It's impossible to discuss anything on KF these days.

[negromaschina35]

maybe you should just go to another site or something, Kiwifaggots always sucked

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Yeah sure, sucks to suck, but it's not like I can't empathize. I wouldn't want to go into a thread about theology only for everyone to constantly turn the discussion toward Football Hooliganism and how Man United ruined muh footie. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to talk about one thing without having to constantly bring up the elephant in the room like it hasn't already been pointed out by literally everyone else.

That's my point, it is exceedingly easy to find threads that aren't filled with complaints about Wokeism if you want. If he just wants every thread to be his personal "just wanna grill" hugbox then I don't know what to tell him, go complain on Reddit or something. I'm sorry there exists one (1) somewhat mainstream forum on the Internet where we can say Wokeism is gay, but he can cope and seethe about it.

With 99.98% of the rest of the Internet being an SJW circlejerk (aside from Twitter now, mostly) why not try to tell them to stop complaining about anti-Wokeism instead? Oh, right, that results in a ban.

 

[WE'RE ALL GONNA]

NORMAL GUY: "So... is there anything at all that won't make someone troon out?"
KIWI: "Ummmm...."
NORMAL GUY: "Why do you think these things will cause trooning anyway?"
KIWI: "Because a lot of the lolcows we cover were into these things!"
NORMAL GUY: "You do realize, don't you, that statistically millions of people have experienced these media without becoming trans or turning into some sort of sexual deviant, right? You're basically arguing that the exception is the rule."

Me: *smarr and resonable*
Srawman: HURRR DURR GHHHHFH

Are you 12 or something, you retarded gorilla nigger? No one wants to engage with any of your brain diarrhea for good reason.

If you can't talk about your shitty ideas in real life and have to resort to Kiwifarms, you're a loser. Sorry.

 

[skykiii]

It can if you misattribute good means as evil means.

If a certain means always invariably gets a bad result regardless of intentions, then I'd say its evil means.

In this case the end result would be just that it empowers your enemies and causes the pendulum to swing their way. The whole reason we even have modern social issues is because conservatives used to be nuts (see my points about ACT and BADD).

I remember the Dororo thing, she seemed somewhat sexualized, it wasn't the most overt case of it by any means, but it's definitely one of those "anime things".

I still don't see it.

A bit off topic but the thing that surprised me most is... usually with animation I have a sixth sense that always tells me "that character is a girl" so I've literally never been fooled by the "pretends to be a boy" thing. Dororo... fooled me. She passes for a guy. That's about as un-sexual as you can get IMO.

Then again I've only watched the 1960s version, and I'm not sure if the "Dororo is a girl" thing was in the original or was new for the remake. It wouldn't be the first anime remake to gender-flip a character (people named Remy can attest to that).

Yeah, if you go into the Sony thread there's gonna be a lot of bitching about woke shit, because, surprise, Sony is a woke faggot company.

My problem is it seems to even come up in threads where there isn't some sort of open invitation, or when I make a topic that I can't see a political aspect to.

When I made "when did you feel media started to suck?" I expected that to devolve into wokeness sperging and didn't complain. Do the same thing in "80s Cartoons are Peak" tho, and I'm like.... what's the connection?

.... Although now I wonder if catching those raccoons I hate so much and giving them "gender affirming surgery" would be a good way to scare raccoons away from my area.....

Me: *smarr and resonable*
Srawman: HURRR DURR GHHHHFH

Nice try, but I wasn't strawmanning. People here literally do say things like that. You're blessed if you haven't seen it, but more likely you're just in denial.

Hell there was an example in this very thread.

Are you 12 or something, you retarded gorilla nigger?

I wish.

No one wants to engage with any of your brain diarrhea for good reason.

Because I'm consistently right and people like you get salty about it?

If you can't talk about your shitty ideas in real life and have to resort to Kiwifarms, you're a loser. Sorry.

You sure you wanna strut in here and say "only losers post on Kiwifarms"?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

If a certain means always invariably gets a bad result regardless of intentions, then I'd say its evil means.

In this case the end result would be just that it empowers your enemies and causes the pendulum to swing their way. The whole reason we even have modern social issues is because conservatives used to be nuts (see my points about ACT and BADD).

Good intentions can't be evil means, evil is an intention. You can say the road to hell is paved in good intentions, and there's truth to that, but that's as far as you can reasonably go.

I still don't see it.

A bit off topic but the thing that surprised me most is... usually with animation I have a sixth sense that always tells me "that character is a girl" so I've literally never been fooled by the "pretends to be a boy" thing. Dororo... fooled me. She passes for a guy. That's about as un-sexual as you can get IMO.

Then again I've only watched the 1960s version, and I'm not sure if the "Dororo is a girl" thing was in the original or was new for the remake. It wouldn't be the first anime remake to gender-flip a character (people named Remy can attest to that).

I don't know how Dororo fooled you, it's super obvious. I didn't watch any version, I just looked up images of her, and they seemed modern. She looked tomboyish but I instantly knew it was still a female, here's some from the Wiki's image section:




Of course, sometimes anime will try to make gender ambiguous, or will even just straight up draw an unambiguous female and still call the character male, so it's impossible to always know, but this is a girl and looks like one to me.

My problem is it seems to even come up in threads where there isn't some sort of open invitation, or when I make a topic that I can't see a political aspect to.

When I made "when did you feel media started to suck?" I expected that to devolve into wokeness sperging and didn't complain. Do the same thing in "80s Cartoons are Peak" tho, and I'm like.... what's the connection?

I don't remember the 80's cartoons one, but it kinda makes sense since that was a time without Wokeism, so it may come up as a reason why it was good back in the day. Sure though, it shouldn't dominate the thread. Did it? Or are you just complaining it came up at all?

.... Although now I wonder if catching those raccoons I hate so much and giving them "gender affirming surgery" would be a good way to scare raccoons away from my area.....

No! I love racoons

 

[skykiii]

Good intentions can't be evil means, evil is an intention.

...... BWUH?

No, if evil is an "intention" then there's no such thing as evil people, because every bad thing in history was done because someone was convinced they were somehow doing a good thing for people.

Also we've already agreed some actions (like mutilating children) are bad no matter who does them or why.

Just saying, if the people behind the Rwanda Genocide (which included raping all the women) came out and said "we did it because we were hoping to create offspring who were immune to more diseases" that wouldn't suddenly make what they did any less horrific.

I don't know how Dororo fooled you, it's super obvious.

In the modern version, yeah. Like I said though, I was watching the 1969 version.

THIS Dororo basically looks like Astro Boy with a ponytail.

And again I'm not even sure if this version still has the whole "Dororo is actually a girl" thing. I never finished watching it, because for awhile I've had a bad habit of being interested in a thing for like, five episodes, then losing interest, even when a thing is good.

Sure though, it shouldn't dominate the thread. Did it? Or are you just complaining it came up at all?

I just know I've seen a lot of topics where I can't see any possible political angle and yet somehow it comes up, and in many cases henceforth becomes the thing everyone circlejerks.

I actually can't remember if the eighties cartoon topic specifically was one of those or not.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

No, if evil is an "intention" then there's no such thing as evil people, because every bad thing in history was done because someone was convinced they were somehow doing a good thing for people.

That's not true, and even if it was, good and bad are objective. You would only be correct if morality is subjective, which it isn't. If I somehow think chopping off the head of an innocent person is good my intent is still categorized as bad OBJECTIVELY.

if the people behind the Rwanda Genocide (which included raping all the women) came out and said "we did it because we were hoping to create offspring who were immune to more diseases" that wouldn't suddenly make what they did any less horrific.

Yes, because their intent is still evil, even if they've deluded themselves into thinking it was good. Subjectivism is why we have the problems we do.

In the modern version, yeah. Like I said though, I was watching the 1969 version.

Sure, but I think in the original argument in that other thread there was no specific version cited.

THIS Dororo basically looks like Astro Boy with a ponytail.

And again I'm not even sure if this version still has the whole "Dororo is actually a girl" thing. I never finished watching it, because for awhile I've had a bad habit of being interested in a thing for like, five episodes, then losing interest, even when a thing is good.

Yeah, that doesn't really look like a girl. And I do that too, but I only with video games. Often I'll play a bit, love it, then drop it. With TV I'll actually binge stuff I like. I went through an anime called New Saga in just the last couple days (great stuff).

 

[skykiii]

That's not true, and even if it was, good and bad are objective. You would only be correct if morality is subjective, which it isn't. If I somehow think chopping off the head of an innocent person is good my intent is still categorized as bad OBJECTIVELY.

..... You've got this backwards.

Only actions can be objectively good or bad. Intent is, by definition, subjective. If someone has deluded themselves into thinking they're doing something morally justified, then by definition they have "good intentions."

That's why its the actions we judge, not the intent.

Look at your own example: chopping off the innocent guy's head isn't bad because of "intent," its bad because its chopping someone's head off.

And I do that too, but I only with video games. Often I'll play a bit, love it, then drop it. With TV I'll actually binge stuff I like. I went through an anime called New Saga in just the last couple days (great stuff).

Right away I'm chuckling at the title. "New Saga... as opposed to all the old Sagas out there."

At the moment I'm burned out on anime. It's the prime medium where I'm having the "five episodes then bored" phenomenon.

Happens a lot with games for me as well, worse with how I never quite know what I'm in the mood for, and way too many cases where a certain game hit the spot one day but then just isn't my thing tomorrow.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

..... You've got this backwards.

Only actions can be objectively good or bad. Intent is, by definition, subjective. If someone has deluded themselves into thinking they're doing something morally justified, then by definition they have "good intentions."

Intent is not subjective, I gave an example of this you've not refuted.

Look at your own example: chopping off the innocent guy's head isn't bad because of "intent," its bad because its chopping someone's head off.

It's bad because of both reasons. Even if he never did it and only expressed a desire to do so, his intent would still get him in trouble. We expect people to uphold their civic duties, such as respecting your fellow citizens' rights, one of which is their right to life. An intent to violate that IS INHERENTLY bad, it doesn't matter if he subjectively thinks it's bad, it is objectively bad.

Anyway, we're arguing semantics at this point.

Right away I'm chuckling at the title. "New Saga... as opposed to all the old Sagas out there."

It's a generic title, but refers to his personal saga. He's sent back in time and crates for himself a "new saga", altering his fate.

At the moment I'm burned out on anime. It's the prime medium where I'm having the "five episodes then bored" phenomenon.

Happens a lot with games for me as well, worse with how I never quite know what I'm in the mood for, and way too many cases where a certain game hit the spot one day but then just isn't my thing tomorrow.

Man, I feel exactly that way about games. Glad it ain't just me. Hopefully it doesn't happen with anime. If a series is too long or not conducive to binging then it can happen, but otherwise not really.

 

[Diggus Bickus]

Srawman: HURRR DURR GHHHHFH

Did you miss the part where several people did that exact same "strawman" scenario in this very thread or has the Woman Hate Thread echo chamber rotted your nigger brain?

 

[WE'RE ALL GONNA]

Did you miss the part where several people did that exact same "strawman" scenario in this very thread or has the Woman Hate Thread echo chamber rotted your nigger brain?

I can’t hear you over the slurping of cocks, maybe you should stop sucking massive ween?

 

[Diggus Bickus]

I can’t hear you over the slurping of cocks, maybe you should stop sucking massive ween?

Before you quote your e-daddy admin of the forum take his cock out of your mouth. Kill yourself.

 

[The Cringe Connoisseur]

This site is filled to the brim with obnoxious retards with the attention span, mental capacity and personality of a dead rat. If it isn't vapid edgelord bullshit or bitching about something that's popular to bitch about then it gets little to no traction here unfortunately. That's what happens when your standards for users are low though.

 

[WE'RE ALL GONNA]

Before you quote your e-daddy admin of the forum take his cock out of your mouth. Kill yourself.

Man, you sound really miserable. Maybe you should go on Discord and find some tranny to hook up with

 

[skykiii]

Anyway, we're arguing semantics at this point.

I... guess? Gonna be honest this whole argument is headache-inducing. Intent is objective but the means aren't... that just.... what?

Like, looking from the other end of the telescope, does that mean that if Joker tried to commit a heinous crime, but somehow it wound up not hurting anyone and actually feeding tons of starving orphans, then his intentions were good even if he was trying to do something else?

I need scissors. 61.

......

One more thing about Dororo BTW.... I freaking hate the 1969 theme song. This show has a somber tone, and has cold opens... and that theme (which is mostly just Dororo singing a bunch of nonsense words) just kinda sneaks up on you.

This site is filled to the brim with obnoxious retards with the attention span, mental capacity and personality of a dead rat. If it isn't vapid edgelord bullshit or bitching about something that's popular to bitch about then it gets little to no traction here unfortunately. That's what happens when your standards for users are low though.

What really gets me lately is how a lot of Kiwis now don't sound that much different from the SJWs they used to make fun of. There's a thread here where people actually praised an anime for feminist censorship (I believe it was Bocchi the Rock... that's the name of the anime).

 

[The Cringe Connoisseur]

What really gets me lately is how a lot of Kiwis now don't sound that much different from the SJWs they used to make fun of. There's a thread here where people actually praised an anime for feminist censorship (I believe it was Bocchi the Rock... that's the name of the anime).

This site has a huge amount of complete retards who do absolutely nothing but circle jerk, be virtue signaling self righteous pretentious faggots, bitch cry and talk out of their ass over politics and never do anything but jack off to the sound of their own voices. while constantly bitching about leftists circle jerking, being virtue signaling self righteous pretentious faggots, bitching crying and talking out of their ass over politics and never doing anything but jacking off to the sound of their own voices.

The human species will surely only benefit when all of these legitimate retards drop dead.

 

[slungus22]

This site has a huge amount of completely worthless retards who do absolutely nothing but circle jerk, be virtue signaling self righteous pretentious faggots, bitch cry and talk out of their ass over politics and never do anything but jack off to the sound of their own voices. while constantly bitching about leftists circle jerking, being virtue signaling self righteous pretentious faggots, bitching crying and talking out of their ass over politics and never doing anything but jacking off to the sound of their own voices.

The human species will surely only benefit when all of these legitimate retards drop dead.

its ok when i do it

 

[skykiii]

The human species will surely only benefit when all of these legitimate retards drop dead.

Well, there's been some benefits personally.

There was a time I was almost a radical right-wing, but of all sites, Kiwi Farms pushed me back from that, in particular because I saw how unpleasant a lot of people here were. This helped jog my memory of the fact that before we had SJWs, we had people like Jack Thompson (who was an arch-conservative but made a lot of arguments very similar to what Anita Sarkeesian would say later).

And bringing back the point I mentioned earlier about "all media will make you troon out," I seem to remember there was this guy named Frederick Wertham who said reading comic books made you gay, and his idiotic theories wound up being what led American comics into sharp decline (not immediately, of course, but the resulting "dark and edgy" bullshit of the 1990s was a direct reaction to Freddy's nonsense, and wound up being the point where comics went downhill). It's notable that manga never had a Wertham-like figure and that medium only continued to get better... until western influencers started trying to nanny them, then it started to suck.

Funny, that. It's almost like there's a direct correlation between moral guardians and a decline in artistic quality or something!

Also, this has nothing to do with anything, but...

One effect Kiwi Farms has had on me lately is I've really gotten sick of seeing the n-word. I only ever say the actual word for demonstrative purposes or if I'm quoting someone else... because I'm not an insecure edgelord.

When it comes to other people using it, at first I was fine, but.... when you were in school, did you ever have that one friend who would try to say "fuck" in every sentence they uttered, no matter how forced it sounded, and they did it so often that soon it stopped being a novelty and became just annoying? But then you couldn't tell them to stop because if you did they just accused you of wanting to nanny them like the grownups do?

That's Kiwis in a nutshell, except instead of "fuck," its "nigger" and "faggot."

Also Kiwis have pushed me more towards anti-racism. There was a period I almost bought into it, but then I started seeing people post their moronic racial theories, all of which require some degree of cognitive dissonance, and in the worst cases make about as much sense as Flat Earth Theory.

But then, I imagine most of these people don't really believe their own nonsense, they're just trying to "virtue" signal.

 

[THE SUPREME ORANGE]

One effect Kiwi Farms has had on me lately is I've really gotten sick of seeing the n-word

sir you are the nigger faggot we been talking about all along

 

[Battlefield42]

This site has a huge amount of complete retards who do absolutely nothing but circle jerk, be virtue signaling self righteous pretentious faggots, bitch cry and talk out of their ass over politics and never do anything but jack off to the sound of their own voices. while constantly bitching about leftists circle jerking, being virtue signaling self righteous pretentious faggots, bitching crying and talking out of their ass over politics and never doing anything but jacking off to the sound of their own voices.

The human species will surely only benefit when all of these legitimate retards drop dead.

Uh oh you are now a fence s(h)itter. You now must become extremist or you will be debanked, phonebooked, stalked and assassinated.