Alcoholism Support Thread - Down the hatch

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It's going to be long and will contain TMI.
Great work, keep it up.
I found lots of personal health improvements also and one of my friends literally got gout. I couldn't comprehend anyone besides DSP having it so I think my friend thought I was making fun of him by being so amazed that he got gout but yeah normal people can get it through a really shitty diet and being sedentary.
 
Great work, keep it up.
I found lots of personal health improvements also and one of my friends literally got gout. I couldn't comprehend anyone besides DSP having it so I think my friend thought I was making fun of him by being so amazed that he got gout but yeah normal people can get it through a really shitty diet and being sedentary.
Gout was the perfect wake up call for me, it's as if my body knew my brain needed a big dose of pain to reboot. I don't wish gout on anyone, but for me it was a blessing in disguise.
 
Reminded me of a couple things
I feel a bit of nostalgia under specific circumstances where I tell myself:
"Man I'd be having more fun with a complementary glass." That's about all.
I still get this sometimes. I have to remind myself that by the end I wasn't having fun anymore. What I miss isn't drinking, just a small and fleeting part of it, without the commensurate downsides. And having a life that was conducive to drinking, which isn't sustainable or fulfilling -- as I've proven to myself through firsthand empirical research.
Sometimes I miss being more fun, and funny and interesting, and it's easy to attribute that to alcohol, but I had that exact same thought when I was drinking so that's bullshit too. And I'm still able to make my friends laugh until they cry so it's probably not even true that I'm less fun or funny or interesting, I probably just notice it less because we have less time to spend together. Sobriety inevitably coincides with getting older and it's easy to conflate the effects of one with the other.
This is essentially what REBT is -- making refutations of the little lies you tell yourself, until those refutations become as automatic as the thoughts they refute -- and it works a lot better than willpower or discipline in my experience. Willpower and discipline are open ended and leave you with a sense of deprivation, like an open parenthesis; disputing your irrational beliefs closes the parentheses.

I do think I need to get better at deactivating my sympathetic nervous system and compartmentalizing/suppressing my bullshit and just focus on enjoying the moment, since that was one of the things I relied on alcohol to do for me. But that's a battle in itself.

Also PSA to everybody in this thread specifically I have stickers adblocked because I think they're gay so if I don't give you a sticker don't take it personally, I'm still happy for you and proud of you.
 
I am pretty MATI at the moment and unable to relax. Feels like I've hit a dead end with several things and I can't access help because the doctors are literally retarded and for some other reasons to do with geography. The only way forward is going to be to accept a total loss on several things in life and totally rebuild from the ground up and have much lower expectations and reaching the phase where I'm starting to feel like I'm too old for this shit and I'm a bit exhausted from trying at this point.

I don't really feel like drinking so much as wish I were drunk and could at least go fuck around and do something else with my time. The only real reason I don't want to drink is the inevitable hangover

To make matters worse I've stopped taking an interest in basically anything. Which is depression talking but I can't access help for it. I don't know how to restart myself at this point and find something in the world that's interesting anymore.
Following up on this. I let out my anger by typing really hard and being aggressive and I felt relief somehow after that.
It definitely hits very different when you have a lot of anger to let out and you no longer have the option of getting black out drunk so you just have to flow with and ride extreme emotions. They seem to keep coming and getting more severe but also easier to ride - I expected this negative wave to last a few weeks because of how tremendously bad I felt but once I dealt with the emotions it only lasted a few hours. I felt great the day after for some reason and moved on quickly from the little cave I had dug for myself in nigativity.
 
Following up on this. I let out my anger by typing really hard and being aggressive and I felt relief somehow after that.
This might sound trite and cliche, but exercise is a great replacement after giving up alcohol, substances, porn, doomscrolling, or whatever your source of drip-feed dopamine is. It lets me get some of that anger/aggression out too. That feeling of listlessness, anhedonia, acedia, depression or whatever you want to identify it as, is very difficult to feel when I'm bench-pressing a bar that could kill me if I drop it on my face/neck/chest. And when I'm done, my body gives me that feel good brain juice for actually doing something.
 
In light of Cobes' passing, I feel compelled to share my experience here with my fellow farmers. It's going to be long and will contain TMI.
Developing gout from drinking alcohol is an excellent motivation to quit. I never had to deal with it, but I have met people who did and the pain is exquisite.
 
Following up on this. I let out my anger by typing really hard and being aggressive and I felt relief somehow after that.
It definitely hits very different when you have a lot of anger to let out and you no longer have the option of getting black out drunk so you just have to flow with and ride extreme emotions. They seem to keep coming and getting more severe but also easier to ride - I expected this negative wave to last a few weeks because of how tremendously bad I felt but once I dealt with the emotions it only lasted a few hours. I felt great the day after for some reason and moved on quickly from the little cave I had dug for myself in nigativity.
Yeah this is a huge revelation for a lot of people. That you can just feel bad and you don't have to reach for anything outside yourself to get through it or "fix" it. There's obviously an internal impetus to avoid discomfort, but there's also external pressure in the sense that society has become so fagged up about positivity that anything else is written off as a behavioral problem or a mood disorder. There's an expectation that we're supposed to be happy all the time, both in terms of mood and how we present ourselves, and without quoting Schopenhaur suffice to say it causes nothing but problems. Every emotion is natural and has its place, and treating them as something to be avoided or remedied leads to a narrowed and impeded existence, when in reality it generally resolves itself when you let it run its course. People need to cry, people need to express grief, people need to express rage. Ideally you sublimate it into an activity that is beneficial to you or someone else, but even impotent expressions serve a purpose.

There's a book called The Comfort Crisis by Michael Easter that is tangential to sobriety but also one of the few pieces of writing that I would recommend to literally everyone. It's not a great book in terms of writing, he's not much of a writer in my opinion; rather it's an excellent collection of valuable information regarding discomfort and how we benefit from it.
 
I drank heavily for almost a decade. I could guzzle down a 12 pack a night and still want more, and I was doing it alone. I have a nervous stomach and couldn't take how it made me feel, so I gave it up. As much as I enjoyed booze, the nausea wasn't worth it. It's been a couple of years since I was a drunkard (think I left a lot of messages in the drunk thread back then), and I do not miss it.

About a month ago, I tracked down and tried some mead for the first time in my life, because it's something I've always wanted to do. Sadly, I've grown such a psychological aversion to drink that I wasn't able to even enjoy it.
 
When I was deep in it, that's something I always hated; the dread of not having enough. Watching the water level get closer and closer to the bottom, calculating how much I was going to drink tonight to decide if I could drive to the liquor store before I got completely shitfaced, anxiety rising as I realized I won't have enough, toying with the idea of driving this drunk to just go get more and possibly killing myself or someone else. It makes me kind of sick to think about now.
A lot of people don't realize how much an addict's life revolves around acquiring and measuring their drug of choice.

It can definitely get worse though when you're physically dependent on alcohol and start drinking at work to stave off the shakes. Congrats, you went from wanting to drink alcohol all the time to having to drink alcohol all the time, and you would be surprised at how many people out there are going through this.
 
It can definitely get worse though when you're physically dependent on alcohol and start drinking at work to stave off the shakes. Congrats, you went from wanting to drink alcohol all the time to having to drink alcohol all the time, and you would be surprised at how many people out there are going through this.
The fun part was revolving liquor stores. You didn't want to go to the same liquor store to get all your booze because then they'll realize you're a full-blown alcoholic, so you go to Paddy's Packie on Monday, Louie's Liquors on Tuesday, Pajeet's Place on Wednesday, Ching Chong's Chinky Chug Palace on Thursday, and then start back at Paddy's on Friday. Then you get into the logistics of disposing all the bottles so that your neighbors don't see your overflowing recycle bin and realize you're an alcoholic...
 
One giant chain bought out 4 of the 5 liquor stores in my small city, and they rotate their staff. I could go in to "Store A" and be greeted by Employee Chuck, then a day or two later go to "Store B" and Chuck would be working there too. It was mad embarrassing.
That's actually kind of funny and the type of thing that should have a comedy sketch made about it and only gets a few thousand views but the comments are filled with people sharing anecdotes like yours.
 
That's actually kind of funny and the type of thing that should have a comedy sketch made about it and only gets a few thousand views but the comments are filled with people sharing anecdotes like yours.
The shit I hear in AA meetings is both hilarious and awful.
 
I've always kinda wanted to write a one-act play of a guy in his early 20s who goes to an AA meeting and hears people telling their war stories and just thinks "well... at least I'm not that bad yet" and never comes back.
It would work as a short play. What really causes this is rooms full of angry people. There are plenty of guys in my group with heartbreaking stories, but they still laugh and joke.
 
If anyone is interested, there's a series called Loudermilk. It's a premise of a ripoff of AA led by a miserable guy who hates everyone and everything. It's three seasons long and has a special place in my heart. I binge watched all three seasons in like half a week while I was stuck inside with covid.
 
End of week four, guess that means I'm a quarter of the way through.

It's not been that difficult this week. I've been so busy (moving house) that I've not really had time to think about drinking. It was a bit sad to move into the new house and not be able to celebrate with some champagne (the previous owners even left a bottle in the fridge for us), but again, there will always be an excuse.

Cycled to work this morning instead of taking the car. Goddamn has my physical fitness gone to shit lol. I'm sure all the drinking hasn't helped. I'm not fat but I've got no stamina. Just another thing to work on.

This coming week might be a challenge. I've got a business trip, so again solo travelling. Plus, one of the points of the trip is the 'schmoozing' with these colleagues after work. Not sure how I'm going to pull that off without drinking. What do you even say? It's embarrassing to say I let it get out of hand, and what's more that might even make me look like a liability in a work setting. I've got a reputation as someone who likes a drink so it's going to look weird, people are going to ask. :-/
 
Had a drinking dream last night. Sucks to know that those will still happen after four years, but at least I woke up sober. (Panicking, but sober.)
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What do you even say?
Most people legitimately don't give a shit if you drink today, or not. You don't owe anyone an explanation. If they do care that you're not drinking, they probably already know why you're not. When offered a drink "No thanks, not tonight," is a perfectly normal answer. Worse comes to worst, and you really get nervous about it, say you're on an antibiotic.
 
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This coming week might be a challenge. I've got a business trip, so again solo travelling. Plus, one of the points of the trip is the 'schmoozing' with these colleagues after work. Not sure how I'm going to pull that off without drinking. What do you even say? It's embarrassing to say I let it get out of hand, and what's more that might even make me look like a liability in a work setting. I've got a reputation as someone who likes a drink so it's going to look weird, people are going to ask. :-/
What I do is say I'm on a new medication that I can't drink with, like statins for cholesterol. Or say you hurt your back, took some Advil, and you can't drink.
 
What I do is say I'm on a new medication that I can't drink with, like statins for cholesterol. Or say you hurt your back, took some Advil, and you can't drink.
I love how I used to dread making excuses not to drink. And literally no one ever batted an eye. Just because I don't drink like normal people, and my thoughts were consumed with it, doesn't make the rest of the world like that. It took me far too long a time to reach that realization.
 
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