💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Hum Humina]

You're not hurting anyone directly by doing it and could make someone's day, even if you have your disagreements

First, in real life, I do if I have to and can't find a workaround, but it does directly hurt me, which you appear to think is acceptable damage when dealing with people of trans. I, on the other hand, do not think harming myself emotionally is a great idea. I have too many crazy people in my family whose perceptions of reality are genuinely not rooted in reality (literally crazy, and that's an understatement) to subject myself to the reality distortion field on a voluntary basis if I can avoid it.

Also, we got into this mess because of be kind thinking reenforcing it through blind affirmation, (especially when it comes to kids). When it was gatekept and a rare last resort, that was one thing. I can still grudgingly see it as palliative care for intractable cases, maybe. Emphasis on the maybe.

I have known more trans umbrella people than most people, as someone who spent half her adult life enmeshed in before I hit peak and still has to deal with it in real life. My trans friends who were from the gatekeeping before times are much happier and more adjusted than those from the anything goes era.

Sure, the anything goes ones claim to be happy, but it's painfully obvious that they've just latched on to another maladaptive coping mechanism and are being enabled by the medical and mental health community instead of actually working on their shit. Especially the female ones.

Not just the young ones; there may be a hell of a lot more girls and very young women doing it, but in geek communities where the 'tism is disproportionate, it's become a midlife crisis thing. One day, someone you know well enough to know it is as sudden as it seems gets the notion she's a dude or an enby, next thing you know, it's sad beard, bald head, frog voice, and zipper tits time, all with a side of health issues.

Dysphoria has lost all meaning at this point. What they describe isn't what would have been diagnosed as it even fifteen years ago, but their doctors are handing out hormones and scheduling breast chops. And yes, cross-sex hormones do make a lot of people feel happy, but so does cocaine.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

We got a lot of groomed tumblr kids put into early retirement here, as in you'll hear about it constantly, and you can tell them apart from those who regretfully find themselves in the same position. Those who go "not having to work for the rest of my life and being paid only the bare minimum to rent and eat? That sucks", while these alphabet nutjobs instead celebrate it. It's up there with getting approved for HRT, having your tits cut, and then not ever having to work again.

If troonydom was to be respected, they'd need to show regret and be negatively impacted by it. Instead, they celebrate and try to spread it. Imagine if your leg falling off was a contagious disease and people proudly spread it because "one-leggy lives matters" or some shit. Though ironically, being a troon and killing yourself is more lethal than any physical handicap

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I also disagree with other posts here, I do think trans people improve emotionally from transitioning at least from what my trans friends have told me

And Scientologists will tell you that they’re happier and more effective than ever before.

As opposed to letting them live on with untreatable gender dysphoria?!

But transitioning cannot possibly alleviate that dysphoria. It is simply not possible to change sex. Sex markers exist down to the cellular level. At best, you can, by artificial means that require lifelong upkeep, make your body appear like that of the opposite sex. Most, at least among MtFs, are not that fortunate. They will always be viewed as something separate from real women.

Putting that aside, these people have been socialised as their birth sex. We see this in the violent, pornsick MtFs and the essay-writing constantly-crying FtMs. Even fully-transitioned people behave as, at best, a caricature of their “true gender.” So their inner selves clearly aren’t innately the sex they want to become.

So what does transitioning treat? What is it that is the opposite sex? If it’s not the body, the brain or the personality, we must conclude that the belief one is the opposite gender is a delusion. Indulging such a delusion can only bring further misery, particularly when it sets one down an irreversible path. And indeed, the Tranny L’s thread is full of regrets.

I’d also question the suggestion that dysphoria is otherwise untreatable, but I’ve already written a lot.

 

[Baraadmirer]

They aren't trying to dominate you, they just want to live their lives. Making them out to be a threat helps no one but your paranoid delusions

Emphasis mine; this is, unfortunately, a common screed from the trans community. Whenever someone "lives their life", they assert their presence on the world, and at some point that encroaches on other people's boundaries. Most of the time these intrusions are of little consequence (like asking someone to step out of the way or work-related issues) and other people will shrug those off. However, when it's a violation of someone's core values (especially when someone gets sanctioned at a legal level for their views that "hurt" someone at an emotional level), they're not going to let that go lightly. I'll point out here that living one's life and being a threat are not mutually exclusive; consider this from a fascist standpoint: adherents of the Nazi regime wanted to live their lives free from misfortune that was supposedly caused by other ethnicities, but that didn't make them not a threat for systematically carrying out genocide.

In the interest of levelling the playing field for trans people, progressive governments have overcorrected by giving them accommodations that are definitely special privileges. There will always be sociopaths people who will try and find ways to assert dominance over other people, and assuming the identity of a trendy "oppressed" class is a convenient way to do so: they can step on others from behind their identity shield. I don't know how old you are, but back in the early 2000s, there was an uptick in young adults identifying as homosexuals (or in the case of some college-aged women, "bisexuals") who were never seen romantically fraternising with their sex. This type of person is virtually nonexistent now because transgenderism is the current "it" thing, and the tucutes proclaiming "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" sometime in 2016-2017 made things worse; they made it easy for anyone to become part of a group for invisible identities that are "oppressed"; there's a reason why transrace and transage didn't take off.

Representatives of the trans community don't need to be made out as threats when there are documented instances of them or their sanctity being dangerous problems. The Loudoun County incidents were where a male student wearing a skirt sexually assaulted female students in a school bathroom ( Article | Archive ); the damning thing about this case is that the assailant was transferred to another school where he ended up assaulting another female student, and administrators there effectively turned a blind eye. This is to say nothing of how one of the victims' fathers was arrested for "disrupting a school board meeting" before eventually being pardoned ( Article | Archive ).

Or consider the case of Payton McNabb, who now suffers long-term injuries after being spiked in the face by a ball:

Spoiler: Recorded incident

Spoiler: McNabb's testimony

I do think trans people improve emotionally from transitioning at least from what my trans friends have told me

If we're going by anecdotes, that's a hard disagree from me. I live in a progressive, trans-friendly part of the world where gender ideology is highly prevalent, and I had a trans friend a few years back who was rather far in her transition when I first met her. If her temperament then was considered an improvement, I shudder to think what it was like beforehand. It didn't help that she struggled with suicidal ideation before and after enabling her to get bottom surgery (and yes, I was one of those enablers). She worked in an inclusive coffee shop, but that didn't stop her from killing herself.

As opposed to letting them live on with untreatable gender dysphoria?!

If something is untreatable, the afflicted need to learn how to deal with it on their own; people aren't always going to be accommodating, nor should there be an expectation that they always are.

 

[Thursday]

I find it fascinating how subtly trans people have certain stereotypes. For example, ftms are always seen as much less threatening than cis men within the friend groups I'm in. I would say that it might be because women are stereotypically seen as that, but I'm not sure.

You know, the fact that you're framing women being seen as less threatening as a "stereotype" specifically shows just how much this ideology has warped your view of reality.

 

[Scientifically Inaccurate]

The moron in the legislation thread who tried to get herself declared a Scottish lord got me wondering: what about kilts?

Scotts are stereotypically pretty manly, but their most well known cultural clothing is essentially a skirt that guys wear. Sane people don't care, but how do trans people handle this, since wearing skirts makes you a woman and men can't wear them because dysphoria?

What if you're an American heckin' manly dude king bro who wants to assert your manliness by getting in touch with your Scottish heritage, but when you show up to the log tossing competition everyone is wearing a skirt that goes spinny? Does their dysphoria account for cultural differences and self correct to understand this is a manly skirt for men?

What about the dainty, wide shouldered, very tall, penis-having Scottish lasses? Can they ease their dysphoria with a kilt without coming out? Or does the association with men make it not help?

Do any of them ever short circuit and come to the realization that what makes something associated with men or women is largely culture and their backwards hat and high heels actually don't mean anything?

 

[The Morning Visitor]

The destruction of definitions is purposeful and is oriented toward normalizing fucking children. How can a society logically affirm a child as mature enough to dictate whether they're a boy or girl, but put their foot down on whether that child can have an adult partner? It can't.

I would expand and say it's oriented to normalizing the idea of childhood consent, which childfucking falls under but isn't the sole factor. To their credit, I don't think most gender goblins want to fuck kids or make it easier for other people to fuck kids, but every single one of them that believes in "transgender youth" and pushes for GAC for minors are normalizing the idea that minors have the capacity to make these kinds of decisions. They don't.

And the trans rights activists will dial it back, because of course we shouldn't be cutting off kids' genitals and breasts, but maybe hormonal therapy to help give the child the puberty they want? Oh wait, that's still permanent. How about puberty blockers to at least prevent the unwanted puberty until the minor is of-age? We can take them off the blockers if they change their mind! (Puberty blockers still have lasting effects. It's chemical castration during your formative years.)

And then it falls back to social transitioning, which is the initial stepping stone. Crossdressing, new name, new pronouns, voice training, etc. It's definitely the least "permanent" step in transitioning because it's simply a change in the behavior of the individual and their family/friends and could be reverted at any time, no medical intervention necessary, but it's also the most public part of transitioning and serves as an anchor. It is extremely difficult for anyone to admit that their whole worldview is wrong, and they're definitely not going to back out when everyone's being so supportive. All of this is a tiptoe to a future where kids can consent and are trusted to know what's best for themselves, and the reason we were headed down that path is because a few apes in dresses are upset about having to actually grow up before they were trusted with the decision to cut their testosterone factories off.

 

[Twix Eatr]

I would expand and say it's oriented to normalizing the idea of childhood consent, which childfucking falls under but isn't the sole factor.

Agreed. It's oriented toward loosening the constraints placed on children that queer theorists believe are abusive and limiting. One of the groups that my state uses for their "sex ed" curriculum mentions this on their site; they describe infants as being sexual beings. It's unreal. I looked up some of the academic papers they link on their site and they're written by pedophiles in the the Czech Republic or some dump. It's unreal seeing this shit happening.

Is this not clearly grooming little children to believe they're little adults who should be treated the same? "Don't forget to vote for policies that let us rape you later!"

More programming to do away with the definitions that serve to safeguard these children. The activities for "young people over 10" are talking about sex and pleasure and being groomed into gay shit.

These are framed as teaching children about consent, something healthy. But if you notice, they never say, "adults should never touch you, ever" or that "you're a child so you can never consent to sex." But of course not, the entire point is grooming these kids. "Nobody should touch you when you don't want them to" is pedophile speak for, "so it's okay if you want me to."


More of the same about intimate sexual relationships being okay as long as the kid is okay with it. This time with a bit of "commercial sex work" sprinkled in.

So don't be rude when the gay men with AIDS rape you, little boy.

It's not even "parents," but "adults."

Trust us: kids want to fuck!

Man, I fucking hate these cocksuckers. And this is happening on such a massive scale. wtf can we do?

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Man, I fucking hate these cocksuckers. And this is happening on such a massive scale. wtf can we do?

Reading this stuff makes me go from "live and let live" to "TFD" pretty quickly. You're spot on with analyzing the pedophile-coding in the lessons about consent. We shouldn't be teaching children that it's bad to be intimate with someone "if they're not okay with it", we should be teaching them that they shouldn't be intimate with anyone due to their age, and to report all inappropriate intimacy to their parents and the cops.

Teaching children that they are citizens with constitutional rights is a really bad idea. While it may be correct under current definitions of citizenship, empowering children is how you get situations like that Twilight Zone episode where the little boy could will people to a horrible cornfield, or the South Park episode where all the kids kept falsely claiming to the authorities that their parents were "molestering" them. I suggest we instead (quietly) establish the difference between a civilian and a citizen, that respects childrens' right to life and pursuit of happiness, but codifies a lack of liberty until adulthood or emancipation.

HIV activism is disgusting. It was nice seeing if they could stop the spread and just be normal for once; unfortunately they couldn't. Short of putting everyone HIV+ in a camp and letting the problem solve itself (I'm not that far gone), we should at least say "fuck your dignity" and brand them.

 

[Paper Machete]

We shouldn't be teaching children that it's bad to be intimate with someone "if they're not okay with it", we should be teaching them that they shouldn't be intimate with anyone due to their age, and to report all inappropriate intimacy to their parents and the cops.

Part of grooming is getting a kid to think they are or should be "okay with it" so that metric for whether or not what is happening is a sex crime is retarded and just helps pedos instead of teaches kids anything useful because the very education and safety standards they're being taught by other adults/authority figures actively reinforces individual predators own narratives ("it's okay because we like each other", "these acts are okay", "it's fine because [insert kink here] isn't inherently sexual", etc.)

It's really difficult wrapping my head around how anyone can be such a useful idiot for this nonsense but I've been coming to terms with the fact most all "normies" are frighteningly naive and gullible.

 

[Cooked Rabbit]

I think there will be more of a push to legalize libertarianism. Laws and mores against it have become rooted in a shaky model of "consent" that doesn't actually make sense. In the normal sense of the word, children can obviously consent to sex. The fact that they consent doesn't mean it's OK to fuck them, and the fact that it's not OK to fuck them doesn't mean they can't actually consent. The problem is that because of the sexual revolution, there's no frame of reference for sexual morality that isn't rooted in "consent," so if you're anti-child-fucking you have to frame the matter as an issue of the child's "consent" even though that doesn't make sense and is clearly wrong.

It's already the logic used for trans-ing out children. Children can obviously consent to castration, fucking up their puberty, chopping off their tits, drinking hormone blends that do God knows what to them, social ostracization, and all sorts of things that are objectively terrible for them (if anything, it's much easier to make a child consent to things like this than an adult with experience and a more developed mind). So "what kind of monster would you be if you denied their autonomy to ruin their own lives?" is the cry, and it seems to be fairly effective, somehow.

 

[bouquetnine]

Laws and mores against it have become rooted in a shaky model of "consent" that doesn't actually make sense.

I'm not convinced that most adults can consent. Scam victims willingly agreed to give up money. They consented so it wasn't a crime, right? Likewise even adults can be groomed into thinking they're trains and that chopping off their dick will somehow make everything better.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Likewise even adults can be groomed into thinking they're trains

I can’t believe Thomas the Tank Engine got groomed.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

Both sides of the debate should nut up or shut up. I'd wager that if male-brain scans and female-brain scans are real, and there is an actual neurological marker for someone feeling trapped in the wrong body that would feel relief from cross sex hormones and genital butchery, it should be covered as an extension of mental health care and available to any age that can give a positive-flagged brain scan.

Actually, no. "Both sides" do not start on equal footing, so "both sides" do not need to make a case.

It is the trans ideologists who need to establish that:
*Gender identity is real and that someone whose body is clearly male can have an inner 'female' brain; and
*When there is a 'mismatch' between body and brain (which I don't believe anyway but going with the scenario), that the best and only treatment is to change the body to match the brain instead of changing the brain to match the body; and
*Society owes this to trans-identified people and society should change its use of sex-based language and sex-based policies which arose because of sex-based differences, which of course is a wholesale re-engineering of society.

I do think it's dumb to not address trans people by their preferred pronouns. Yes, even down to Chris-Chan, if I met her IRL I would.
You're not hurting anyone directly by doing it and could make someone's day, even if you have your disagreements

It's not 'dumb', it hurts people directly, including the person compelled to pretend for fear of social, financial and legal ruination.

Misgendering someone is a form of harassment, regardless of what you might think about it

'Misgendering' is an imagined crime, manufactured from whole cloth by trans ideologists.

'Harassment' is being compelled by the State to utter things you do not believe in order not to be punished.

What about the dainty, wide shouldered, very tall, penis-having Scottish lasses? Can they ease their dysphoria with a kilt without coming out? Or does the association with men make it not help?

In recent decades more and more women in Scotland wear kilt, or kilt-like analogues in Scotland.

Even though in my mind it is strongly associated with males, I would think the free-swinging penis and balls might detract from the skirt-go-spinny experience. But I'm neither trans nor Scottish so who knows?

 

[Oggdo Bogdo]

If we're going by anecdotes, that's a hard disagree from me. I live in a progressive, trans-friendly part of the world where gender ideology is highly prevalent, and I had a trans friend a few years back who was rather far in her transition when I first met her. If her temperament then was considered an improvement, I shudder to think what it was like beforehand. It didn't help that she struggled with suicidal ideation before and after enabling her to get bottom surgery (and yes, I was one of those enablers). She worked in an inclusive coffee shop, but that didn't stop her from killing herself.

To add onto my good man's personal experience, take it from someone who still considers themselves to have Gender Dysphoria: feeding it, once I saw past everyone's lies and enabling, just made me more miserable. The words and smiles are comforting but the eyes don't lie. I'm short and effeminate but that doesn't automatically make me a woman, my voice, skeletal structure and mannerisms (as flamboyant as they are) all out me as what I actually am, no matter how badly I wanted to pretend otherwise.

It's something that needs to be suppressed and treated with therapy rather than enabled with this "gender affirming care" bullshit, all I've seen it do is destroy people's lives, men leaving their families to live in a delusion, friendships ruined over their language being policed constantly, people killing themselves in regret, perverts invading women's private spaces, etc. There was only so much I could watch before I snapped and reversed course before it eventually killed me.

 

[Comp0site Specter]

Anyone have any tips on how to build/maintain communities to keep some of these crazies, basically every mainstream nerd hobby channel has been tainted at this point.

 

[Twix Eatr]

It's really difficult wrapping my head around how anyone can be such a useful idiot for this nonsense but I've been coming to terms with the fact most all "normies" are frighteningly naive and gullible.

This is where I'm at. It started with the Rittenhouse case for me, realizing everyone around me is either dumber than I thought or complete intellectual cowards.

Anyone have any tips on how to build/maintain communities to keep some of these crazies, basically every mainstream nerd hobby channel has been tainted at this point.

Speak out publicly to make people aware of what's happening. We have to fight back by reclaiming our right to state reality.

 

[Volcanic Viper]

Anyone have any tips on how to build/maintain communities to keep some of these crazies, basically every mainstream nerd hobby channel has been tainted at this point.

Truthfully, I think the only way is to be aggressively transphobic and/or homophobic. You have to let the trannies know immediately they will not be tolerated, otherwise, they will try to weasel their way in and kick out any dissenters.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Are their certain hobbies that are more favored by one gender that don't really change when someone troons out?

I don't seem to see that many troons in car community, or at least I haven't dived deep enough to find them. Aside from people that view cars as just appliances, the preferences with them tend to depend on gender, i.e. men liking fast and sporty cars, while women like luxury cars and luxury SUVs. Also with cars, the lack of (?) interest on them by troons is probably because of their lifestyle aspects:

• Troons are poor with money, so they can't afford to buy or maintain one.
• They seem to be more fascinated with public transportation, one of the reasons being the said above inability to afford a car.
• They tend to live in more bughive residential areas, so either they don't "need" one because of things being in walking distance, the said above fascinations with public transportation, or there's lack of parking so getting a car would be a hassle.
• Troons tend to not go out that often, which would make them choose to not get a car because they don't need it.
• Would trooning out also cause complications with getting car insurance, since gender (I think) is one factor that determines how much your premium will cost.

I also don't seem to notice troons having a different taste in cars once they troon out, i.e. a guy that likes American muscle cars changing their interest to German luxury SUVs after trooning out.

Also, in the rare case of troons that do still have interest in cars, what would they be most likely to drive? Nissans, Mitsubishis, Hyundais, and Kias come to mind because they're the cheaper brands, and they would seem to be more attracted to EVs than other people.

 

[Comp0site Specter]

Are their certain hobbies that are more favored by one gender that don't really change when someone troons out?

I don't seem to see that many troons in car community, or at least I haven't dived deep enough to find them. Aside from people that view cars as just appliances, the preferences with them tend to depend on gender, i.e. men liking fast and sporty cars, while women like luxury cars and luxury SUVs. Also with cars, the lack of (?) interest on them by troons is probably because of their lifestyle aspects:

• Troons are poor with money, so they can't afford to buy or maintain one.
• They seem to be more fascinated with public transportation, one of the reasons being the said above inability to afford a car.
• They tend to live in more bughive residential areas, so either they don't "need" one because of things being in walking distance, the said above fascinations with public transportation, or there's lack of parking so getting a car would be a hassle.
• Troons tend to not go out that often, which would make them choose to not get a car because they don't need it.
• Would trooning out also cause complications with getting car insurance, since gender (I think) is one factor that determines how much your premium will cost.

I also don't seem to notice troons having a different taste in cars once they troon out, i.e. a guy that likes American muscle cars changing their interest to German luxury SUVs after trooning out.

Also, in the rare case of troons that do still have interest in cars, what would they be most likely to drive? Nissans, Mitsubishis, Hyundais, and Kias come to mind because they're the cheaper brands, and they would seem to be more attracted to EVs than other people.

Gearheads do have their fair share of male autists, but its so masculine of a hobby that it scares the troons off from getting into it.