r/fuckcars / Not Just Bikes / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Stoneheart]

But from an American suburban perspective, that’s ridiculously slow. A 15 minute drive would be driving to the complete other side of the city for me.

so how far is the next nice cinema or good bar from you? is it on the other side of towns maybe?

Looking at Munich, for example, there’s a grocery store every few blocks, but they’re tiny. It seems like you’d have to go to multiple stores to get the same selection of an American supermarket.

they are tiny but they are real supermarkets that sell every food item normal people need.
the big difference is that american supermarkets sell alot of bad non food stuff and alot of slob packaged as premium while europe has alot more special stores still around.

if i want a fancy wine i go to the wine store, if i want some special aged cut of meat i go to the butcher, if i want fresh fish i go to the fishmonger, etc.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

if i want a fancy wine i go to the wine store, if i want some special aged cut of meat i go to the butcher, if i want fresh fish i go to the fishmonger, etc.

I disagree, as a fellow euro. I don't have time to spend multiple hours hauling stuff between multiple stores. Big supermarkets are the best way to go, just drive there, buy enough stuff for the week, put it in the car and drive home. Pretty much every supermarket has fancy wines, good fish and a butcher's section inside anyway

 

[Stoneheart]

Pretty much every supermarket has fancy wines, good fish and a butcher's section inside anyway

but not good ones.
its most visible with cheese, most supermarkets have 10 types of cheese and 5 brands for each, nothing interesting. the cheese store on the market has every possible cheese.
some of us want the extra funky goat milk cheese and not the basic bitch gouda.

 

[quaawaa]

so how far is the next nice cinema or good bar from you? is it on the other side of towns maybe?

No, it's in my neighborhood shopping center, less than five minutes away door-to-door. Americans will often travel far to try a new place or to go to their favorite version of something, but they're never far from anything unless they're rural.

the big difference is that american supermarkets sell alot of bad non food stuff and alot of slob packaged as premium while europe has alot more special stores still around.

Your grocery stores looked to be mostly prepackaged slop:


Just because RFK Jr. and dumbass tourists say something doesn't mean that it's true. In reality, Americans and Europeans eat very similarly and the food quality is indistinguishable (in many cases, they're literally the same products made/grown/raised by the same companies, just with different labeling).

The German produce section (you can see the junk food in the background it's so small):


The produce department alone at an American grocery store is larger than the entire German store.

if i want a fancy wine i go to the wine store, if i want some special aged cut of meat i go to the butcher, if i want fresh fish i go to the fishmonger, etc.

That's the whole point. You have to go to a half dozen stores to get the same stuff than an American gets in one place. All that travel time adds up and you probably spend more time in transit to stores than a rural American does.

its most visible with cheese, most supermarkets have 10 types of cheese and 5 brands for each, nothing interesting. the cheese store on the market has every possible cheese.

That's just cause you have tiny grocery stores:

These are all from a single upper-middle class grocery store, and if you couldn't tell from the signs, are only a small portion of the cheese section.

 

[FPTMIU]

A lot of people who take public transport don't even use it to be productive/relaxing while on the tube. The last time I saw someone read a book on the train, it was a fat woman reading female erotica while picking her nose.

The other times you have loud foreigners or faggots blasting their music or being loud in the designated quite part of the train. The most NPC thing is that nobody tries to reprimand them for being loud. A nigger can be talking loudly the entire time and nobody is willing to step up to ask them to be quite. You can see them look agitated at the nigger but never do anything, as if it is out of their control. But when you personally ask the nigger to be quite these NPC's will give you the fluoride stair for doing something so incomprehensible.

You can't really call people NPCs for this when they will most definitely escalate the situation and if you win the encounter, you will be charged and villainized to be the next Derek Chauvin in most western countries. You'd have to live in a country where there's no two tier policing for your statement to make sense.

When they say "efficient public transport system" they don't mean "a public transport system that runs efficiently" they mean "public transportation is more efficient" (it isn't). When they say "access to bike lanes" they mean that they have to a full Netherlands-style bike network or it's "broken" and blame the non-use on the fact that it isn't built out enough. When they say "less car dependency" they mean cramming people into hyper-dense structures and giving them shit options for work and stores. (This is why the bodega cope exists).

I'd say a Moscow-style metro system + A enhanced version of the Dutch bike system (Just fietssnelwegen that don't interact directly with traffic, so that the minimum speed limit can be increased on roads to about 50-60 KM/h without any of the retarded attempts at making cyclists intermingle with cars) would be ideal

 

[quaawaa]

A enhanced version of the Dutch bike system (Just fietssnelwegen that don't interact directly with traffic, so that the minimum speed limit can be increased on roads to about 50-60 KM/h without any of the retarded attempts at making cyclists intermingle with cars) would be ideal

There are countless American suburbs with fully separated bike trails. Cyclists still ride in the roads instead of using them. They say, with no sense of irony, that they can't use them because it's annoying to have to pass/yield to slower traffic like walkers, joggers, kids riding bikes, and dogs.

 

[FPTMIU]

That's the whole point. You have to go to a half dozen stores to get the same stuff than an American gets in one place. All that travel time adds up and you probably spend more time in transit to stores than a rural American does.

I don't know, I personally can get most of that at a supermarket over here as well. Its just that supermarket products are shit quality and it's generally better to buy products from places that specialize in them. This doesn't just count for europe

There are countless American suburbs with fully separated bike trails. Cyclists still ride in the roads instead of using them. They say, with no sense of irony, that they can't use them because it's annoying to have to pass/yield to slower traffic like walkers, joggers, kids riding bikes, and dogs.

Yeah, just ban them from using the roads like they do here in the Netherlands. That way you evade that problem entirely.

 

[Stoneheart]

No, it's in my neighborhood shopping center, less than five minutes away door-to-door.

what shopping center has a nice bar? my go to bar right now is in an old mill, has a very nice outdoor area along the river. and its not some special bar, there are plenty all over town and along the river, i just like the music and cocktails best in this one.

Your grocery stores looked to be mostly prepackaged slop:

most of that isnt slop, its just basic stuff like margerine, coffee, cornflakes, etc.
yes there is some slop in those pictures and those prepacked vegetables are just stupid, they always have some wierd dampness to them.

In reality, Americans and Europeans eat very similarly and the food quality is indistinguishable

europeans cook alot more slop from scratch.

The produce department alone at an American grocery store is larger than the entire German store.

what vegetable are you missing in the picture?

That's the whole point. You have to go to a half dozen stores to get the same stuff than an American gets in one place. All that travel time adds up and you probably spend more time in transit to stores than a rural American does.

they are all close to each other in the same street or the markethall.
the biggest downside is that there are also cigar and liquor stores in the same places so sometimes you see something nice in the window and spend alot of money on booze.

 

[quaawaa]

what shopping center has a nice bar? my go to bar right now is in an old mill, has a very nice outdoor area along the river. and its not some special bar, there are plenty all over town and along the river, i just like the music and cocktails best in this

Once you start picking favorites over closeness, the amount of time could be anything from under a minute to over an hour depending on where you live, where the business is, and the size of the city you live in.

most of that isnt slop, its just basic stuff like margerine, coffee, cornflakes, etc.
yes there is some slop in those pictures and those prepacked vegetables are just stupid, they always have some wierd dampness to them.

It’s slop by your standards, unless you think that American packaged foods are somehow different. Do you think that American grocery stores have aisle after aisle of Doritos and Mountain Dew?

 

[Jhonson the Two]

For the big vs tiny supermarkets thing, I'll say it depends of the need. Sometimes you have the time to go buy some fine fruits, meat & wine, sometimes you have to ride to the hypermarket stuffing your car to the brim as fast as possible of cheaper things for the month (like rice or flour).
There is also times when you want to have little chat with the butcher and times when you want as few interactions as possible which supermarket are good for.
I'm lucky enough to have the two options but still have to use the car since I'm not a city dweller, the difference is you can put your car at the outer ring of the town close to the metro/bus/tram system in big parkings made just for this. The city have also a lot of bike lines (we even have some bike-o-meters ) and big open spaces only for walkers and cyclists.
And even that is not enough for these fanatics.

 

[Stoneheart]

It’s slop by your standards, unless you think that American packaged foods are somehow different. Do you think that American grocery stores have aisle after aisle of Doritos and Mountain Dew?

you dont? also if its all the same, why do you need much bigger supermarkets? arent 20 different brands of coffee enough?

 

[catpetter]

This is the most retarded shit I've ever seen. I'm not even going to mention that fucking handwriting.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

you dont? also if its all the same, why do you need much bigger supermarkets? arent 20 different brands of coffee enough?

Aren't 20 types of wine, vodka and beer enough?

but not good ones.
its most visible with cheese, most supermarkets have 10 types of cheese and 5 brands for each, nothing interesting. the cheese store on the market has every possible cheese.
some of us want the extra funky goat milk cheese and not the basic bitch gouda.

It's not true though. A random carrefour in the outskirts of my random slavic town has really expensive and fancy wines and other types of alcohol (you can find stuff that costs more than 1k PLN easily), great quality and rare cheeses and local sausages from every euro country
Spending half a day walking from one specialty shop to the other is a great way to spend a free day, not for everyday shopping
And those mini markets posted by @quaawaa are usually much more expensive than a normal store

 

[Yamamura]

There was something that was on my mind for a while I was trying to find the answer to (besides just asking AI and calling it a day). Whenever you bring up an example to an urbanist of a scenario where a car would be favored such as, moving something awkward or cumbersome. They always retort by trying to point out that in a country with less cars they also have those things too. For example if you say you're a drummer and use a truck/van to carry your stuff, they'll say "Oh I guess people in the Netherlands/Japan don't play the drums then". Well in my case I was trying to find a real example of how actual musicians move their equipment. Despite my username hinting otherwise I am complete ass with Japanese so I was translating keywords like "Day in a life, drummer, musician, transporting instrument".

Until I stumbled upon this youtube short titled "演奏会で一番大変なのは楽器運搬！？#吹奏楽 #ドキュメンタリー" Translated: The hardest part of a concert is transporting the instruments!? #windband #documentary


I know this isn't really that interesting of a revelation to us; however I needed to find a real example for myself. No, they are not carrying their instruments on a cargo bike, they are not carrying them on a bus. They are using a private vehicle. That annoying argument they use has always bothered me because they assume people in more urbanized areas own these things, but never want to admit that they move them around the same way we do and the equipment doesn't magically teleport where it's supposed to be.

Maybe as seen in the previous post where r/fuckcars are making all sorts of assumptions about what the Japanese think. They just assumed that the Japanese don't own cars or something? Or they believed that they are as anti-car as themselves.

 

[Anarchocaca]

sports cars are bourgeois consumerist garbage and people who use them are always egotistical jackasses (talking from experience with those people), unless they are actually used for car racing.
Cars are dumb and cities should be designed to allow people to travel without them but r/fuckcars and these anti-car grifters are obsessed losers who take it way to far

 

[dj0449674]

sports cars are bourgeois consumerist garbage and people who use them are always egotistical jackasses (talking from experience with those people), unless they are actually used for car racing.
Cars are dumb and cities should be designed to allow people to travel without them but r/fuckcars and these anti-car grifters are obsessed losers who take it way to far

That's great, but you bike brained urbanists think everyone should live in cities.

The lefts obsession with mass transit has always been control.

People who lived in places dependent on mass transit were completely at the mercy of the government who could reduce or eliminate it on a whim.

People with cars barely even noticed we were in a pandemic.

 

[Anarchocaca]

That's great, but you bike brained urbanists think everyone should livr in cities.

The lefts obsession with mass transit has always been control.

People who lived in places depending on Mas transit were completely at the mercy of the government who could reduce or eliminate it on a whim.

People with cars barely even noticed we were in a pandemic.

meds I don’t think everyone should live in cities and i actually think all cities should be completely remade since they are capitalist hellholes currently. The only thing about cars is that I just think 5 billion cars are unnecessary and hurt the environment when we can easily use free forms of transport for everyone, and cars shouldn’t be abolished they just should be limited in spaces that don’t need them (small cities).

 

[dj0449674]

meds I don’t think everyone should live in cities and i actually think all cities should be completely remade since they are capitalist hellholes currently. The only thing about cars is that I just think 5 billion cars are unnecessary and hurt the environment when we can easily use free forms of transport for everyone, and cars shouldn’t be abolished they just should be limited in spaces that don’t need them (small cities).

I was a D student in high school and this is how you fix things.

 

[Anarchocaca]

I was a D student in high school and this is how you fix things.

do you wanna respond to what I said or do you just devolve into corny insults when you can’t make a argument against something

 

[dj0449674]

do you wanna respond to what I said or do you just devolve into corny insults when you can’t make a argument against something

Respond to what? You're not saying anything.

Cities wouldn't exist without capitalism. They were built to fiance, manufacturer, and distribute. They stop doing these things and they crumble like Detroit.

These days nobody is building factories and distribution warehouses in the city. It's too expensive. They're built in rural areas where land and power are cheap.