, but Trump himself is a fan of the tax credits, as he should be, it is not a handout, it doesn't apply to Medicaid, working class Americans benefit the most), would likely be resolved quietly with a bipartisan deal after the shutdown is averted, but the Democrats, under pressure form their base to "do something!" and wanting to stack the deck in their favor for the midterms, are using this issue as a pretext to shut the government down, relying on the statistical likelihood that Trump with shoulder the burnt of the blame. That being said, it is very rare to squash a "Clean" CR, so I am not sure in this instance how it will pan out. Polls have been very split on the matter and have fluctuated wildly over the last couple of weeks.
Frederica Bernkastel said:
It's not "tax credits." It's subsides. The Affordable Healthcare Act did not make healthcare "affordable", it just pushed the burden of paying for healthcare onto the taxpayer. This is just one of the many failures of Democratic healthcare policy. Instead of winning elections to change that, they rather shut down the government.
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I mean, tax credits are subsidies, but I digress. I don't disagree with your assessment of the ACA, but the fact of the matter is that if the subsidies aren't extended, the pain, as you've stated, will be felt by working Americans. In my opinion the subsidies are a must, especially in the middle of a cost of living crisis, until we figure out a permanent solution to "how do we unfuck healthcare costs?"
 
Professor Donger said:
The fuck is with the left and this Rest in power faggotry?
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The Left cannot know peace, because peace is calm, and calm is not the proper environment for agitating for revolution. In other words, LARPing and Slay Kween lib shittery. Though in this case it was an actual communist terrorist, so not a LARP.
 
None of this insane shit would’ve happened if KingCobraJFS didn’t die.

The rele harbinger of the Dimensional Merge, dood.
 
The Ugly One said:
A battle ship costs around as much as an aircraft carrier to operate. The only reason for them to be so big is to have a platform to fire multiple 400mm guns from, which have no real purpose except to bombard other heavily armored ships (made obsolete by carriers) or to bombard land (made obsolete by cruise missiles and, again, carriers). A 20-mile range is a lot for a gun, but not a lot in absolute terms, as modern cruise missiles have a 1000-mile range. If all you want to do is take out pirate boats, you don't need 400mm guns. You need 80mm guns. German U-boats used to tear merchant boats to shreds with their 8.8cm KwK cannon.

The reason we don't sink pirate boats isn't lack of technology; it's that the typical US voter, particular the female voter, finds the prospect of just killing the bad guys to be utterly horrifying. They think bad guys can be cured with therapy and well-building projects.
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I love me battleships. I think we need a large-gun surface combatant. But unless we are raining death on navyless niggers, the time of the battleship has passed.

But the issue is, more than cost, the crew required to run a refitted battleship. Might Mo required a crew of 3,000 to operate in theater.

Now, why not just build modern ships that require less crew? The answer is, effectively, Bikini Atol. The nuclear tests showed that battleships might be able to shrug off incredible amounts of damage on the surface, you can drop them by cavitating the water under them and using their bulk against them.
Later anti-shipping missile development rendered big guns effectively obsolete, and carrier launched jets rendered slow surfact combatants as just expensive targets.
 
Davis said:
The Left cannot know peace, because peace is calm, and calm is not the proper environment for agitating for revolution. [. . .] Though in this case it was an actual communist terrorist, so not a LARP.
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If you've ever seen a teenager who was never paddled as a child arguing with their emotions, then getting loud and violent when they don't get their way, that is a perfect illustration of why groups like Antifa exist.
 
A Cardboard Box said:
Not remotely what this is about. The sticking point is primarily ACA tax credits which are used to keep health insurance premiums down for people that don't have insurance through their employer. The tax credits are set to expire at the end of the year, which will dramatically inflate the premiums many Americans pay for insurance. It should be noted that the tax credits are extremely popular, even among Republicans. It has nothing to do with illegals or anything else whatsoever.
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Yeah Maxine Waters thinks the Dems demands includes healthcare for illegals. Maybe she's a dumbass, but we really don't know what they are demanding behind closed doors.

Honestly I think that is one of their priorities, given their recent history of complete open borders politics.

 
Puff said:
Wait, really? That's slick.
I saw the guy's memorial once while idly driving around. It's a big obelisk in a random corn field in Kentucky.
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Davis was a pretty decent guy.

Everything I read indicated he was well meaning, but elevated above his qualifications. He had a very bad habit of sticking by confed military commanders and not firing them based on personal friendship. That worked out well for Lee but not so much for other commanders like Brag.
 
Frederica Bernkastel said:
It's not "tax credits." It's subsides. The Affordable Healthcare Act did not make healthcare "affordable", it just pushed the burden of paying for healthcare onto the taxpayer. This is just one of the many failures of Democratic healthcare policy. Instead of winning elections to change that, they rather shut down the government.
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Healthcare isn't affordable anyway. It's like 500 a month if you are uninsured and just working some wagie job with no benefits. The ACA is a joke.
 
Ghostse said:
I love me battleships. I think we need a large-gun surface combatant. But unless we are raining death on navyless niggers, the time of the battleship has passed.

But the issue is, more than cost, the crew required to run a refitted battleship. Might Mo required a crew of 3,000 to operate in theater.

Now, why not just build modern ships that require less crew? The answer is, effectively, Bikini Atol. The nuclear tests showed that battleships might be able to shrug off incredible amounts of damage on the surface, you can drop them by cavitating the water under them and using their bulk against them.
Later anti-shipping missile development rendered big guns effectively obsolete, and carrier launched jets rendered slow surfact combatants as just expensive targets.
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Segues into another important point. Artillery remains relevant on land because it's cheap, so you can have a lot of it. On the sea, the most expensive part of a ship isn't the armament, it's the ship itself. You just can't put 5000 battleships to sea. So the fact that an 18" shell is a lot cheaper than a Tomahawk missile doesn't really buy you much.
 
Stupor Mario said:
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Sounds like the final votes for the night have been taken, and it's going to be a shutdown.
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Okay serious question, zero sarcasm: With how the Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House, how is it possible to blame the Democrats?

If the Republicans were united on this issue the bill would pass the house and Senate without a single Democrat vote needed. Excuse my ignorance, but this would mean that the GOP couldn't actually agree and there were a few holdouts who didn't support the budget bill

If we have to pick specific people or a group that is the reason the government is shutting down; It sounds most like a small handful of Republican no-voters are the ones at fault.

Disclaimer: I am not a Democrat, nor do I support the Democrats. Just a genuine question and observation
 
S1apSh0es said:
Okay serious question, zero sarcasm: With how the Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House, how is it possible to blame the Democrats?

If the Republicans were united on this issue the bill would pass the house and Senate without a single Democrat vote needed. Excuse my ignorance, but this would mean that the GOP couldn't actually agree and there were a few holdouts who didn't support the budget bill

If we have to pick specific people or a group that is the reason the government is shutting down; It sounds most like a small handful of Republican no-voters are the ones at fault.

Disclaimer: I am not a Democrat, nor do I support the Democrats. Just a genuine question and observation
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They burnt their card for the BBB that let them do a simple majority. They need 60.
 
Dafuqisdis? said:
Yeah Maxine Waters thinks the Dems demands includes healthcare for illegals. Maybe she's a dumbass, but we really don't know what they are demanding behind closed doors.

Honestly I think that is one of their priorities, given their recent history of complete open borders politics.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VhAbnseL5jk
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democrats' brain-dead foot soldiers are so desperate to stick it to orange man that even if it wasn't true, making a claim that the democrats want healthcare for illegals could cause a bunch of cat ladies to email and call their representatives demanding it now now now
 
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