"angry" gamers/critics

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Baldur's Gait said:
There's somebody I know who refuses to watch it because of its violence against women.

I mean it's not like the men are treated any better.
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Jesse's girlfriend getting shot and the knife fight with Skyler?

That's the only violence against women I can think of (active stuff anyway).
 
friedshrimp said:
Tumblr hates Game of Thrones cause "misogyny" and maybe Doug has read enough tumblr posts to get his brain washed.

I have no idea what issues could he and tumblr have with breaking Bad, though.
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Most people I know who have issues with Breaking Bad hate it because "racism". Mostly referring to stereotypical/underwritten characters of color, the "mighty whitey" trope, Hank's racial humor going uncriticized by the narrative, etc. Lots of minor shit, really. Which, like, the premise should clue you in that a morally-grey show centered on a white family ensnared in the drug trade in the Southwestern US might by default be a bit "racially insensitive", no?
 
Magnum Dong said:
Most people I know who have issues with Breaking Bad hate it because "racism". Mostly referring to stereotypical/underwritten characters of color, the "mighty whitey" trope, Hank's racial humor going uncriticized by the narrative, etc. Lots of minor shit, really. Which, like, the premise should clue you in that a morally-grey show centered on a white family ensnared in the drug trade in the Southwestern US might by default be a bit "racially insensitive", no?
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There's a great bit a lot of people seem to forget or overlook when Hank goes to El Paso. He tries making his racist Mexican jokes and the other DEA agents look down on him for being a racist loudmouth. Then when he goes back to Albuquerque you can see his old team laughing at his jokes because they're his friends. The point the show makes is that Hank is back in his element with people he's friendly with as opposed to the cold professionalism in El Paso and it makes us, the audience feel a little better for Hank who just went through some pretty awful shit.
If you're dealing with a show involving drug cartels, then it should be no surprise that the cartels are going to be Mexicans.
 
Which is interesting to note, Doug thinks a series that treats the drug subject in a realistic manner think it's "problematic" compared to an idealistic uwu lesbian rocks fantasy.

He's really weird when it comes to his opinions, he likes things when they are "darker" (Empire Strikes Back" but Game of Thrones/Breaking Bad are not as good as the shitty tumblr space cartoon.
 
friedshrimp said:
He's really weird when it comes to his opinions, he likes things when they are "darker" (Empire Strikes Back" but Game of Thrones/Breaking Bad are not as good as the shitty tumblr space cartoon.
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You know what annoys me about the DCU? There were all these complaints about Man of Steel and Batman V Superman over how dark they were. Yet critics are fine if Batman is dark but they have a huge problem if Superman is dark.

That seems to be the main point of contention with the critics. Superman is not allowed to kill and 9/11 imagery is not okay in a movie with Superman in it. But 9/11 imagery is fine in monster/disaster movies like Cloverfield or the new Godzilla.
 
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BrunoMattei said:
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You know what annoys me about the DCU? There were all these complaints about Man of Steel and Batman V Superman over how dark they were. Yet critics are fine if Batman is dark but they have a huge problem if Superman is dark.

That seems to be the main point of contention with the critics. Superman is not allowed to kill and 9/11 imagery is not okay in a movie with Superman in it. But 9/11 imagery is fine in monster/disaster movies like Cloverfield or the new Godzilla.
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I think it's mainly because Batman being dark is the expected tone people think when it comes to him since it's how he's written for the most part. Same with Superman being more lighthearted; he has primarily been that way for a long time in the mainstream. They can sometimes be done well with the opposite brush, but it more often than either falls flat due to bad writing/direction, or comes off as out of character and turns off the audience.

Though if we're doing darkish Supes, let me sperg and show pretty much the best example of him both going dark:
And his explanation for why he didn't want to go that route:

It can be done very well, but it clashes with what you expect, and it's so easy to fuck it up.
 
This is of course why he seems annoyed at doing his job, why he only seemed to bring trepidation and fear wherever he went, and why his parents told him to be a selfish shit and not inconvenience them with being a hero and getting people to talk. Both films were given to a man who cannot understand the character at all due to buying into essentially the most selfish philosophy possible and preferring a purely edgy style over substance.

Superman can be written darkly well, but not by Zach Snyder.

To get back into Doug though, since opinions be opinions, I do find it particularly stupid that he's trying to force kids shows to appeal to the wrong age bracket. He vaguely gets that a good kids event has a bit extra for everyone, but trying purely to be highminded and/or dark and complex kind of means it failed at being a kid's show.
 
Adamska said:
To get back into Doug though, since opinions be opinions, I do find it particularly stupid that he's trying to force kids shows to appeal to the wrong age bracket. He vaguely gets that a good kids event has a bit extra for everyone, but trying purely to be highminded and/or dark and complex kind of means it failed at being a kid's show.
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I could rebuff a whole bunch of those points, not saying you're wrong but there is a level of interpretation that can go both ways, which is why both films are so divisive. But doing so would be spergy and even more off topic. But I will make the suggestion that this is a different Superman and you're comparing the MoS Superman to the Christopher Reeve-era. It's kind of like comparing the Dark Knight Returns or Nolan Batman to the Silver Age or Adam West Batman. A lot of the same pieces are there but each interpretation is a different character.

ANYWHO!

On your second point, you have to keep in mind that Doug just wants to be argumentative to create more content. I don't think he believes every single thing he say's. He knows when to stoke a fire or stretch when he might need to.

That said, I can think of one example of kiddie show that did successfully go dark and that was the older Teen Titans cartoon. By season 3 that show definitely explored some dark places.
 
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And the Teen Titans was based on a very melodramatic, definitely more for an older audiences comic (we're talking here about men sleeping with underage women, drugs...).

As for Doug, I don't think why he panders to the tumblr/SJW crowd when he also doesn't like them. I guess since they're massive consumerist idiots, they'll listen to him once he shows them he's on "their" side?
 
As we are now sperging about the best death of the joker now, I gotta agree with those that bring up his death in TDKR. It is so well done. You see all the anger and hate that Batman has for the joker in this scene. How much he loath him and himself for letting him stay alive, which lead to more and more people getting killed.
 
How would Looney Tunes be anyone's guilty pleasure? Loonatics Unleashed, I can see, but the classics?
 
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