💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Wallace]

You know what would be the funniest thing in this current year clown world climate? The government having a press conference and reading off all the hidden things in gender medicine.

The troons would likely say that those side effects only happen to male brains, and they clearly have female brains. Checkmate, incel Nazi chuds!

 

[Not A Bunny]

The troons would likely say that those side effects only happen to male brains, and they clearly have female brains. Checkmate, incel Nazi chuds!

Yeah, on this, as far.as I'm concerned, from now on, I want to see with my own eyes that precious brain scan that proves trans people are different. Otherwise, you're in drag and have no legal standing for being trans.

Oh, what's that you say, it's an invasion of privacy?

Well so was asking to see my vaccine card, fucknuts. If you don't like invasive measures, best not ever be on the side of them.

 

[Oggdo Bogdo]

The hormones do plenty of irreversible damage themselves, especially to the brain.

Thanks for this man, I’ll add actual brainrot to the list of crimes the medical industry has committed.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Yeah, on this, as far.as I'm concerned, from now on, I want to see with my own eyes that precious brain scan that proves trans people are different. Otherwise, you're in drag and have no legal standing for being trans.

This had been the correct path for progress and trannies were terrified of it becoming policy. They will claim (but never link definitive proof) about brain scans showing that transwomen brains have pathways and patterns that closer resemble a "cis" woman's brain rather than a man's brain, as some sort of evidence that transitioning isn't a choice. They then would fight tooth and nail to prevent brain scans from becoming the gold standard to gatekeep genital mutilation and hormonal neutering from any Tom, Dick or Jane. I can only assume that this attitude is out of fear that they themselves would be discovered to not be "true trans" (and thus gatekept out of gender affirming care), but hidden under an insincere veneer that postures concerns about suicidal kids and individual privacy.

Both sides of the debate should nut up or shut up. I'd wager that if male-brain scans and female-brain scans are real, and there is an actual neurological marker for someone feeling trapped in the wrong body that would feel relief from cross sex hormones and genital butchery, it should be covered as an extension of mental health care and available to any age that can give a positive-flagged brain scan.

I am that confident that the "male brain female brain" talk is a load of horseshit, intended to take all accountability and scrutiny away from people that are trendchasing/coomchasing/seeking cosmetic care. Also known as, "making a choice (that ruins every life around them)".

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

This had been the correct path for progress and trannies were terrified of it becoming policy. They will claim (but never link definitive proof) about brain scans showing that transwomen brains have pathways and patterns that closer resemble a "cis" woman's brain rather than a man's brain, as some sort of evidence that transitioning isn't a choice. They then would fight tooth and nail to prevent brain scans from becoming the gold standard to gatekeep genital mutilation and hormonal neutering from any Tom, Dick or Jane. I can only assume that this attitude is out of fear that they themselves would be discovered to not be "true trans" (and thus gatekept out of gender affirming care), but hidden under an insincere veneer that postures concerns about suicidal kids and individual privacy.

Both sides of the debate should nut up or shut up. I'd wager that if male-brain scans and female-brain scans are real, and there is an actual neurological marker for someone feeling trapped in the wrong body that would feel relief from cross sex hormones and genital butchery, it should be covered as an extension of mental health care and available to any age that can give a positive-flagged brain scan.

I am that confident that the "male brain female brain" talk is a load of horseshit, intended to take all accountability and scrutiny away from people that are trendchasing/coomchasing/seeking cosmetic care. Also known as, "making a choice (that ruins every life around them)".

You know what's even funnier with them avoiding this? We can tell someone is a gay/lesbian from a brain scan, so we know that we can prove homosexual people from a brain scan. I'd imagine they are avoiding it because it would show them to be typical of their sex just clinically brain damaged.

 

[Paper Machete]

Brain scans don't really show anything inherent, though. Because it's plastic and malleable to a point. It shows what it has been damaged by and trained to do from my understanding. The scans they did of trannies were on hormones and they said they had overlap with homo of the sexuals (because apparently there's also been studies doing that) IIRC and really this could be taken to mean any variation of things:
- that trannies are homosexuals
- that being into crossdressing is tied to sexuality
- that same sex attraction has something to do with what your hormones are doing
- that being a homosexual is like the brain damage caused by hormone use (since it creates poorer performance and brain fog etc. and that's what's showing up on the scans)
- perhaps the trannies and gays they happened to scan were into party drugs and that's why their scans are like that
- that homosexuals and trannies are more like women
- all of the above
- your laydee soul shapes your brain meat
- women are retarded and that's why their brains are different
- men are retarded and that's why their brains are different

I'm no brain scientist but it seems what the scans are show symptomatic stuff not causal since the structure and activity of the brain is very dependent on what you use it for and what it's been exposed to (drugs causing brain damage famously). But a lot of this shit is just random data with no as of yet real use IMO. You can write any story you want surrounding it because it's all so up in the air and there is a shit load we don't understand about brains still. A lot of what we make sound scientific are really just philosophical arguments. There was a researcher that went over things and basically said the results aren't conclusive. If not the original studies themselves. But how information is presented to lay people can be used in really weaselly ways because they don't read the actual studies and don't know how to parse them.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

The scans they did of trannies were on hormones

I forgot about that factor. I knew I'd been linked to some studies, I knew they were not applicable/accurate and I had forgotten why.

That's why. They're not screening out people that have already been on cross sex hormones, they're showing that a male brain steeped in a stew of estrogen for 5+ years starts thinking more femininely. Before insurance covers these procedures or allows the more vulnerable people in our society to undergo them (invalids and children/teens), I want a solid neurological marker to show that the natal, unmedicated brain is more typical of the opposite sex, then use that proof for each individual patient seeking to have this covered by insurance or to do this before they're at a normal age of consent. Brain scan shows a brain that's typical of the patient's sex? Wait till you're 18 (and wait till you're declared mentally competent, for adult autists) and pay out of pocket.

 

[bouquetnine]

Yeah, on this, as far.as I'm concerned, from now on, I want to see with my own eyes that precious brain scan that proves trans people are different. Otherwise, you're in drag and have no legal standing for being trans.

Oh, what's that you say, it's an invasion of privacy?

Well so was asking to see my vaccine card, fucknuts. If you don't like invasive measures, best not ever be on the side of them.

It's the same brain scan that will reveal them to be narcissists.

 

[Sloppa]

Brain scans don't really show anything inherent, though. Because it's plastic and malleable to a point. It shows what it has been damaged by and trained to do from my understanding. The scans they did of trannies were on hormones and they said they had overlap with homo of the sexuals (because apparently there's also been studies doing that) IIRC and really this could be taken to mean any variation of things:
- that trannies are homosexuals
- that being into crossdressing is tied to sexuality
- that same sex attraction has something to do with what your hormones are doing
- that being a homosexual is like the brain damage caused by hormone use (since it creates poorer performance and brain fog etc. and that's what's showing up on the scans)
- perhaps the trannies and gays they happened to scan were into party drugs and that's why their scans are like that
- that homosexuals and trannies are more like women
- all of the above
- your laydee soul shapes your brain meat
- women are retarded and that's why their brains are different
- men are retarded and that's why their brains are different

I'm no brain scientist but it seems what the scans are show symptomatic stuff not causal since the structure and activity of the brain is very dependent on what you use it for and what it's been exposed to (drugs causing brain damage famously). But a lot of this shit is just random data with no as of yet real use IMO. You can write any story you want surrounding it because it's all so up in the air and there is a shit load we don't understand about brains still. A lot of what we make sound scientific are really just philosophical arguments. There was a researcher that went over things and basically said the results aren't conclusive. If not the original studies themselves. But how information is presented to lay people can be used in really weaselly ways because they don't read the actual studies and don't know how to parse them.

I really think it is down to porn, specifically exposure to video porn at a very young age.

We have had dirty magazines and literature forever, we have had little boys spying on girls in various states of undress forever, but never in human history have little boys been able to manifest the audio/visual experience of human sexual intercourse from the safety of their own homes.
Obviously I don't think all or even most men are affected by it, but I do think the boys with certain issues became mesmerised by the experience, leading them down a dark path of psychological addiction and ultimately: bizarre paraphilias like transgenderism.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

I feel that furries disprove the notion that troons have that it's bullying that causes the high rates of suicide. Furries get more shit than any troon can fathom, and they're somehow usually less financially destitute despite fursuits, commissions for their fursonas and other things costing way, way more. Troons are weaker than furries.

Most non troon furries (if they dont identify as otherkin) understand the fact that they're playing pretend and in reality they're not animals. Maybe that has something to do

 

[Baraadmirer]

And they will flip their shit. They'll try to tie it back to you denying their existence or identity -- even if the issue in question has nothing to do with trans people or transgenderism. They'll say you're invalidating them. Because they're used to using their transness as a means of shutting down opinions they don't want to hear on any topic. Of getting sympathy and help for any problem they may have, no matter what the people around them are dealing with. They're trans, they're special. They're supposed to be be treated with kid gloves.

I am reminded of a brief exchange with my trans friend (who has 41'ed) years ago when the topic of Jordan Peterson came up: the tone in her voice became threatening real quick.

 

[Jacques1194]

This had been the correct path for progress and trannies were terrified of it becoming policy. They will claim (but never link definitive proof) about brain scans showing that transwomen brains have pathways and patterns that closer resemble a "cis" woman's brain rather than a man's brain, as some sort of evidence that transitioning isn't a choice. They then would fight tooth and nail to prevent brain scans from becoming the gold standard to gatekeep genital mutilation and hormonal neutering from any Tom, Dick or Jane. I can only assume that this attitude is out of fear that they themselves would be discovered to not be "true trans" (and thus gatekept out of gender affirming care), but hidden under an insincere veneer that postures concerns about suicidal kids and individual privacy.

Both sides of the debate should nut up or shut up. I'd wager that if male-brain scans and female-brain scans are real, and there is an actual neurological marker for someone feeling trapped in the wrong body that would feel relief from cross sex hormones and genital butchery, it should be covered as an extension of mental health care and available to any age that can give a positive-flagged brain scan.

I am that confident that the "male brain female brain" talk is a load of horseshit, intended to take all accountability and scrutiny away from people that are trendchasing/coomchasing/seeking cosmetic care. Also known as, "making a choice (that ruins every life around them)".

To be honest, if brain scans really proved anything why haven't there been studies on genderfluid (gender identity changes over time), non binary (neither man or a woman) or any non man or woman gender identities? If the whole reason why trans people take the opposite sex's hormones is because they want their brains to match their bodies (meaning their brains are producing the hormones they want) then how would one prove a non binary brain? If I remember correctly, the brain needs a mix of estrogen and testosterone in order to function What triggers a genderfluid person's brain to suddenly change from man to woman or vice versa at certain points?

Every time I look up these answers on trans reddit posts, its always assumptions like "The brain could do this or that" there isn't one study they link to that really tried this. One thing I did notice though is that they say that there's a lot that we don't know about gender so they just assume that the more research there will be in the future that it'll somehow prove the validations of those gender identities. Which is weird since the same TIPs claim that there's been decades of research proving transgenderism and non binary is said to have existed throughout history. So...how has there not been research going into it yet?

 

[Sloppa]

This had been the correct path for progress and trannies were terrified of it becoming policy. They will claim (but never link definitive proof) about brain scans showing that transwomen brains have pathways and patterns that closer resemble a "cis" woman's brain rather than a man's brain, as some sort of evidence that transitioning isn't a choice. They then would fight tooth and nail to prevent brain scans from becoming the gold standard to gatekeep genital mutilation and hormonal neutering from any Tom, Dick or Jane. I can only assume that this attitude is out of fear that they themselves would be discovered to not be "true trans" (and thus gatekept out of gender affirming care), but hidden under an insincere veneer that postures concerns about suicidal kids and individual privacy.

Both sides of the debate should nut up or shut up. I'd wager that if male-brain scans and female-brain scans are real, and there is an actual neurological marker for someone feeling trapped in the wrong body that would feel relief from cross sex hormones and genital butchery, it should be covered as an extension of mental health care and available to any age that can give a positive-flagged brain scan.

I am that confident that the "male brain female brain" talk is a load of horseshit, intended to take all accountability and scrutiny away from people that are trendchasing/coomchasing/seeking cosmetic care. Also known as, "making a choice (that ruins every life around them)".

We aren't close to a time where a brain scan alone can be used for this kind of diagnostic. There are blind studies where experts specialising in Alzheimer's were shown scans from patients in the early stages; mixed with scans of healthy people the same age, the doctors failed to beat the average.
Things like MRI seem dramatic and miraculous, since they can show us the physiological damage these illnesses can have on our brains, but by the time the damage has been done, it's in the very end stages of the illness (anyone could identify the person as ill just by meeting them).

The human brain remains to be the most mysterious thing in the known universe. Be very wary of anyone who says otherwise.

 

[Chieftain Coke Peanut]

How long until prenups start carrying a troon/poon out clause like many already do for infidelity?

It sure would help for the poor SOBs who marry a man, have kids with him, only to find out he's trooning out after she's been baby trapped. That has to be a new level of horrifying. Imagine having to sit in court together and hash out visitation times with the judge.

Trooning out post marriage is becoming so prevalent I could see it becoming a thing lawyers throw in as a cover your ass move. Only people who would be upset about it would be the troon, but if you're divorcing them you're just validating their womanhood!

 

[clever handle]

I feel that furries disprove the notion that troons have that it's bullying that causes the high rates of suicide. Furries get more shit than any troon can fathom, and they're somehow usually less financially destitute despite fursuits, commissions for their fursonas and other things costing way, way more. Troons are weaker than furries.

To make a guess, I'd argue that this is because furries as a culture have been around longer, and also never really made a concerted attempt to force themselves into social legitimacy. For all their faults, they've generally kept to themselves, and there's never been a huge movement to legitimize furries as a demographic. They also have no delusion about their societal perception, and the general candor that they're all in on how degenerate they are, in most cases, seems to keep them more humble. Or, at the very least, any desire they had to force such societal change happened in a much earlier age of the internet before that degree of societal traction was meaningfully possible, so they settled back into something quieter before they were given a gun large enough to shoot themselves in the foot with.

Given all that, it's actually a defensible point that furries have their heads on tighter than trans people, either because they understand their own degree of degeneracy, or at least how they're perceived, and are comfortable keeping themselves to themselves. Trans people should aspire to be more like furries, but that may be too high a watermark.

 

[Chris Konon]

How troons choose their names?
I know many of them are choosing the same names as other troons, but they usually have this "troon vibe" to them. Usually you can clock a troon just by their name alone; pooners as well.

I would also expect many troons to take names from tranime, but they don’t do it for some reason. I would say it’s a common sense, but we all know troons lack it.

So basically what is the process for a name to become a troon-name?

 

[bouquetnine]

How troons choose their names?
I know many of them are choosing the same names as other troons, but they usually have this "troon vibe" to them. Usually you can clock a troon just by their name alone; pooners as well.

I would also expect many troons to take names from tranime, but they don’t do it for some reason. I would say it’s a common sense, but we all know troons lack it.

So basically what is the process for a name to become a troon-name?

Troon names are like stripper names. Most names have some kind of tradition, honoring family members or faith or some historical figure. Troon names, like stripper names, are meant to be detached from that. They're highly individualistic, all about ME.

 

[Less Than Zero]

I do think it's dumb to not address trans people by their preferred pronouns. Yes, even down to Chris-Chan, if I met her IRL I would.
You're not hurting anyone directly by doing it and could make someone's day, even if you have your disagreements

Troon names are like stripper names. Most names have some kind of tradition, honoring family members or faith or some historical figure. Troon names, like stripper names, are meant to be detached from that. They're highly individualistic, all about ME.

In all fairness I can understand why trans people hate associating with family and tradition, and it's not hard to see why...

 

[Chris Konon]

In all fairness I can understand why trans people hate associating with family and tradition, and it's not hard to see why...

Sure, but they can just choose a normal name.

Also please explain this:
Link

So for context, I came out to my mom about a year ago. She had a denial & greivence phase (like most of our moms do) but has since come around and made a lot of progress. We are in a good spot relationship wise at the moment. My deadname was something my mom cherished and felt hurt and disrespected that I never liked it since I was little. And so, I thought I'd give her the honor of renaming me as a symbolic way of showing her that I do still, infact, love and respect her. She picked the name Alyssa, or Ally as a nickname. And I accepted it.

The troon in question has a good relationship with their mother.

I really gravitate towards the name Luna or Lunetta. (I know, another transfem named Luna how unique >.<)

And despite that they are they are set on to have a troonish name, and they are even self aware that this is the case. If I see someone named Lunetta I assume they are MtF, lol

My mom is profoundly deaf since birth, and she has a hard time pronouncing certain words. Our primary language is ASL so this wouldn't usually be important, but sometimes she will call for me if I'm in a different room and she needs my attention. It's just the culture of our household. She picked the names for her children that she did because they are easier for her to pronounce.

The allure of the troonish name is so hard that even in this circumstance they want to choose fucking Lunetta instead of a normal name chosen by their supportive disabled mother.


I just struggle to understand this mindset.
(Archived post thanks to the GOAT @Magic Pickle )

 

[Anasa Tristis]

How troons choose their names?

Troon names are like stripper names. Most names have some kind of tradition, honoring family members or faith or some historical figure. Troon names, like stripper names, are meant to be detached from that. They're highly individualistic, all about ME.

Yep. Troon names are "All about me". It's what I want to project. Like femininity. Or get for a response, like revulsion or discomfort. Or aspire to, like being unclockable. Or mock, like women in general, or innocence. Sexual or otherwise.

Violet/Poppy/Lily/Rose. (I'm a delicate flower.)
Barbie. (I'm ironic and insane!)
Athena/Lilith/Freya/Venus. (I'm a cultural appropriator. Or a goddess. Or both!)
Roxanne. (I'm justa regular gal or a prostitute, like in that Police song!)
Brianna/Caitlyn. (I'm stealth/unique/aristocratic!)
Stephanie/Sarah. (I'm the girl next door!)

And on and on.

Remember Kayla Lemeuix? There's just a few free associations that lead you from that to "teenage pussy" there.

Choosing a name that has an unusual spelling is always great for self important authoritarians who want to correct everyone they meet. Especially power hungry pooners. "No, it's spelled this way."

I do think it's dumb to not address trans people by their preferred pronouns. Yes, even down to Chris-Chan, if I met her IRL I would.
You're not hurting anyone directly by doing it and could make someone's day, even if you have your disagreements

In all fairness I can understand why trans people hate associating with family and tradition, and it's not hard to see why...

Aside from being lies, preferred pronouns are rohypnol. You can't ask people to willfully (and forcibly) rewire their brains to consider men as women and vice versa.

Human society runs on a shared reality. On what is easily perceived and commonly known as true. Like sex differences. Someone's subjective gender identity is in direct conflict with that. It can't be affirmed or accommodated because it's not real. Attempting to creates chaos and genuine harm.