Magic The Gathering

[Maratus volans]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

IT'S UP

No Bans in Legacy is wild. RIP to the dozen people still grinding that format, I hope Oops All Spells wins Eternal Weekend.

I wasn't expecting them to do anything in Standard, maybe just hit CSC, but they took off and nuked the entire site from orbit. Good for them, I guess. The modern game is still a putrid puddle of liquid shit, but at least they're trying (a little bit).

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Nature appears to be healing (Bo1 because all the data sites suck ass and untapped.gg is the least bad but I'm not giving them money)


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[Stains Davidson]

I think roots is going to have a singular month of being positioned fantastically until Tyvar dies.

 

[alogatog]

I hope not, Eldrazi are a cancer

Something something lore accurate

Absolutely wild that for the first time in ages, WOTC manages to actually ban cards in a way that improves the health a format. Sucks that standard is still dead and gay.

A broken clock is right once a decade, I guess

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I dont know who the guy in this thumbnail is, but he looks like a mole rat

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Something something lore accurate

In both lore and gameplay.

Discount HP lovecraft has no place in a setting like magic.

 

[alogatog]

In both lore and gameplay.

Discount HP lovecraft has no place in a setting like magic.

With all due respect, to the chopping block.
in all seriousness though, eldrazi to me are some of the most iconic mtg things.
We have robots and machines on Dominaria since the start, not even starting with how fucking weird the phyrexians first were. Why not eldrazi?
Perhaps it’s because I started with magic when pre-omenpaths, post-planeswalkers, so I see mtg as a series of varied settings, and to me, eldrazi slots perfectly into that.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

With all due respect, to the chopping block.
in all seriousness though, eldrazi to me are some of the most iconic mtg things.
We have robots and machines on Dominaria since the start, not even starting with how fucking weird the phyrexians first were. Why not eldrazi?
Perhaps it’s because I started with magic when pre-omenpaths, post-planeswalkers, so I see mtg as a series of varied settings, and to me, eldrazi slots perfectly into that.

Because the Eldrazi are so massively overpowered lore wise the ONLY way for them to not win is by retard bullshit.

Why did Emrakul not destroy innistrad? Because it just decided not to.

Why did Nissa and Chandra win against Ulamog and Kozilek? Well because the plot said so (at least that had Ugin involved in the set up)

Phyrexia did not work as a villain last time around by the way. Phyrexia 1 worked because it was a plane vs a plane. Phyrexia had 9 thousand years of preparation to invade Dominaria.

New Phyrexia has been around for less than a century, then tried to invade the entire multiverse at once....and lost on every single front except 2 because despite the preators being powerful... every plane has some Top Dog Beings that match them.

Etali gets Compleated? You have 4 other Elder Dinos of equal power and 1 that is stronger.

Heliod gets compleated? you have a dozen other gods of equal power.

Shit the entire invasion was doomed from the start because Realm Breaker hit the meditation Realm with 2 Elder Dragons that can wipe out a planets worth of life.

With the fact that Zhalfir overlayed on New Phyrexia that means that New Phyrexia is the size of a single country in terms of mass..Elesh Norn had zero chance of Victory.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Remember when any ban was a big deal and cards were balanced instead of having multiple bans every Type 2 rotation? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

 

[Barry Convex]

Thrilled to see one of the mice and Cori-Steel Cutter banned, mono-red aggro is fucking cancer (sometimes its benign). Would have been fine if they left Monstrous Rage around until it rotated, but, this is a huge improvement. Whoever created CSC needs to be dragged behind the woodshed.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Remember when any ban was a big deal and cards were balanced instead of having multiple bans every Type 2 rotation? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

I guess? That ship sailed during the combo winter bannings or the affinity bannings though.

 

[Retink Retunk]

I guess? That ship sailed during the combo winter bannings or the affinity bannings though.

Those were both outliers and shocking when they happened. Wizards even did their best to avoid banning anything before finally caving in and making the bans with the whole of R&D being threatened with termination if they did it again which is why Masques block was so weak. Now every single Standard format has had a comparable ban list of cards for years now.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Those were both outliers and shocking when they happened. Wizards even did their best to avoid banning anything before finally caving in and making the bans with the whole of R&D being threatened with termination if they did it again which is why Masques block was so weak. Now every single Standard format has had a comparable ban list of cards for years now.

Don't really agree, yes this was a pretty big ban but it mostly happened because of two things. First they keep trying to value fun draft formats over constructed. Second, they are trying to push aggro.

I think since Kaldheim standard we've averaged less than 2 bans a year with this one being the outlier. And aside for the 2 generically powerful value engines (mirror breaker and bankbuster) they mostly happened because RnD pet decked too close to the sun and made decent but not great decks in formats that otherwise looked like jumpstart sets (monoblack midrange w/ despair and meathook and Izzet dragon/turns)

They stopped banning shit and pumped more power into the format which is probably good but they also tried to soft rotate red decks with new better cards for like 5 sets because some aggro retard is allowed to design cards unimpeded.

I don't really disagree that they fucked up I'm just saying there was like 4 years between Zendikar and Thunder Junction that don't really fit with your narrative

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Don't really agree, yes this was a pretty big ban but it mostly happened because of two thing. First they keep trying to value fun draft formats over constructed. Second, they are trying to push aggro.

I think since Kaldheim standard we've averaged less than 2 bans a year with this one being the outlier. And aside for the 2 generically powerful value engines (mirror breaker and bankbuster) they mostly happened because RnD pet decked too close to the sun and made decent but not great decks in formats that otherwise looked like jumpstart sets (monoblack midrange w/ despair and meathook and Izzet dragon/turns)

They stopped banning shit and pumped more power into the format which is probably good but they also tried to soft rotate red decks with new better cards for like 5 sets because some aggro retard is allowed to design cards unimpeded.

I don't really disagree that they fucked up I'm just saying there was like 4 years between Zendikar and Thunder Junction that don't really fit with your narrative

Note Meathook only got the bullet because Aggro Back then was so mediocre that Meathook alone killed the deck.

 

[AnotherPleb]

The shift in ban mentality really started with the Kaladesh block bans.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The shift in ban mentality really started with the Kaladesh block bans.

And that Era was terribly weak.

They like legit have learned nothing over the years.

Stop fucking around with Mana Costs, Stop Printing shit that does things just for playing the game and stop fucking around with the Graveyard for free.

 

[00R-Gundam]

Saw shit got banned, whats the general consensus of the community?

Nature appears to be healing (Bo1 because all the data sites suck ass and untapped.gg is the least bad but I'm not giving them money)
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Thats Bosh and Roll, i occasionally watch him since i believe hes a good player and gives me background noise. Sadly hes been shouting some paypig deck submission that always has the note "Trans life matters" and that takes me out of it, but overall good content.

 

[Retink Retunk]

I think since Kaldheim standard we've averaged less than 2 bans a year with this one being the outlier.

Outside of big busts like Urza's and Mirrodin the ban average used to be 0 a year. But it's not just Standard, just look at something like Modern, every time they print a Horizons set the featured cards get banned like Hogaak, the evoke elementals, and now Nadu and other random crap from MH3.

But wait, there's more. They printed a whole mechanic in Companion that had to be functionally changed from how it was printed on the card to avoid banning all of them and some are still banned.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Outside of big busts like Urza's and Mirrodin the ban average used to be 0 a year. But it's not just Standard, just look at something like Modern, every time they print a Horizons set the featured cards get banned like Hogaak, the evoke elementals, and now Nadu and other random crap from MH3.

We also print 5 times the amount of cards per year.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Outside of big busts like Urza's and Mirrodin the ban average used to be 0 a year. But it's not just Standard, just look at something like Modern, every time they print a Horizons set the featured cards get banned like Hogaak, the evoke elementals, and now Nadu and other random crap from MH3.

But wait, there's more. They printed a whole mechanic in Companion that had to be functionally changed from how it was printed on the card to avoid banning all of them and some are still banned.

Modern Horizons is simply WOTC's way to rotate Modern and it has been since MH1.

 

[Flexo]

Modern Horizons is simply WOTC's way to rotate Modern and it has been since MH1.

Ironically everytime you hear MaRo talk about it (like on a recent podcast about power levels) he claims MH1 was originally a Time Spiral 2 set.