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And that's why it's a social contagion. People can't leave the cult without alienating all of their friends.
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Yeah, this is one of the tricky bits - cult has a generally negative tonal connotation, but I think just like "mental illness", it's worth defanging and seeing merely as an observation relative to the trans situation based on its symptoms, rather than a value judgment. For instance I think part and parcel if you broke down the definitional aspects of gender dysphoria and mental illness and evaluated them (IE something that is mentally damaging to experience that you feel you need to get some kind of medical answer to), I think a lot of even trans folks would agree with you that they align, they just don't like the stigma associated with the term, because they see it as having an implicit value judgment attached.
Too bad for them that HRT and surgery ceases to be medical (and therefore covered by healthcare/the government) and begins to be merely cosmetic if we convince the world that dysphoria isn't mental illness, because otherwise it's no longer something to be suffered from.
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I remember when the tucutes started popping up around 2018 with their whole "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" spiel. The prevailing thought before then was that trans people desired to present as the opposite sex to relieve an intense internal sense of discomfort, and allowances were made because the average person doesn't want a fellow to suffer internal anguish. The tucutism implies that being transgender is something one can choose at the drop of a hat, which further implies that if someone makes fun of a trans person, they are criticising them as they would someone with terrible fashion sense and not some immutable characteristic. This plus the motte-and-bailey strategy of using the trans identity as a defence for inappropriate behaviour has shorn a lot of goodwill towards trans-identifying people.
tl;dr: Cluster Bs want to be oppressed without experiencing any of the internal oppression.
The gray area with MtF’s is too wide to even pick at one kind of ulterior motives, but generally nothing feels more like being gaslit than allies who very much involve themselves in arguments around gender ideology, yet manage to still be spouting how, “nobody would ever willingly choose to be part of a more marginalised group”.
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Hard agree. I have left many friends behind due to their overwhelming "TRANS RIGHTS AFE HUMAN RIGHTS" mantras they spammed nearly everyday online. I was once supportive until about 2018 when I noticed just how strange the whole thing had gotten. Even so I tried to just be quiet about it out of fear of being ostracized at first, but it was when the Hogwarts spectacle happened that I became fed up with every part of the movement and wasn't going to silence myself anymore.
I've lost plenty of friends (not outright, mainly from just dropping contact slowly) but I've also kept the important ones, those being both people who agree with me but were afraid to admit it to anyone else, and the ones who disagree but value our friendship anyways.
If your friends make you "choose" between an opinion on a social contagion or their friendship I'm sorry but those are just not real friends.
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This is why I call it a cult. And why it deserves the negative connotations. These creatures make their friendship about shoring up their own ego against the challenges they face, not getting the titties from their titty skittles, still having thick stubble after their 10th laser treatment, etc. And if anyone stops trying become "the girl" then that is a threat to their own flimsy confidence and cannot be tolerated. These are parasitic relationships. So yes, it is definitely a cult.
One of the many ideological inconsistencies they don't mind ignoring. "It's not a mental illness" but the care is still also "life saving and necessary".
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As opposed as I am to the whole belief system, that everyone "knows their innate gender" and should be trusted to prematurely neuter themselves and to be allowed in sex-exclusive spaces based on scout's honor, I can't in good faith call it either a cult or a religion. The formal definition of cult requires a central person or object and casually enjoying George Carlin standups taught me that the bridge to religion is that "the guy's been dead a long time".
Gender ethos doesn't have a central person or object like that. They will still snatch up and brainwash your closest friends and family like the Cult of Set, but there's no Thulsa Doom orchestrating all of this. Have there been any examples of an undisputed cult being ruled by an oligarchy, which could be a stand-in for WPATH or Steven Universe fanfiction writers on Tumblr circa 2013? Marci Bowers isn't venerated, but WPATH's word is treated as gospel by them.
Gender ethos doesn't have a central person or object like that. They will still snatch up and brainwash your closest friends and family like the Cult of Set, but there's no Thulsa Doom orchestrating all of this. Have there been any examples of an undisputed cult being ruled by an oligarchy, which could be a stand-in for WPATH or Steven Universe fanfiction writers on Tumblr circa 2013? Marci Bowers isn't venerated, but WPATH's word is treated as gospel by them.
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I’ve heard it essentially being compared to Scientology, I can definitely see parallels with how you pay exorbitant amounts of money (good ol sunk-cost fallacy) and how those who leave are treated as essentially subhumans and cut off from their family and friends.
I don’t actually know enough about Scientology itself to confidently say it’s basically the same thing, but the tactics are very familar.
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There are plenty of people who see themselves as the leader, from Brianna Wu and Tony Reed through to nobodies like Zinnia Jones. The real leaders are the complex web of profiteers in the medical profession. But I do take your point, there is no L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones calling the shots.
I would say, however, that in every other respect, it’s a perfect match.
- It starts out simple - you try sissy porn or you join a hobby with a large trans contingent or you play with cross-dressing.
- Those targeted are typically people who feel like outsiders.
- There’s lovebombing on Reddit, Discord etc, pushing you to experiment further.
- There is no option to not be trans, just as Scientology will always determine that you’re mentally ill.
- You are encouraged to cut off from anyone who doesn’t support you, depriving you of dissenting opinions.
- There is an in-group (troons) and an out-group. The in-group are presented as an elite, with their own terminology and customs.
- You are convinced of dire consequences if you leave the cult (suicide).
- There is an eternal apocalyptic threat (genocide) presented by a nebulous enemy that’s both all-powerful and beatable (TERFs, fascists)
- There are other forms of double-think. “Transness requires medical treatment, but it is not a mental illness.” “Being trans will make you your true self, but also the world hates us and makes us fail.”
- There is also much self-delusion, e.g. the belief that becoming a perfect facsimile of a woman is possible and common, even though you never see it.
- Apostates (detransitioners) are shunned and vilified. More doublethink - everyone who thinks they’re trans is trans, but these people were never trans.
- There is a goal that is always just out of reach, namely becoming the opposite sex. Once you attain this, you will become a fully-functional person who gets everything you ever wanted.
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Doh. I always forget about Scientology, probably because it seems more like the love child of a pyramid scheme and a fan club of a subpar science fiction writer. It's definitely a cult, but I am unsure of the degree of veneration surrounding L. Ron Hubbard, meaning it might pass that test of "being centered around one guy that's either alive or only recently dead".
Maybe I consider gender ethos as a highly destructive version of a folk religion, like Shinto, Greco-Roman mythology, Norse paganism or Rodnovery? None of those had/have a central person or object, live or dead, just a head god (Amaterasu, Zeus/Jupiter, Odin or whatever the fuck native Slavs believed in) and other gods/spirits under them. They definitely do an attempt at ancestral worship, the way they keep trying to make Joan of Arc trans and William Shakespeare gay.
Maybe I consider gender ethos as a highly destructive version of a folk religion, like Shinto, Greco-Roman mythology, Norse paganism or Rodnovery? None of those had/have a central person or object, live or dead, just a head god (Amaterasu, Zeus/Jupiter, Odin or whatever the fuck native Slavs believed in) and other gods/spirits under them. They definitely do an attempt at ancestral worship, the way they keep trying to make Joan of Arc trans and William Shakespeare gay.
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Pizza parties with the Gay-Straight Alliance etc. are the equivalent of the Hare Krishnas offering a free meal, or pizza parties with the local church group.
This is a strength of the movement too; if there were a Troon Pope, a Czxr of Trans, people could get clear answers on matters of doctrine.
Instead one TRA will say "nobody thinks X that's a strawman" while a different TRA pushes for X. "Trans*" went from mandatory to hatespeech overnight; if there were someone in charge they would have at least put out a press release. Is <horrible person> a real transwoman? Ask the Troon Pope and get a final answer.
Maybe genderism is like the American Protestant version of a cult: any time a congregation disagrees, schism.
When the Mormons do that, it's posthumous baptism.
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Ironically, you say that it's a strength but not having clear policy/demands has terrible staying power. If nobody knows what you actually want, no one will trust that there will be an end to your demands when they've been met. It's great for dodging accountability, but terrible for building trust and support from the greater public.
And boy oh boy, nothing dodges accountability like a sweaty neckbearded redditor ally saying "trans people don't want to groom your kids, that's rehashing homophobic conspiracy theories" while Keffals and Eli Erlick brag about mailing kids estrogen behind their parents backs.
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It should be, yeah. Trans movement success is like the "bumblebees shouldn't fly" meme.
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Above post was in response to this one:
Full article: https://www.stevestewartwilliams.com/p/faking-wokeness-to-fit-in
As a lesbian, I myself "fake wokeness" all the time, and it's relatively easy for me to do so, since liberals just assume by default, that as a gay person, I must be a turbo-liberal that agrees with all of their viewpoints. I have noticed that after Trump won the 2024 election, it instantly became much more acceptable to say slurs again and publicly criticize transgenderism. I don't think people overnight became more right-wing but that a right-wing candidate winning confirmed to people that others are much more right-wing than they thought, and that everyone is just too scared to speak their mind, in fear of liberal freakouts and losing their jobs.
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Goddamn trannies are so insufferable. As y'all are acutely aware, free speech is a hot topic right now. So I'm chatting with some peeps and the we're talking about politics as it happens. I casually mention that unjust laws are worth resisting. The key point I was trying to make is that people need to take care of their health such that they CAN resist. The tranny in the room then says, "I can't risk going to jail, that would be a death sentence. They would deny me my HRT." So I say, "That makes you a good little slave then. You'll do whatever the state tells you so you stay out of jail." And he fucking flew off the handle.
The tranny just outed himself as an agent that would betray any real revolution fighting for freedom because his titty skittles are more important. And of course he tries to accuse me of being an anti-tranny CHUD because I implied he has to fight too. Yes I do hate trannies and this particular tranny was a classic example of why I hate troons. He tried to make it out as just classic unfounded bigotry.
I don't have high hopes, but maybe that troon's episode planted the seed of doubt in some of the bystanders present.
The tranny just outed himself as an agent that would betray any real revolution fighting for freedom because his titty skittles are more important. And of course he tries to accuse me of being an anti-tranny CHUD because I implied he has to fight too. Yes I do hate trannies and this particular tranny was a classic example of why I hate troons. He tried to make it out as just classic unfounded bigotry.
I don't have high hopes, but maybe that troon's episode planted the seed of doubt in some of the bystanders present.
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I was wondering what troons you have to deal with on the daily when you replied to my post earlier to be extremely cautious, but if this is your usual contact with them that makes a lot of sense. This is awful, my sincerest condolences. I'm feeling second-hand rage at this creature.
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I'm not normally one to get offended on someone else's behalf, but the last couple of times I crossed that threshold were because of troons. Recently-trooned "transbian" acquaintance (don't feel sorry for the wife, she wholeheartedly encouraged and continues to encourage the AGP), blah blah "there are struggles, sometimes people look down on you for being a lesbian, and now Florida wants to kill me!"
First of all. Wants to kill you? Oh you mean doesn't want you flashing in bathrooms. Forgot, that's a crime equivalent to murder. But "lesbian struggles"? "It's hard to be a woman in this world"? "We gays have to stick together"? Since you've never been any of those things, I don't see why you'd be an authority on them. "We" gays. You're a panty-sniffing straight man aping an offensive drag queen version of femininity with your wife. You have no idea what it's like to hesitate holding hands with someone before looking around. How dare...
Yeah. That one set my teeth.
First of all. Wants to kill you? Oh you mean doesn't want you flashing in bathrooms. Forgot, that's a crime equivalent to murder. But "lesbian struggles"? "It's hard to be a woman in this world"? "We gays have to stick together"? Since you've never been any of those things, I don't see why you'd be an authority on them. "We" gays. You're a panty-sniffing straight man aping an offensive drag queen version of femininity with your wife. You have no idea what it's like to hesitate holding hands with someone before looking around. How dare...
Yeah. That one set my teeth.
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I've been looking for a previous post I thought I made touching upon the slur hierarchy, but I can't find it. Regardless, the three slurs used here (Retard, Faggot, Nigger) and the order they're used in is intentional. I have a theory that the severity (and thus social acceptability) of a slur depends upon two factors:
"Retard"/"Retarded" are among the least offensive of slurs because people with profound mental retardation don't understand the full scope of their discrimination. It's always their exhausted parents and loved ones making a fuss about the word, never the special needs person themselves. A person with say cerebral palsy might be up in arms over being called a "Retard" by mistake, as their voices will often have the same inflections exhibited by Walt Jr. on AMC's Breaking Bad, but that person is not actually described by the slur "Retard".
"Gay" as a "bad thing" is about on par with "Retard", but the more offensive term here is gay's older brother: "Faggot". The word implies a group's historical use as kindling. It's sharp, it's a veiled threat to burn someone at the stake, it hasn't been okay to use for a very long time save for a few years during the vulgar wave in the 2000's. But it's not the worst slur, because while homosexual people are offended at the term (as would anyone), the characteristic is not entirely unmutable. You may not be able to change being gay, but you can hide it any time you deem necessary.
Which is why the worst and most offensive slurs are often racial slurs that describe non-white people. And the king of those racial slurs is a word that describes people that used to be legally defined as property in our society: "Nigger". Asians have the "smart" thing going on. Latinos are stereotyped as industrious (yet somehow always sleepy). No one cares about Gypsies because we really don't have any significant amount of them in America. Black people have been here just as long as white people, have very little to show for it, are very self-conscious about this fact and cannot hide that their skin is black. No word will ever compare in offense to "Nigger".
So yes, if you're testing someone's political alignment and you're not afraid to be caught using slurs, Retard>Faggot>Nigger is the proper order, and I believe there is an unchangeable structure to that order.
- The target group's offense at the slur.
- The target group's characteristic mutability.
"Retard"/"Retarded" are among the least offensive of slurs because people with profound mental retardation don't understand the full scope of their discrimination. It's always their exhausted parents and loved ones making a fuss about the word, never the special needs person themselves. A person with say cerebral palsy might be up in arms over being called a "Retard" by mistake, as their voices will often have the same inflections exhibited by Walt Jr. on AMC's Breaking Bad, but that person is not actually described by the slur "Retard".
"Gay" as a "bad thing" is about on par with "Retard", but the more offensive term here is gay's older brother: "Faggot". The word implies a group's historical use as kindling. It's sharp, it's a veiled threat to burn someone at the stake, it hasn't been okay to use for a very long time save for a few years during the vulgar wave in the 2000's. But it's not the worst slur, because while homosexual people are offended at the term (as would anyone), the characteristic is not entirely unmutable. You may not be able to change being gay, but you can hide it any time you deem necessary.
Which is why the worst and most offensive slurs are often racial slurs that describe non-white people. And the king of those racial slurs is a word that describes people that used to be legally defined as property in our society: "Nigger". Asians have the "smart" thing going on. Latinos are stereotyped as industrious (yet somehow always sleepy). No one cares about Gypsies because we really don't have any significant amount of them in America. Black people have been here just as long as white people, have very little to show for it, are very self-conscious about this fact and cannot hide that their skin is black. No word will ever compare in offense to "Nigger".
So yes, if you're testing someone's political alignment and you're not afraid to be caught using slurs, Retard>Faggot>Nigger is the proper order, and I believe there is an unchangeable structure to that order.
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Troonydom, depression, circlejerking, terminally online. The second you let slip you want out, you're exiled. "what if we DIDN'T sit around jerking off and doomposting all day?". Or worse, "yo bros I just went for a walk, it made me so happy man, i'm gonna uninstall twitter and WoW". gone, immediately. Because the thought that this person is ahead of you on the road to recovery AND is reminding you that it's possible to get started down this path is heresy.