💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[bouquetnine]

Black people have been here just as long as white people, have very little to show for it, are very self-conscious about this fact and cannot hide that their skin is black. No word will ever compare in offense to "Nigger".

Anything used to describe niggers will become a slur. It's not the word itself that's offensive, it's their very nature. If we look at recent history, "Negro", "Black", "African-American", "Person of Color" have all have been the preferred term, then later phased out. The news media refuses to describe them by skin color and has dozens of euphemisms to use instead. It's kind of a game to see what new one pops up when the next chimpout happens. One of the more famous ones is "jogger".

The attempt to capitalize on their victimization reached new heights with the new LGBTBBQ flag; by making mexicans and blacks part of the flag it tries to lump them in together to make it seem like they have common goals. It's just a way to acquire more victim points to get back at straight white men.

Spoiler: Sperging time

This applies to many slurs. If you dig deep enough nearly every disliked group has behaviors that makes them a menace to society at large. It's not the slur that's offensive, it's their behavior. "Jew" on the threshold of slur stage. Really makes one think.

 

[Less Than Zero]

"there are struggles, sometimes people look down on you for being a lesbian, and now Florida wants to kill me!"

First of all. Wants to kill you?

Something I really don't get with Ts is that they tend to emphasize their identity to the point of acting like there isn't any alternative. Before I mentioned my race/religion analogy, and they see sex as something as innate as race. So anti-trans laws are as bad as lynching was
...but transitioning isn't an instantaneous process. You may identify as trans, reject your current sex/gender, and want to change it. But if you're unable to, then does that mean you aren't that gender/sex until you're able to change it? Maybe I don't understand dysphoria and why physically presenting as the other sex is so immediate
It's not like this matters, trans people I know in non-friendly states just live off DIY HRT and are already distrustful of doctors as I've said before. But it's interesting

"We gays have to stick together"?

I also don't honestly get what makes transgenderism a LGB-T thing. It's changing your gender, not your attraction...
This site explains it:

I guess it kind of makes sense..? But it feels extremely context specific, like the push for gay rights in the US won't be the same everywhere. Persecution won't be the same either. Man this is confusing

As a lesbian, I myself "fake wokeness" all the time, and it's relatively easy for me to do so, since liberals just assume by default, that as a gay person, I must be a turbo-liberal that agrees with all of their viewpoints. I have noticed that after Trump won the 2024 election, it instantly became much more acceptable to say slurs again and publicly criticize transgenderism.

Same here, but I also stopped giving a fuck about pushback since the people who got offended by me being an edgelord were usually the same ones that were insufferable lib types anyways.
The trans friends I have still are the ones that can put up with me without me having to fake my thoughts to them.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I also don't honestly get what makes transgenderism a LGB-T thing. It's changing your gender, not your attraction...

The thing that most raised my hackles about it was the (blatant nerdy AGP straight guy, zero actual femininity, claiming to have "always been a woman on the inside" living out a creepy fetish while mincing about misogynist stereotypes like "sensitive skin" 24 hours after the first estrogen shot) claiming that, since he's "a woman", married to a woman, that now makes him a "lesbian" and therefore "also gay". It hit all the same notes as Rachel Dolezal, the white woman claiming she was black. But since Reddit troon dogma is what he lives by, he was "always" a woman, which means he was a lesbian the whole time. He understands what it's like to be a persecuted gay too!

Puke, out out out. Not only does the TQ have nothing to do with the LGB, but I'm not going to take this man in a dress claiming to be a "gay woman" when he's a straight pervert making a minstrel show of the already rare serious LGB relationship.

 

[Hatecraft]

I'm not normally one to get offended on someone else's behalf, but the last couple of times I crossed that threshold were because of troons. Recently-trooned "transbian" acquaintance (don't feel sorry for the wife, she wholeheartedly encouraged and continues to encourage the AGP), blah blah "there are struggles, sometimes people look down on you for being a lesbian, and now Florida wants to kill me!"

First of all. Wants to kill you? Oh you mean doesn't want you flashing in bathrooms. Forgot, that's a crime equivalent to murder. But "lesbian struggles"? "It's hard to be a woman in this world"? "We gays have to stick together"? Since you've never been any of those things, I don't see why you'd be an authority on them. "We" gays. You're a panty-sniffing straight man aping an offensive drag queen version of femininity with your wife. You have no idea what it's like to hesitate holding hands with someone before looking around. How dare...

Yeah. That one set my teeth.

Transbians are the worst of them, they claim to be real women AND real lesbians.
Give it a few years, when he starts to become erratic and sickly due to the hormones breaking havoc and when he gets the surgery. No more dick to play with and an ugly nonfunctional faux vagina that will continue to make problems over the years will likely make all sexual-related fun disappear from their bedroom.
Will she get tired of him because he's becoming a self-absorbed liability with nothing to offer or stick with him and be miserable because women tend to stay with partners that need to be taken care of?
Time will tell..

 

[Not A Bunny]

I suppose if I knew someone who threatened to end it all if they couldn't transition, I would tell them, I guess then, they think their only value is in their transitioned self. Not literally anything else about their lives. Imagine that you contribute so little to the world that you need to consume synthetic hormones and get major surgery just to be worth something.

Sometimes I wish people really would get down to that kind of brass tacks. Maybe in the next ten years, a lot more people will start telling soft people to suck it up.

 

[█████████]

I suppose if I knew someone who threatened to end it all if they couldn't transition, I would tell them, I guess then, they think their only value is in their transitioned self. Not literally anything else about their lives. Imagine that you contribute so little to the world that you need to consume synthetic hormones and get major surgery just to be worth something.

Sometimes I wish people really would get down to that kind of brass tacks. Maybe in the next ten years, a lot more people will start telling soft people to suck it up.

Most trannies are addicts to instant gratification in terms of sex, porn, drugs, and videogames. Most of the ones I've known do not have a stable well-paying career. They blame their incompetence on everything other than themselves. They blame their parents or "cis hetero-normative white supremacist patriarchal societal structures". So you're right that they have such little to give to the world. They will never feel satisfied with "trans rights progress" until you're given free money and housing just for being trans and never have to work - just allowed to twitch stream, play vidya, watch anime, and jerk off to porn 24/7.

The very few I know that actually contribute anything to society are the ones that have an autistic special interest in computers. But those kinds are a double-edged sword because they also tend to be the worst in terms of porn brainrot due to how often they're on a computer.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Most trannies are addicts to instant gratification in terms of sex, porn, drugs, and videogames.

This is yet another way in which we (the communal "we") seem to "forgive" trans people for being trans, in terms of not having to meet the same baseline for psychological health as most people.

Nobody ever, when faced with an adult trans (say, around 18 or older), matches that up with the idea that they might be socially disordered in some other way. There never seems to be a motivation to correlate being trans with personality disorders, parents' income bracket, sense of accomplishment, sense of self-worth or anything else that might indicate that being trans is almost always something associated with people who lack self-esteem, purpose, or direction.

 

[Hum Humina]

The very few I know that actually contribute anything to society are the ones that have an autistic special interest in computers. But those kinds are a double-edged sword because they also tend to be the worst in terms of porn brainrot due to how often they're on a computer.

Plus they have the money to donate to trans causes and are surface-level together enough that people find them more sympathetic. They may be porn-addled degenerates, but they can hide that shit behind a veneer of functionality, so they're what keeps the grift going. If they were all Yanivs, the world would be a better place.

(Almost all the adult male people of trans I know are programmers or other tech people with enough money to, after they get their stinkditches and bolt-ons, spend a fuckload on FFS, only to find that, having shaved off the bones in their face, now they're not happy with their voices and must have VFS. They're just as lacking in self-worth as the commies and ebeggers.)

 

[Aunt Carol]

I also don't honestly get what makes transgenderism a LGB-T thing. It's changing your gender, not your attraction...
This site explains it:

One thing to remember, and I know this sounds like tinfoil hat talk, is that "queer" is a tricky word.

Not at all relevant: its history as a slur.

Most semi-hip people reading or hearing "queer" assume it means "gay et al, you know those guys." A shortcut for the growing initialism, an umbrella term for anyone non "cishet" in the context of activism or discrimination. Sometimes the people saying or writing "queer" mean it that way, too, but sometimes they mean "queer" as in "Queer Theory." (Sometimes the same people mean it both ways at different times; there's a difference between the fundraiser and the mission statement.)

Queer theory is the dedication to breaking down existing systems, since they're all designed by capitalism to create and control more worker-slaves. Therefore any boring gays who want to get married and be each other's next of kin aren't queer; you have to be against the state and the status quo.

What's most important is that there's no quick, easy, sane-appearing way to ask someone to clarify what kind of "queer" they're using.

 

[Oggdo Bogdo]

Transbians are the worst of them, they claim to be real women AND real lesbians.
Give it a few years, when he starts to become erratic and sickly due to the hormones breaking havoc and when he gets the surgery. No more dick to play with and an ugly nonfunctional faux vagina that will continue to make problems over the years will likely make all sexual-related fun disappear from their bedroom.
Will she get tired of him because he's becoming a self-absorbed liability with nothing to offer or stick with him and be miserable because women tend to stay with partners that need to be taken care of?
Time will tell..

I've been engaging in conversation with a few detransitioning men, trying to help them get to grips with the meat grinder they were pushed through.

The observations I've made are:

• The "transbians" are basically set off by a perpetual post-nut clarity, chasing those initial highs that will never come back, realizing that they've ruined themselves over a fetish. Sadly they're a rare breed because they're constantly being circlejerked by each other into going further and further in.
• The homosexuals tend to be a bit more introspective and realize that they're living a lie perpetuated by the people who surround them, the constant validation and asspats make them feel more like a pet than a person.

I sympathize with transbians much less due to it usually being their fault (If they start regretting it, that's a different story), but there's still that factor of social engineering that happens from a combination of the pro-trans lobby and porn industry that essentially rewires their brain to be as much of a degenerate as possible that makes me pity them, just a little.

 

[Jacques1194]

I also don't honestly get what makes transgenderism a LGB-T thing. It's changing your gender, not your attraction...
This site explains it:

The argument I hear is that trannies like gays faced the same oppression and that's why they are a part of the LGBT movement. I also herd this bizarre claim that its also because the LGBT challenges "Cis heteronormativity" roles in society. (whatever the fuck that means) Honestly, I don't understand what the fuck current gays are really fighting for since they have gay marriage. Nowadays, they made a problem that really doesn't exist. Why does society now have to act like straight isn't the default when gays are a tiny minority? I'm not saying gays don't exist or that maybe there's a few people that hide it, but the current LGBT movement acts like they genuinely believe that half of the population is secretly gay or trans and people are still "oppressing" their gender and sexuality. Hence why even in T.V shows where a show has LGBT characters on it. If half the cast isn't gay or trans that character is battling "Cis heteronormativity". It makes no sense.

 

[113]

I'm catching up on some of the older stuff in the main thread, and see people fighting the research with bringing up "autosexuality".

Is that supposed to disprove AGP being a real phenomenon? By framing it as something women do, which wouldn't be of the same severity to compare as the opposite gender, so therefore it has to be female brained and actually affirming. Turns into soup.

also half of these "egg bingo, egg timeline, ..." posts I keep, it seems more and more so that people are specifically introduced to the pipeline through trans porn, not just envying actual women. I'd imagine that to be even more of a case nowadays, if it was that way in 2017 already.

*sorry for editing so much, if that affects something. I'm half asleep and copied the wrong terms when trying to spell it right.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Honestly, I don't understand what the fuck current gays are really fighting for since they have gay marriage.

Gay men have been generally socialized as women and are predisposed to virtue signalling and fretting about their friends'/allies' opinions (being socialized this way may be why HSTSes ruffle less feathers than AGPs- more studies needed). Lesbians trend towards masculine socialization, tend to give far less of a shit about their social status, which is why they're the most prominent TERF voices on the scene. So gay men often feel compelled to join the fight to support The Current Thing and lesbians tend to see a dick in their space and nope the fuck out.

No offense intended to our gay kiwis, but I will calls it as I sees it. People like Scott Wiener (presumably) have no skin in the game fucking 14 year old boys or letting his own child trans, but he will support it because it puts him on The Right Side of History.

Nowadays, they made a problem that really doesn't exist.

Yes, they did. They won their marriage and they failed in forcing a bakery to cater a wedding. They needed to extend the scope of the issue to keep the tardbux rolling in.

Why does society now have to act like straight isn't the default when gays are a tiny minority?

Beats me, and that's why we're posting here. The real "N word" is "normal". There is no shame in being (solely) abnormal, but as soon as you suggest that "cis" is a newly generated slur thrust onto normal society, and that we're 90-95% of society, that our group literally creates the future generation, trans activists chimp the fuck out, want to destroy the nuclear family and their gay male handbutlers will often follow.

 

[teriyakiburns]

can't in good faith call it either a cult or a religion. The formal definition of cult requires a central person or object

No formal definition of cult requires a central person or authority figure. Cults will often coalesce around an authoritarian figure, but such a figure isn't necessary. The most basic definition of a cult is an organized group whose purpose is to dominate its members through psychological manipulation and pressure strategies, which describes troonery to a T.

As for a central object, it doesn't have to be physical; historically, it is most often some form of esotric knowledge, which again fits troonism.

 

[Soso]

No offense intended to our gay kiwis, but I will calls it as I sees it. People like Scott Wiener (presumably) have no skin in the game fucking 14 year old boys or letting his own child trans, but he will support it because it puts him on The Right Side of History.

The magical aspect of this website is to not worry about offending others. But Scott Wiener has always been very pedophilic and strange. He attended Folsom (I believe) and other pridefaggotry. He's one of those hardcore believers. You are very right about how gay men are socialized that way. It's very tiresome to interact with them. Gay men also do something similar with chasing out any dissenting opinions within their communities and try to outwoke each other often. Some of which get chased out for the most vapid reasons like for being straight or a bifag. The circuit gay thread may be on the much slower side of things, but it offers a good insight with the insanity in with fags.

I am also of the belief that mtf troons are much more pushier compared to pooners who are pushy in their own way. Pooners unless you're an Aiden don't resort to "punch da terfs" as quickly like mtfs do, and aren't as sue happy like I've noticed. Giggle for Girls wound up getting shut down because how mtfs operate. Oftentimes fags ignore pooners or enable them because to them the pooner doesn't seem as insane.

Thread tax: When someone tries to reverse their troon-out, would you say the statistics are still high? I always wondered how higher the statistics get when they do the tit/dick chop even if they detroon themselves.

 

[Argos]

And what would lead to that? Genuinely, I've been friends with them for months/years and even if we've had debates and fights over things it's not been enough to cause this. I think you're being paranoid

It isn't paranoia, it's experience.

There will be some point when your opinions differ greatly from your trans friends, whether it's over something you consider too trivial but they consider of great importance, or a line you absolutely believe should never be crossed, no matter the circumstances. Whatever the cause, you'll reach a point where you have to tell them "No/I don't agree/This is wrong." There will be a time when you have to focus on your own life and your own concerns, when you simply can't be there for them in the way they expect.

And they will flip their shit. They'll try to tie it back to you denying their existence or identity -- even if the issue in question has nothing to do with trans people or transgenderism. They'll say you're invalidating them. Because they're used to using their transness as a means of shutting down opinions they don't want to hear on any topic. Of getting sympathy and help for any problem they may have, no matter what the people around them are dealing with. They're trans, they're special. They're supposed to be be treated with kid gloves.

Your comment that people being mean to trans people leads to their suicides shows you've already fallen into this mindset yourself. Everyone gets made fun of. If it's not people in your immediate circle, you shrug it off and go on. This is a lesson everyone should have learned by high school. But what the trans people who claim being mocked and laughed at leads to suicide really aren't complaining about the mocking and laughter. They're complaining about the refusal to believe that trans people are truly the opposite sex. The laughter and mockery is just a symptom of that refusal. For trans people, everything worthwhile in their lives -- everything -- depends on people being polite and pretending to believe them. But that's getting -- has gotten -- old. And it applies to friendships as well. Constantly bolstering a friend's delusion isn't kindness in the long run, it's a game of make-believe. Sooner or later, the game butts up against reality.

And reality always wins.

 

[Oggdo Bogdo]

Thread tax: When someone tries to reverse their troon-out, would you say the statistics are still high? I always wondered how higher the statistics get when they do the tit/dick chop even if they detroon themselves.

It’s already bad enough just mitigating the damage from hormones: infertility, men get to deal with severe gynomastia and women get body hair and fried vocal cords but if you go even further into the surgery territory?
You’re fucking done buddy, you got a stink ditch or a rot dog that’s going to need constant medical supervision so you don’t die from the inevitable infections that are going to occur, you’ll never get back your breasts and will have to deal with the scars that the troons wear like a badge of honor.

It’s so fucking sad seeing these people who were shoved all the way through the meat grinder try and get some sense of normalcy when they’ve essentially been grafted into something they’re not.
I think that’s the insidious thing about gender affirming care, it’s fucking doublespeak. It doesn’t make you happy to be in your own skin like the name implies, it just feeds your delusion and tells you to fly closer and closer to the sun until you burst into flames.

 

[Wallace]

It’s already bad enough just mitigating the damage from hormones: infertility, men get to deal with severe gynomastia and women get body hair and fried vocal cords but if you go even further into the surgery territory?
You’re fucking done buddy, you got a stink ditch or a rot dog that’s going to need constant medical supervision so you don’t die from the inevitable infections that are going to occur, you’ll never get back your breasts and will have to deal with the scars that the troons wear like a badge of honor.

The hormones do plenty of irreversible damage themselves, especially to the brain.

 

[Bully OST by Shawn Lee]

I feel that furries disprove the notion that troons have that it's bullying that causes the high rates of suicide. Furries get more shit than any troon can fathom, and they're somehow usually less financially destitute despite fursuits, commissions for their fursonas and other things costing way, way more. Troons are weaker than furries.

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

The hormones do plenty of irreversible damage themselves, especially to the brain.

You know what would be the funniest thing in this current year clown world climate? The government having a press conference and reading off all the hidden things in gender medicine.