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Should be a wild four years.

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No it was because often when one got sick or was dying an estranged parent who they might not have had any contact with for decades would show up, kick the common-law spouse out and take over all decisions about the care and future estate. The spouse had no recourse under the law. This happened more often than you might think and most of the time those evil parents justified it with their own religion, trying to save their gay kid from Hell in his last few days.

It's OK to find the gay lifestyle repulsive and still understand what I describe to be just as repulsive.

Two people should be allowed to enter a legal contract with anyone they choose. A marriage license is just a legal contract, that's why it's signed by an official of the State. and not just the (optional) minister or whatever.
I remember this being the propaganda line around the same time as the nonsense with the people who drove 80 miles out of their way to find a baker who wouldn't make them a wedding cake. I'm sure it happened, but you're asking "often" to do a lot of work there. We should know by now after the last 10-12 years that changing tbe way society works based on rare edge cases doesn't work out.
 
Suffah, reportahs!

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If you listen, you can hear how about 30% of the audience are more righties and laugh at the joke, but it's still majority liberal fags who can't take the joke and keep screaming trying to get another question in before Trump leaves.
 
No it was because often when one got sick or was dying an estranged parent who they might not have had any contact with for decades would show up, kick the common-law spouse out and take over all decisions about the care and future estate. The spouse had no recourse under the law. This happened more often than you might think and most of the time those evil parents justified it with their own religion, trying to save their gay kid from Hell in his last few days.

It's OK to find the gay lifestyle repulsive and still understand what I describe to be just as repulsive.

Two people should be allowed to enter a legal contract with anyone they choose. A marriage license is just a legal contract, that's why it's signed by an official of the State. and not just the (optional) minister or whatever.
I know someone who works in banking, it is shocking how often shit like this happens in regular(non homo) marriages/relationships. I can't imagine what it was like before gay marriage was recognized the same as regular marriage.

I really think it's dumb that a lot of religious people think the governments interpretation of "what marriage is" is important. You should really only care about your churches/communities interpretation. Does uncle sam make your marriage valid or does god? is the important part of your marriage what happens in the church or the courthouse? As long as there are benefits to getting married that the government/society provides (IE, tax benefits or staying in an ambulance with someone) then gay people should be able to get married.

What really needs to happen is we need to decouple the idea of "marriage" as a government contract and "marriage" as a religious ceremony.
Gays can "get married" all they want, that doesn't make it valid/real in a religious sense. They should be able to "get married" as a societal long term/permanent partner thing to enjoy the benefits the government provides, like staying with them in the hospital or making estate decisions.


this is all stemming from our governments inability to pass laws that people actually want. They've relied on liberal supreme court justices "doing the right thing" instead of codifying "the right thing" into law. It happened with Roe v Wade and they are going to make the same decision here. Congress could get together tomorrow and pass a law but they won't because Democrats actually don't give a fuck about faggots and they would probably prefer it get shot down so they get more donations.

anyway i'm going to go rail a twink
 
No it was because often when one got sick or was dying an estranged parent who they might not have had any contact with for decades would show up, kick the common-law spouse out and take over all decisions about the care and future estate. The spouse had no recourse under the law. This happened more often than you might think and most of the time those evil parents justified it with their own religion, trying to save their gay kid from Hell in his last few dying days.

It's OK to find the gay lifestyle repulsive and still understand what I describe to be just as repulsive.

Two people should be allowed to enter a legal contract with anyone they choose. A marriage license is just a legal contract, that's why it's signed by an official of the State. and not just the (optional) minister or whatever.
yea, that kinda turned me around on gay marriage. like come on, who gives a actual fuck if two men are over 18, consenting, and want to get married.

Nah, it's not 2005 any more, 'live and let live' libertarianism's deader than the dinosaurs. Fuck everything about the fags, it's well past time to shove them back into the closet and if they make too much noise then burn it down with them locked inside, I've read & watched too much of the alphabet lobby pushing to force everyone into rainbownigger worship & legalize raping children to give a shit about what they or their sympathizers say.

Kind regards,
A guy who was retarded enough to buy into the arguments about 'two consenting adults' business is strictly their own' 'they just want to love one another in peace bro' 'slippery slopes aren't real' 15-20 years ago
ok, wait. explain your argument here. so.. do you support conversion therapy? do you support legal adults getting married? like I get the slippery slope argument but dude, there's a really clear line between pedophilia and some 35 year olds getting married.
 
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I really think it's dumb that a lot of religious people think the governments interpretation of "what marriage is" is important. You should really only care about your churches/communities interpretation.
retard take
your church and community do not have the power or authority to actually enforce their interpretation of marriage. only the government does, hence the governments interpretation is the only one that matters.
 
These people don't want to get their lives sorted out. They don't want to get clean. They don't want any sort of help other than help getting their next hit. They are savage, broken, sub-human lifeforms who will hapily burn your house down so they can pick through the rubble for copper to sell.
I learned early on about the homeless issue when I was a kid downtown and gave a homeless man $20 because I was a kid and thought myself a good Christian helping the less fortunate… anyway when I was on my way out and he was still in that spot but he was passed out and pissed (probably shit) his pants and had an almost empty bottle of jack in his hands and it dawned on me that all I did was enabled his issues.
 
Frankly I think we should just shove them back into the closet. No more retarded debating about civil unions or cakes or whatever. I don’t want my kid to see homos kissing on the street, and I’m sure many of you sympathize.
 
Faggots in DC singing about muh resistance, my goal in life is to make enough money to never worry about it so I can go to these "organic" protests and call them fags while blasting better music.
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edit: more scum acting like DC is this utopia ya hurrrrrr:

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Steel plant explosion in PA, at this point I'm saying it's Chyna or Ukraine being pissy:

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Faggots in DC singing about muh resistance, my goal in life is to make enough money to never worry about it so I can go to these "organic" protests and call them fags while blasting better music.
It's a Monday afternoon. Nobody with a job is on-call to protest during working hours. It's hard to believe people believe this is organic, until you realize the people with control over our media and government have never worked a normal 9-5, Monday-Friday job.
 
Faggots in DC singing about muh resistance, my goal in life is to make enough money to never worry about it so I can go to these "organic" protests and call them fags while blasting better music.
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Steel plant explosion in PA, at this point I'm saying it's Chyna or Ukraine being pissy:

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We've had an insane amount of plant explosions during Biden that tell me it was most likely Chink saboteurs doing it.
The only Black Powder plant blowing up and a lot of forgeries blowing up but then we were seeing weird things blowing up like industrial chicken plants and farms and meat processing plants. If it wasn't chink niggers then it was illegal alien labor fucking off to do something else and letting the boiler explode.
 
We've had an insane amount of plant explosions during Biden that tell me it was most likely Chink saboteurs doing it.
The only Black Powder plant blowing up and a lot of forgeries blowing up but then we were seeing weird things blowing up like industrial chicken plants and farms and meat processing plants. If it wasn't chink niggers then it was illegal alien labor fucking off to do something else and letting the boiler explode.
Probally illegal labor, the chinks don't have to do anything with how incompetent the illegals are.
 
ok, wait. explain your argument here. so.. do you support conversion therapy? do you support legal adults getting married?
At this point I support putting fags to the torch, that's what. Conversion therapy, well now, what do you call the rainbow propaganda (up to & including outright pornographic 'memoirs' & instruction manuals) being shoved into schools, or all these LGBTP+ cunts trying to troon out kids and pimping them out to predators in & out of drag?

And sure I support one man and one woman legally marrying as has been the case for thousands of years, things like property/inheritance & visitation rights are tied up with that contract. Not two fags or two dykes though, to the closet or the pyre with them, and I very much doubt you have anything to say that I haven't heard about this issue sometime over the past 20 years so I think all you'll accomplish if you try to change my mind on this subject will be, ultimately, to waste both our time.
like I get the slippery slope argument but dude, there's a really clear line between pedophilia and some 35 year olds getting married.
Oh yes, that line's so clear it's transparent. It's obvious to anyone with eyes that the latter were the friendly face paving the road for the former, NAMBLA just went underground because of bad press but they haven't given up, just looked for better masks with which to hide their unchanging goals as they maneuver towards said goalposts and it's not surprise really, if you've ever looked into 'queer theory' which provides their movement with its intellectual undergirding & direction (James Lindsay is a fag in his own way, but he did pretty good entry-level explorations of queer theory back in the day) they ultimately just really want to rape kids and to subvert/destroy every society that won't allow them to rape kids, always have.

Well fuck that, fuck the queers and fuck anyone enabling them. They've never argued in good faith, when given inches they would take a mile and when not given inches (ex. that time even fucking California voted down gay marriage with Prop 8 ) they used fag judges to nullify the very same Sacred Democracy™ they tried to put Trump supporters in 1 million years' dungeon for supposedly disrespecting, so burn them all. The last thing they deserve now is any consideration of their words or professed intentions, if the last two decades have told us nothing, those are worth less than the breath taken to utter them.
 

Supreme Court formally asked to overturn landmark same-sex marriage ruling​

Ten years after the Supreme Court extended marriage rights to same-sex couples nationwide, the justices this fall will consider for the first time whether to take up a case that explicitly asks them to overturn that decision.

Kim Davis, the former Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for six days in 2015 after refusing to issue marriage licenses to a gay couple on religious grounds, is appealing a $100,000 jury verdict for emotional damages plus $260,000 for attorneys fees.

In a petition for writ of certiorari filed last month, Davis argues First Amendment protection for free exercise of religion immunizes her from personal liability for the denial of marriage licenses.

More fundamentally, she claims the high court's decision in Obergefell v Hodges -- extending marriage rights for same-sex couples under the 14th Amendment's due process protections -- was "egregiously wrong."

"The mistake must be corrected," wrote Davis' attorney Mathew Staver in the petition. He calls Justice Anthony Kennedy's majority opinion in Obergefell "legal fiction."


The petition appears to mark the first time since 2015 that the court has been formally asked to overturn the landmark marriage decision. Davis is seen as one of the only Americans currently with legal standing to bring a challenge to the precedent.

"If there ever was a case of exceptional importance," Staver wrote, "the first individual in the Republic's history who was jailed for following her religious convictions regarding the historic definition of marriage, this should be it."

Lower courts have dismissed Davis' claims and most legal experts consider her bid a long shot. A federal appeals court panel concluded earlier this year that the former clerk "cannot raise the First Amendment as a defense because she is being held liable for state action, which the First Amendment does not protect."

Davis, as the Rowan County Clerk in 2015, was the sole authority tasked with issuing marriage licenses on behalf of the government under state law.

"Not a single judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals showed any interest in Davis's rehearing petition, and we are confident the Supreme Court will likewise agree that Davis's arguments do not merit further attention," said William Powell, attorney for David Ermold and David Moore, the now-married Kentucky couple that sued Davis for damages, in a statement to ABC News.


A renewed campaign to reverse legal precedent​

Davis' appeal to the Supreme Court comes as conservative opponents of marriage rights for same-sex couples pursue a renewed campaign to reverse legal precedent and allow each state to set its own policy.

At the time Obergefell was decided in 2015, 35 states had statutory or constitutional bans on same-sex marriages, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Only eight states had enacted laws explicitly allowing the unions.

So far in 2025, at least nine states have either introduced legislation aimed at blocking new marriage licenses for LGBTQ people or passed resolutions urging the Supreme Court to reverse Obergefell at the earliest opportunity, according to the advocacy group Lambda Legal.

In June, the Southern Baptist Convention -- the nation's largest Protestant Christian denomination -- overwhelmingly voted to make "overturning of laws and court rulings, including Obergefell v. Hodges, that defy God's design for marriage and family" a top priority.

Support for equal marriage rights softening​

While a strong majority of Americans favor equal marriage rights, support appears to have softened in recent years, according to Gallup -- 60% of Americans supported same-sex marriages in 2015, rising to 70% support in 2025, but that level has plateaued since 2020.


Among Republicans, support has notably dipped over the past decade, down from 55% in 2021 to 41% this year, Gallup found.


Davis' petition argues the issue of marriage should be treated the same way the court handled the issue of abortion in its 2022 decision to overturn Roe v Wade. She zeroes in on Justice Clarence Thomas' concurrence in that case, in which he explicitly called for revisiting Obergefell.

The justices "should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell," Thomas wrote at the time, referring to the landmark decisions dealing with a fundamental right to privacy, due process and equal protection rights.

"It is hard to say where things will go, but this will be a long slog considering how popular same-sex marriage is now," said Josh Blackman, a prominent conservative constitutional scholar and professor at South Texas College of Law.

Blackman predicts many members of the Supreme Court's conservative majority would want prospective challenges to Obergefell to percolate in lower courts before revisiting the debate.


The court is expected to formally consider Davis' petition this fall during a private conference when the justices discuss which cases to add to their docket. If the case is accepted, it would likely be scheduled for oral argument next spring and decided by the end of June 2026. The court could also decline the case, allowing a lower court ruling to stand and avoid entirely the request to revisit Obergefell.

"Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett seem wildly uninterested. Maybe Justice Neil Gorsuch, too," said Sarah Isgur, an ABC News legal analyst and host of the legal podcast Advisory Opinions.

"There is no world in which the court takes the case as a straight gay marriage case," Isgur added. "It would have to come up as a lower court holding that Obergefell binds judges to accept some other kind of non-traditional marital arrangement."

Ruling wouldn't invalidate existing marriages​

If the ruling were to be overturned at some point in the future, it would not invalidate marriages already performed, legal experts have pointed out. The 2022 Respect for Marriage Act requires the federal government and all states to recognize legal marriages of same-sex and interracial couples performed in any state -- even if there is a future change in the law.

Davis first appealed the Supreme Court in 2019 seeking to have the damages suit against her tossed out, but her petition was rejected. Conservative Justices Thomas and Samuel Alito concurred with the decision at the time.

"This petition implicates important questions about the scope of our decision in Obergefell, but it does not cleanly present them," Thomas wrote in a statement.

Many LGBTQ advocates say they are apprehensive about the shifting legal and political landscape around marriage rights.

There are an estimated 823,000 married same-sex couples in the U.S., including 591,000 that wed after the Supreme Court decision in June 2015, according to the Williams Institute at UCLA Law School. Nearly one in five of those married couples is parenting a child under 18.

Since the Obergefell decision, the makeup of the Supreme Court has shifted rightward, now including three appointees of President Donald Trump and a 6-justice conservative supermajority.

Chief Justice John Roberts, among the current members of the court who dissented in Obergefell a decade ago, sharply criticized the ruling at the time as "an act of will, not legal judgment" with "no basis in the Constitution." He also warned then that it "creates serious questions about religious liberty."

Davis invoked Roberts' words in her petition to the high court, hopeful that at least four justices will vote to accept her case and hear arguments next year.

 
Harmeet Dhillon (ethnically Sikh conservative lawyer currently serving as the Assistant US Attorney for Civil Rights) just crashed out over X users demanding more residencies for American med students instead of importing foreign doctors like her father:
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Context is the reaction to this tweet:
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She's getting destroyed in the replies:
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"My father is a good doctor, therefore all foreign-born doctors are good":
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Whenever she can't come up with an argument, she calls people bots and blocks them:
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yea, that kinda turned me around on gay marriage. like come on, who gives a actual fuck if two men are over 18, consenting, and want to get married.
That same logic can be applied to pretty much all contracts that are void for public policy, except for those applying to minors or invalids. Which is where this line of logic fails: if we legalize gay marriage contracts on the basis of “consenting adults should be able to enter into contracts” as an absolute maxim, then there is no reasonable means to object to contracts for prostitution, for polygamy, for one party to kill the other, for offensively usurious loans, for taking away vidya, performing trans surgeries, harvesting organs, etc.
Hell, depending on how far you want to push the line of logic, you can theoretically take it to require abolishing a fair number of criminal laws too.
And if we want to limit it to the domain of just “marriage,” then that requires admitting that marriage is something unique from all those other contracts, which undermines the premise that marriage is just another contractual relationship.

Just for context, I actually don’t disagree with the idea that many of the benefits of marriage, such as visitation rights, death benefits, etc should be freely contactable. But the line of logic that this should be the case because “consenting adults should be free to contract” is a poor one.
 
More protests in DC that amount to them crying 'NOOOoooo you can't do that' as that is all they know how to do. Lose an election? Cry. Nigger breaks in and steals your shit? Cry. Someone disagrees with you? More crying. The only thing they know how to do is cry and tie something back to Trump to screech about, functionally improving their lives in any meaningful way never crosses the mind of the perpetual victim. It always impresses me how much of niggercattle most the protestors are as they get force fed journoslop to be angry over.
 
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