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Should be a wild four years.

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To be fair have you seen the types of people that burn the American flag? They don’t burn that flag simply cause it’s American no they burn that flag because to them it’s a symbol of whiteness.
They burn the flag to get their picture on the news burning the flag. That's really all there is to it.
 
I'll not offer my opinion on the matter. I would like to see a citation for this to counterbalance the barrage of citations I see people post when arguing to the contrary. I do like to be fully informed of both sides at the bare minimum.
I don't want to eat up chat with another text wall, so I'll spoiler it for you. I offered to another guy, if you wanna hash it out in DM's or something, I'm cool with that, but by this point it just feels a bit much and a bit too off topic.

It's more a failure to science in this case since I approach this statement from study design and theory-craft. A lot of people missed the rider I added because it's very important. Race Realism as an explanation for society. That race affects intelligence, that is not in dispute. I grant that it does. What would be in dispute is to what degree it does, to what degree this should determine public policy, and to what degree "race realism" as a term gets to consider itself just that race affects intelligence over more than that. I do not grant that last condition based on my prior interactions with race realists at their height around 2016-2018. It's funny someone else brought up climate science, because race realists, at least the ones I've had exposure too, very often do the same thing. Posit "facts," and then use the guise of it to leave the laboratory and get on the political podium without exactly declaring that they're doing so. That calls into question a litany of other things, eventually I just had to conclude the term was corrupt as a result and should be opposed for the same reason a lot of people started opposing Feminism circa 2014 due to their linguistic BS and inseparable ties to Marxism. For context, I've read The Bell Curve before, they properly understood their role in the discussion, and I'm not averse to science "proving" race is real. What I am averse to is that a car full of clown antics seems to always proceed to follow. When you consistently find so many buried leads in people trying to discuss this, eventually you have to start concluding that the issue is not in fact the issue, and there isn't a valid consensus being offered for me to agree to. When that happens, it's a stillborn theory.

I'd highlight 3 things.

1. Operationally defining race is nowhere near as easy as most people claim. I know science does have standards, and studies that do fairly do this exist. The issue's in step two. When it comes time to do anything with those studies and map them to historical data these definitions seem to fly out of the window in favor of trying political shorthand. Scots, Irish, and Scots-Irish ethnicities don't really match with "white" development, Caucasians in the Canary Islands were still found in the Stone Age, and on the other side of the coin there do appear to be high-performing black populations that warrant further scrutiny. There's also other historical questions such as the ancient Britons being niggers relative to the ancient Romans, the split in achievement between East and West Germany over the Cold War, and the study of "middleman minorities" in Thomas Sowell's work, his term, just raises more and more questions about just what exactly is going on that strict adherence to race doesn't seem to answer well at all. This leads to...

2. A lot of race realism, as it gets applied mind you, commits to a false dichotomy between nature or nurture. The science and studies I'm aware of, not all of them contained in the bubble of capture plus some that are far enough removed from it to where it's not a concern that automatically disqualifies them, conclude that we have a dearth of information on the topic. We do not know to what degree nature and nurture feed into someone's ultimate achievement at the end of the day, and there's a distinct possibility we might have a percentage that ends above 100% for what feeds in, representing places where explicitly nature and nurture need to be present to get that outcome. If anything, this discussion made me consider that there might be a third thing in all this that should be identified separately from nature and nurture representing the culture any given person is raised under. Given this is psychology at the end of the day as we'd need to see the realization of the genetics to get a sample with, it lines up with the proper general standards of psychology to be very uncertain, namely that it's a soft science, humans make for terrible research subjects, and margins of error are going to be high as a necessity. Running controlled for experiments is also going to be quite impossible without a lot of ethics questions that get raised (As in, "So at what point are we torturing people?" grade ethics questions, not the namby-pamby ones.) further degrades the overall quality of experimentation. So the certainty with which a lot of race realists parade around the science is a major red flag that crucial steps were not done in getting to their end conclusions. As before, the tendency to have buried leads has forced me to not consider race realism just a scientific endeavor concerned with genetics over something cross disciplinary that fails to properly follow the rules of all the disciplines at best or a political land-grab in waiting at worst. There's always a shoe waiting to drop it seems, no one points this out so we get better at trivia night, and that means I need to keep my guard up as a rule.

3. While I am sympathetic to the notion that science is captured, I'm a freakin' MRA and never stopped calling myself one, that doesn't justify trying to make another captured castle. Given the tendency for race realism to stray from strict genetic science, I do think it discounts nurture/culture by falling into the same frame trap that the current capture forces and engages in more team-sports mentality than is justified. Feminist capture of academia sucks, but trying to say an equally comical hate of woman needs supporting is also pretty stupid, which makes progressive Islam all the more a cosmic jest that the diametrically opposed idiots have decided to try fusing. Geographical determinism as a theory is also something intimately hostile to the current crop of scientists as it disproves the neo-lib "magic soil" argument they want to use to import migrants like crazy. Integration is possible, but thanks to geographical factors, some random Paki is not going to be coming in with remotely near the understandings of modern society and trying to cram people in also contributes to negative geographic factors. I've also found it comports more to group changes over time and can apply a finer toothed comb than genetics could. I bring up the Scots-Irish for good reason, if you roll back to the 1800's, they were considered nigger-grade, if not lower, and had reputations on par with the young scholars of today. Yet if you say that nowadays, you'd have to be a so-anti-racist-I'm-racist shitlib hating on whitey just to hate on whitey, not anyone trying to appeal to "science" like they did back then. The fact alternate hypotheses to the alternate hypothesis exist with valid explanatory power means a lot of people trotting out that it's successfully won are setting themselves up to fail. Furthermore, this is honestly why I don't care about a battery of citations. The issue isn't the height of the paper stack but that it wasn't filed correctly. Knowing what to count in this instance means needing to answer the observations from economics and history that indicate race is not destiny and addressing the limitations of inquiry from psychology first. I never saw anyone doing that.

The TL;DR of it is that I just see way to many parallels to the same paradigm of shitlibbery and the same worshipping of the science, just with a punk rock flair of being "controversial," in their camp as I do in wider scientific practice. The 2016-2018 era poisoned the idea quite thoroughly since, whatever the scientific merits, none of them wanted to really stay at the science over trying to go beyond it, for all the genetic qualifications, none of them seemed to have any good grounding in the broader operations of psychology or sociology, and when a scientist starts doing political advocacy, that just tells me we should start treating the science like we treat any other policy position. At this point, it's a morass worth denigration and even if I was a hardcore genetics-are-destiny racist, I wouldn't dare identify with the term just because it's a clown show whether it was merited or not. With that said...

They're right that genetics is a noteworthy factor at the very least.

They're right that the scientific community should be more open to talking about it.

They're right that the shitlib dynamic doesn't work and is stifling matters.

And they're right that someone should start trying to answer some of the questions they raise.

The issue is that they're just not the only ones calling this out and not the only ones bringing arguments to the table. Yet in my online escapades, I constantly saw them trying to foist themselves as the one-true-answer to it all despite the fact they weren't. So I started asking myself, "Whose race realism is it anyways?" I did not get a coherent answer back, and that's pretty much when I concluded that the theory's been debunked as there's not really a theory to debunk over a great many ready to get used in a Gish Gallop.
 
I'd say mid-00s. If you were a poweruser in the 2000s, you needed to know how to use a computer in addition to how to navigate a rapidly evolving webscape.
I have fond memories of being a little tot with an Apple 2 in my closet. I'm not super old, we were just poor. And then we got our first Win98, and the things I had to do to that computer just to get a game that had no business running on such a piece of bottom barrel hardware made me into the (horrible but effective) computer user I am today.
 
Well isn't this protected by the 1st amendment?
As others have pointed out, the EO is tailored to attempt to avoid the holding of Texas v. Johnson. It will likely be challenged in court all the same, but this is not on its face a First Amendment violation.

Dialecticbio made an interesting tweet regarding Cremieux

Who is this unironic commie and why should I care what he thinks about some literal who?
 
Don't talk to me unless you built PCs before Plug 'n play. You're not a real man unless you've tried to install memory, booted your computer to a completely black screen and had to count beeps and look them up in the motherboard manual to see which manually assigned IRQ you selected is fucking everything up so you could pull everything back out just to be able to boot to the CMOS and try selecting a new IRQ, putting everything back in, and trying again.

And this is coming from someone who's old enough to have followed PETSCII schematics to both solder a second SID chip into my C64 to get 6 voices, and have soldered together a homemade video cable for my C128 to be able to get 80 characters without buying a new monitor.

Those were rough days.

I was hot shit in the 80s because I had a C64 BBS that had both a dedicated phone line so that meant the BBS was actually 24 hours (a rarity since most BBSes went offline around the time everyone got home from work and needed the phone), a 1200 baud modem, and I had TWO hard drives! A 1541 and later added a 1571 just so people could log in one person at a time and input their move in the online D&D adventure game that took place on my BBS lol. It took weeks just to get out of a room. Talk about needing a long attention span and patience.

I will say this as a Gen X'er that we earned our stripes. Back when you had to actually know about computers if you wanted to do anything with them. Like I said, rough days.
While it's nice to puff out my chest and say I was there, I will also say that Plug 'n Play was a godsend. As well as USB. This is coming from someone who completely fried the printer port on my PC because I plugged in a printer and forgot to turn it off first.

/computer nostalgia
 
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I have fond memories of being a little tot with an Apple 2 in my closet. I'm not super old, we were just poor. And then we got our first Win98, and the things I had to do to that computer just to get a game that had no business running on such a piece of bottom barrel hardware made me into the (horrible but effective) computer user I am today.
I think that's what made mid-2000s power users so proficient. Chances are you already had prior experience with computers, and because computers evolved so rapidly in the previous decade, your experience spanned a much broader range of technology. In 1995, you're writing a CONFIG.SYS to configure your sound card in DOS, and by 2005, you're tiptoeing around drive-by browser exploits on shady pirate sites and fake Download buttons for WinZIP in IE 6.
 
I think that's what made mid-2000s power users so proficient. Chances are you already had prior experience with computers, and because computers evolved so rapidly in the previous decade, your experience spanned a much broader range of technology. In 1995, you're writing a CONFIG.SYS to configure your sound card in DOS, and by 2005, you're tiptoeing around drive-by browser exploits on shady pirate sites and fake Download buttons for WinZIP in IE 6.
We learned how to use a computer, not just how to do certain tasks in Windows. It is such a huge difference that we might as well be speaking another language to anyone who got their first exposure to computers in the internet age.
 
Port: 220H
IRQ: 5
DMA: 1

C:/games/duke3d/duke3d.exe
Look at the rich kid with a Soundblaster! Good luck getting a modem to work without changing jumpers. I put a 2600bd modem in my first 286 and it's IRQ conflicted with the mouse so would only rx/tx when the mouse was moving. The first jpg I ever downloaded was a weather sat image that weighed in at like 300kb and I remember having to move the mouse in circles for like 45 mins.

Don't even get me started on master/slave settings on hard drives from different mfgrs.
 
Look at the rich kid with a Soundblaster! Good luck getting a modem to work without changing jumpers. I put a 2600bd modem in my first 286 and it's IRQ conflicted with the mouse so would only rx/tx when the mouse was moving. The first jpg I ever downloaded was a weather sat image that weighed in at like 300kb and I remember having to move the mouse in circles for like 45 mins.
I could only afford a PC in 98 when they were common. And I got my ass beaten to a pulp when I rang up dial up with my 33.6kbps serial modem for 30 minutes. Amiga was superior because it all just worked (save for the kickstart disks)

Don't even get me started on master/slave settings on hard drives from different mfgrs.
I've fucked up 3 drives from plugging in the damn IDE cable the other way around which would kill the UDMA pin. Took me ~2 years to figure wtf were my drives so slow and to solder on a new pin. I do not miss IDE one bit, SATA was a blessing
 
From Entertainment Weekly: "Snoop Dogg criticizes LGBTQ+ representation in children's films: 'They're putting it everywhere'"

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Snoop Dogg says he's "scared to go to the movies" due to what he perceives to be an increase in LGBTQ+ representation in children's films.

"What you see is what you see, and they're putting it everywhere," he said on a recent episode of the It's Giving podcast.

The rapper and pop culture personality described taking his grandson to see 2022's Lightyear, and being shocked to discover that one of the animated film's protagonists has two mothers.

"They're like, 'She had a baby — with another woman.' Well, my grandson, in the middle of the movie is like, 'Papa Snoop? How she have a baby with a woman? She's a woman!'"

Snoop recalled thinking, "'Oh sh--, I didn't come in for this sh--. I just came to watch the goddamn movie.'"

But his grandson pressed on, asking, "'They just said, she and she had a baby — they're both women. How does she have a baby?'"

The rapper reflected that the experience "f----- me up. I'm like, scared to go to the movies. Y'all throwing me in the middle of s--- that I don't have an answer for."

"It threw me for a loop. I'm like, 'What part of the movie was this?" Snoop continued.

The "Gin and Juice" rapper and The Voice coach elaborated on his reluctance toward LGBTQ+ representation in films like Lightyear, saying, "These are kids. We have to show that at this age? They're going to ask questions. I don't have the answer."

Entertainment Weekly has reached out to a representative for Snoop for comment.

Lightyear tells the origin story of the famed spaceman figurine from the Toy Story franchise, voiced by Chris Evans. Buzz Lightyear's best friend and co-officer in the film, Alisha Hawthorne (voiced by Uzo Aduba), becomes stranded on an alien planet with several other members of their crew, where she's seen in one montage marrying and raising a child with her partner Kiko.

The montage drew controversy before the film was even released for marking not just Disney's first prominent LGBTQ+ character, but depicting its first same-sex kiss. The kiss was almost axed from the film's theatrical cut, but a mass uprising of employees at the House of Mouse's animation subsidiary, Pixar, worked to reinstate the shot.

The comments by the 53-year-old rapper, born Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr., have led to calls for him to be replaced as the headline entertainer at the upcoming Australian Football League's Grand Final. The rapper has previously been criticized for homophobic and transphobic remarks, such as calling Caitlyn Jenner a "science project," and using an anti-gay epithet in a 2014 Instagram caption.
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