r/fuckcars / Not Just Bikes / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Dante Alighieri]

Communists are retarded, kindly kill yourself.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Ah yes, another case of "joined yesterday"

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

do you wanna respond to what I said or do you just devolve into corny insults when you can’t make a argument against something

There's nothing to respond to. Your messages boil down to "ummm cars are bad mmkay? ". According to you there should be less cars and everyone should ride on the bus, because you think it's an answer to some super duper important problem in our society. The thing is that this problem does not exist, it's just an """urbanist""" (as you can hardly call redditors this way) psyop

 

[An Idle Observer]

Here I am, sipping my metaphorical beer, just having set things up to get two Japanese imports shipped to where I live.

I got a Toyota Vista/Camry for Dad, and a Nissan Caravan for me. Both turbo diesel, both 4WD for winter.

I bring this up because I've found the Japanese car market just in general to be urbanist kryptonite, and I can always use more excuses to bitch about the fact my state won't let me register a kei car for road use unless it's in the same category as a UTV. Kei vehicles literally solve 75% of the woes of Urbanism and another 20% goes with people-hauler vans for micro-mass-transit, like a Ford E-series van.

And I find the fact they're so bike-brained they won't even consider something like a Daihatsu Midget as a possibility hilariously sad.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I have no skin in the game; it's just a common sense position.

The problem is that these dipshits are so blinded by their insufferable sense of superiority, they don't see that bike lanes aren't the solution to all of life's problems. Another case in point:

"Twenty-nine car parks removed seven years ago as part of Rotorua's "Green Corridor" cycleway are set to return as a stretch of the cycleway is removed. The removal, starting next week, will cost $50,000. The entire cycleway's construction cost $442,000 in 2015."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/part-of-rotoruas-green-corridor-cycleway-to-be-removed/VDWA7J2AWE2EM4UP6G6MMKUNRA/
Half a million dollars pissed away on something completely pointless and counterproductive.

I always treat the phrase "common sense" when it comes to position and laws as an extremely subjective term, because it usually comes off as clueless or arrogant, like how advocates of "common sense gun laws" have no experience with firearms at all, or how the definition of such changes. Just looking at news archives, a 1989 column discusses how Florida was a model for common-sense laws in that there was a stiff fine for gun negligence resulting in death or injury of a child, whereas the same phrase bandied about in 2024 is mandatory waiting periods, red flag laws, and banning high-capacity magazines (among others). It shouldn't change with time, much less with the same people.

if i want a fancy wine i go to the wine store, if i want some special aged cut of meat i go to the butcher, if i want fresh fish i go to the fishmonger, etc.

Most American supermarkets have a large wine selection with handful of them having a glass case of a few of the premium $1000+ wines they have. If you were a wine snob you can go to a large liquor store (many states in the United States do not allow grocery stores to sell liquor beyond beer and wine) or a specialty store but unless you were a major wine snob and/or were wealthy enough to be able to have 40+ bottles on hand in your own home, that's not necessary.

You can't really call people NPCs for this when they will most definitely escalate the situation and if you win the encounter, you will be charged and villainized to be the next Derek Chauvin in most western countries. You'd have to live in a country where there's no two tier policing for your statement to make sense.

Yup. Daniel Penny went through hell after he was accused of killing of a violent hobo/habitual criminal, and despite being acquitted Wikipedia still has the incident labeled as "Killing of Jordan Neely".

I strongly suspect that you and I have different definitions as to what a “real supermarket” is.

I've never been to Europe but the closest relative to American supermarkets seems to be the hypermarket (Auchan, Carrefour, etc.) which were based off of American supermarkets decades ago and based on some of these pictures have a comparable selection to your average American supermarket. The merchandise mix is a little bit different, clothing and food are rarely mixed together in the same store (the only store to really do it in the States is Walmart but Walmart's food selection is sub-par); rather grocery stores have full drugstores mixed into them that offer commodity non-food items (school supplies, baby goods, various sundries, and a few small appliances).

you dont? also if its all the same, why do you need much bigger supermarkets? arent 20 different brands of coffee enough?

Yes. More selection = better. I refuse to play the "do you NEED [x]?" game because there's no floor to that until you have a single capsule bed you share with two other people.

I know this isn't really that interesting of a revelation to us; however I needed to find a real example for myself. No, they are not carrying their instruments on a cargo bike, they are not carrying them on a bus. They are using a private vehicle. That annoying argument they use has always bothered me because they assume people in more urbanized areas own these things, but never want to admit that they move them around the same way we do and the equipment doesn't magically teleport where it's supposed to be.

It SHOULD be obvious because even Europe has those little box trucks for small deliveries like furniture or appliances.

There's nothing to respond to. Your messages boil down to "ummm cars are bad mmkay? ". According to you there should be less cars and everyone should ride on the bus, because you think it's an answer to some super duper important problem in our society. The thing is that this problem does not exist, it's just an """urbanist""" (as you can hardly call redditors this way) psyop

Pretty sure he's speedrunning to a pink triangle and/or permanent ban, flag and move on.

 

[Baraka Obama]

I'm sure it varies, my nearest grocery store (city, Canada) half the store footprint is produce. I don't really buy produce there because I can get better quality stuff directly from farmers. Does have nice quality meat which is easier to get there fresh than it is from farmers.

But if you wanted to you could absolutely go somewhere else and buy nothing but slop in a can or frozen microwave meals.

 

[quaawaa]

I'm sure it varies, my nearest grocery store (city, Canada) half the store footprint is produce. I don't really buy produce there because I can get better quality stuff directly from farmers. Does have nice quality meat which is easier to get there fresh than it is from farmers.

But if you wanted to you could absolutely go somewhere else and buy nothing but slop in a can or frozen microwave meals.

As Jason constantly complains about, Canada is America’s 51st state. Until they started mass building condo towers for the newly imported jeets, Canadian cities looked identical to American cities. Even then, the new parts are more similar to Asian cities than European cities.

 

[DavidS877]

clothing and food are rarely mixed together in the same store (the only store to really do it in the States is Walmart but Walmart's food selection is sub-par);

Fred Meyer, in the Pacific Northwest, would like a word. It's a chain that Kroger bought but kept pretty much as-is. Basically a WalMart with slightly less clothes and a more 'normal' grocery selection. Including fancy cheese sometimes. Most have electronics, hardware, drug store, outdoor stuff, furniture, housewares, etc.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

As Jason constantly complains about, Canada is America’s 51st state. Until they started mass building condo towers for the newly imported jeets, Canadian cities looked identical to American cities. Even then, the new parts are more similar to Asian cities than European cities.

There were some differences, their strip mall counterparts tended to be fully enclosed malls (anchored by a small supermarket) but otherwise it was a similar mix of office buildings and mass transit in bigger cities with smaller towns and suburbs having low-density subdivisions, gas stations, fast food, and so on.

But if you wanted to you could absolutely go somewhere else and buy nothing but slop in a can or frozen microwave meals.

One of the things that I've noticed is making broad assumptions about the retail and restaurant mix of urban areas and suburban areas.

Even before the bodega cope became the focus of in post-COVID New York, the city has the best restaurants, the coolest bars, and the most interesting stores, and what a coincidence, they're ALL in your area and not located on the other side of the urban area! In contrast, suburbs have Walmart, Panda Express, and McDonald's, with "fine dining" meaning Cheddar's or Chili's. And these are still a 20-minute drive away for some reason.

These have some basis in reality but it's not the rule. Many neighborhoods in the "city" suck as far as retail and restaurant options go, while suburbs can have exotic or fancy restaurants, the best retail options, and so forth.

Fred Meyer, in the Pacific Northwest, would like a word. It's a chain that Kroger bought but kept pretty much as-is. Basically a WalMart with slightly less clothes and a more 'normal' grocery selection. Including fancy cheese sometimes. Most have electronics, hardware, drug store, outdoor stuff, furniture, housewares, etc.

The term "rarely" was supposed to be the qualifier there, not to say that Walmart was the only one (at least on a national scale). There's still a very real market/culture thing of not being able to combine clothes shopping and grocery shopping beyond "commodity" clothing.

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Also, the third issue of a "A Human-Scaled Journey?" for your reading pleasure...

 

[TowinKarz]

Yes. More selection = better. I refuse to play the "do you NEED [x]?" game because there's no floor to that until you have a single capsule bed you share with two other people.

The practical limit is even further down the "tech tree" - after all, didn't we as a species once just sleep outdoors? Do you NEED a bed? Do you NEED a roof? What more do you need than just a tent? Do you NEED even that if you can just find a tree to nap under!? What do you do in winter? Pft! Migrate to a warmer, drier climate, do you NEED to live HERE for some reason?!

 

[Yamamura]

I refuse to play the "do you NEED [x]?" game because there's no floor to that until you have a single capsule bed you share with two other people.

Which is why I stated I prefer to err on the other side of that. I don't mind if someone uses a F-350 to carry a single bag of groceries because it's not my business. I've stated before I'm not really into trucks, but hey I side with them more than the urbanists because no truck owner has advocated to take away my ability to drive.

 

[TowinKarz]

Which is why I stated I prefer to err on the other side of that. I don't mind if someone uses a F-350 to carry a single bag of groceries because it's not my business. I've stated before I'm not really into trucks, but hey I side with them more than the urbanists because no truck owner has advocated to take away my ability to drive.

The commie in them can't help it, it's "their" money he's wasting as far as they're concerned. Which is why they feel morally and ethically justified in taking his truck. Either directly by force or indirectly by regulating it into noncompliance.

Just the mere fact that Eurpoeans now have the option, not the mandate, not the incentive, just the option, to buy American trucks? Has them spitting nails for a reason. That's thousands of dollars being spent when it SHOULD go to THEM!

 

[Markass the Worst]

"Oh I guess people in the Netherlands/Japan don't play the drums then".

They do, they just use cars. The only people surprised by this are urbanists, who live in a fantasy world where bikes and transit are the solution to everything, when they aren't.

It should be obvious why musicians (with large instruments) use cars. Obviously, they don't teleport, so they use a convenient means of transport. Walking is too long and too physically exerting, and cargo bikes are ruled out for the same in addition to being unsafe (nobody has ever transported a tuba by bike, no this is not a dare don't do it unless you have a death wish). Transit has its typical problems in addition to extra inconvenience from having to physically move the items yourself for every single transfer.

Car-hating retards don't ever admit to any of this, and if they do their standard cope is that they should just rent a car instead because car ownership is still bad and cars spending 98% of the time being parked is supposedly "inefficient."

 

[Kiska]

hurt the environment

environmentalism is literally a scam - you can find shit even 25 years ago like Penn and Teller talking about how NGOs like greenpeace were trying to manipulate people to buy more expensive "organic" products and buy random bikes. wild how people buy into that shit so much when all they do is push for alternative forms of consoomslop.

bro like you have some ok ideas but u should value ur own personal freedom and safety way more, walking is great and it'll probably solve america's obesity crisis if people actually got off their mobility scooters more often while shopping, a train is fine for commuting or when you're too tired to get somewhere alone but take the train away and you shouldn't have to be forced out of society - hence get a car. Also imagine living in a place that's quiet where you never have to worry about leaving your car and house doors unlocked all the time, imo it's a really strong argument in favor of the current suburban development model and one I enjoy myself

stop huffing up the asses of leftist grifters though, based on your wording I have a pretty good idea of what you consume to formulate your opinions off of, similar to my first point wrg to that.

 

[Jhonson the Two]

environmentalism is literally a scam - you can find shit even 25 years ago like Penn and Teller talking about how NGOs like greenpeace were trying to manipulate people to buy more expensive "organic" products and buy random bikes. wild how people buy into that shit so much when all they do is push for alternative forms of consoomslop.

It's my personal belief that sciences & technology advances is the response to environmental challenges (aka how humanity worked and will work with its surrounding, it was never a problem the challenge is just bigger now). The more efficient the industry will be, the less we will produce waste, the less we will have to take care of it, the less we will lose money+natural resources. An example is plastic depolymerization.
I know it's and the argument is full of holes but you need to believe in something in your life.

 

[quaawaa]

Even before the bodega cope became the focus of in post-COVID New York, the city has the best restaurants, the coolest bars, and the most interesting stores, and what a coincidence, they're ALL in your area and not located on the other side of the urban area! In contrast, suburbs have Walmart, Panda Express, and McDonald's, with "fine dining" meaning Cheddar's or Chili's. And these are still a 20-minute drive away for some reason.

Transplant New Yorkers:

We don't shop at chains like Walgreens or Panera Bread like you suburban rubes, instead we patronize local businesses like Duane Reade and Pret a Manger.

 

[P. Barnes’ THOT 2.0]

Fred Meyer, in the Pacific Northwest, would like a word. It's a chain that Kroger bought but kept pretty much as-is. Basically a WalMart with slightly less clothes and a more 'normal' grocery selection. Including fancy cheese sometimes. Most have electronics, hardware, drug store, outdoor stuff, furniture, housewares, etc.

Yes. Some Fred Meyer love. This is the first store that came to mind. MUCH better than Walmart, though it’s basically the same idea.
We have relatives that visit from the east coast and always clamor to go to Fred Meyer

E: so I didn’t post just a single sentence

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Which is why I stated I prefer to err on the other side of that. I don't mind if someone uses a F-350 to carry a single bag of groceries because it's not my business. I've stated before I'm not really into trucks, but hey I side with them more than the urbanists because no truck owner has advocated to take away my ability to drive.

I'll only advocate to take away someone's right to drive if they are a Jeet or another Non-White

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Re-writing these comics is a bit of a creative writing exercise.

 

[quaawaa]

Trump's trade deal is already working:











OP, who is an Indian troon, hates the truck, but the Finns in the pictures seem to like it.


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