Zoomer Kiwi Central / Serious Gen Z Discussion - A place for Zoomers to have a discussion about the Gen Z and their future

[liam dees]

That's without getting into the effects of online pornography at a young age.

Guess who suffered from EPI at the age of 9! Sure I only stumbled onto porn when I was messing around on the family laptop but it's led me down a painful path that I still struggle to escape its grasps.
I honestly don't think I'm strong enough for this world. I get self-defeated really easily and it's easier to just laze and doom-scroll all day. I'm not giving up, just wanted to say I struggle with this stuff, and I hope none of the people reading this are as pathetic as me. Since I'm here might as well rip the band-aid off and be the subject of ridicule.

 

[Audit]

I will confess without shame I cheated for my bullshit elective class, but she used the same multiple choice tests every year. One of the worst classes I've ever taken.

I swear GEP courses only exist to force students in actual degree programs to fund the fake fields of study. Electives are bullshit and I wish I could have elected not to take them.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

Guess who suffered from EPI at the age of 9! Sure I only stumbled onto porn when I was messing around on the family laptop but it's led me down a painful path that I still struggle to escape its grasps.
I honestly don't think I'm strong enough for this world. I get self-defeated really easily and it's easier to just laze and doom-scroll all day. I'm not giving up, just wanted to say I struggle with this stuff, and I hope none of the people reading this are as pathetic as me. Since I'm here might as well rip the band-aid off and be the subject of ridicule.

I have never understood EPI too well. I first saw porn at an age similar to you, and I cried to my mom for like 5 minutes and then forgot about it for the most part. However, I've seen some stories where people developed porn addictions at the age that I was at or even younger, and I'm just left confused. How is it even possible to find pornography as anything but gross (and maybe a bit funny) at that age?

 

[liam dees]

I have never understood EPI too well. I first saw porn at an age similar to you, and I cried to my mom for like 5 minutes and then forgot about it for the most part. However, I've seen some stories where people developed porn addictions at the age that I was at or even younger, and I'm just left confused. How is it even possible to find pornography as anything but gross (and maybe a bit funny) at that age?

I was aroused and too scared to tell my parents. It was a very private, taboo part that I couldn't let anyone know about. But without my parents knowing or stopping me, viewing such content became a habit, then an addiction. I was on Reddit starting from the age of 13, you can imagine the rest.

I am ashamed of myself, and disquieted at the normalisation of homosexuality and "transgenderism" on the Internet.

 

[The Amazing Mongrel]

Cool thread so far.

Does anyone else feel like they never meet people "our age" around? While growing up my friends were usually older than I was. My time in higher education was also pretty isolated, and I didn't retain any meaningful relationships; it felt like people were very insular and exclusionary, the total opposite of the idea of the "college experience" I had been sold (granted a big part of that was the coof.) Now I work with people either somewhat older, like late 30's, or significantly older than I am. The gym is older dudes and moms with kids. Church is families and old people. Now I'm meeting a lot of people younger than I am, but I never left the mindset of "everybody is older than I am." I feel like I missed something.

For reference, I'm 24. I don't live in a booming metropolis, but I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm lucky to hang on to a few close childhood and internet friends, but I still feel unfulfilled on an interpersonal level despite not being an extrovert. I'm familiar with the "Gen Z sits at home and rots" narrative, but I don't know how true it is. Does anyone else relate? Where do y'all hang out?

Spoiler: Generational Sperging

I mostly reject the whole "generation" thing as some Reddit bullshit to make people feel quirky and unique. People are born every second and I think it's stupid to arbitrarily chop them up into cute little marketable divisions. Anything good we have is because of sacrifices made by those who came before us. We can learn something from everyone.

That being said, if I buy into the manufactured archetypes ...

I really fucking hate Millennials. They take every opportunity to shit all over Boomers (and now us, frequently) and yet buy into long-gone historical realities, preaching that a degree and an office job is some magical path to a perfect life, relationship, kids, house, cars, vacations, etc. Then they act aggrieved when they're drowning in debt, unhappy, and unhealthy, yet they won't change anything. They take out their misery on everyone else with their insufferable, milquetoast liberal politics, Instagram addiction, leased Hyundais, and snotty attitudes -- all with a carefully cultivated corporate email persona. They'll never buck up and try to fix their lives, rather fixating on things they can't control. They screech on Reddit, sass their fellow cubicle cucks, and abort their children, their every life decision an intentional "fuck you mom/dad" while still being willing slaves to the system.

They act like things were supposed to be perfect. "I'm so tired of living through historical events." Like bitch, "historical events" happen all the time. I think we live in a pretty peaceful time compared to the World Wars, or even the Cold War. Yes, times have changed. We don't get the roaring economies of the Silents, Boomers, or early Millennials. We get inflated currency, sky-high interest rates, insane regulations, and all but our very oxygen taxed to death. They may acknowledge that a basket weaving degree and a cubicle cuck position won't cut it, but they won't even try to fix it.

Imo I hate the stereotypical millennial than the stereotypical boomer. It does make me happy as an older Zoomer (1998 ) to see the younger Zoomers born post 2000 reject the idea of college and go for trades/entrepreneur. Student debt is still a massive problem but at least it seems we aren't all following the lemmings in front of us off the cliff.

W take. Try trade school. Try starting a business. Try not pissing off your parents with divisive moral grandstanding over issues that don't affect you. Try not trading your hometown for the shiny suburbs. Try genuinely liking someone instead of first-date-fucking the most Instagrammable person within a half-mile radius of your $2,600/month apartment. Try at least talking to God even if you're skeptical. You always have the choice to read the room and not make retard-tier decisions.

NOBODY EVER SAID LIFE WOULD BE EASY. Give thanks for the good, focus on what you can fix, ignore the rest!!!

 

[Nome]

Does anyone else feel like they never meet people "our age" around? While growing up my friends were usually older than I was.

This is something I've experienced for the grand majority of my life. Of course it doesn't help that I live in what is easily the most geriatric part of my city, nearly all of my neighbors are elderly citizens, and it's been like this for quite a long time now. Because of this I usually have some difficulty when it comes to relating to peers of my age with something like, say, politics - a lot of the views I've adopted are similar to the ones held by older citizens, rather than by younger ones. Nevertheless I've still made many friends my age (and older as well) but I've always felt that I had a more "strong" connection to my older friends than to my young friends.

Church is families and old people.

It's the exact same around here. Mass is composed primarily of 70+ elders. I'd wager that less than 20% of the people attending Mass every Sunday in my local Church are in the same age group/range as mine, but I feel like that this is starting to become the ordinary around the world. I've noticed that zoomers (my age and older) just don't really care about religion/spirituality all that much. It sucks but there's not much I can do.

I'm familiar with the "Gen Z sits at home and rots" narrative, but I don't know how true it is.

Depends. In bigger cities that narrative is 100% correct. People just don't like arranging/scheduling meet-ups in places like shopping malls or restaurants or whatever anymore. They'd much rather stay inside and do something like play vidya over VC on an app like Discord. I don't know how different it is for people who live in smaller cities/rural areas, but when it comes to rural areas it's probably far more common for kids to socialize in real life.

 

[Soso]

I swear GEP courses only exist to force students in actual degree programs to fund the fake fields of study. Electives are bullshit and I wish I could have elected not to take them.

Half of them were stuff like I already knew like a finance elective which basically came down to "Lol save money don't spend it on stupid shit retards", and the other half were absolutely worthless. To be fair, the last one I took was more on me fucking around and forgetting to register until the last few seconds otherwise I wouldn't have been in it. Ever had a nigger woman shout into a microphone, and loud speakers? That was 80% of my last elective. I wish I didn't have to take electives as well unless they had something do with my major, but most of them didn't.

To think I was curious about getting into academia at one point until my great uncle and my mentor professor discouraged me. Got told by my mentor professor before he went back to his country that it isn't worth it unless I learned another language and went to another country like his that wasn't affected by wokeness in his own words.

Does anyone else feel like they never meet people "our age" around?

Anyone my age tends to leave soon as possible for better pastures. My friends tend to be older, there's only one person that I work with who is around my age and he's only one year older than me. Everyone else is in their early thirties at the youngest. I still have friends around my age outside of work, but they are busy as they work in blue collar jobs, or have left the area or entire state. I don't see myself leaving, even though things are getting real expensive here, it's worse elsewhere. Only time I'm leaving if there's someone I love enough to leave.

For reference, I'm 24. I don't live in a booming metropolis, but I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm lucky to hang on to a few close childhood and internet friends, but I still feel unfulfilled on an interpersonal level despite not being an extrovert. I'm familiar with the "Gen Z sits at home and rots" narrative, but I don't know how true it is. Does anyone else relate? Where do y'all hang out?

Where I live is in that awkward place, we are too large to be a true small town, but not large enough to be a true city. And we lack any charm to be considered suburbia. It's classified as a city though. I will say we probably interact more than people in the large metro areas do, but there are many who sit at home, rot, take pills, and/or snort cocaine. It doesn't help some, especially poorer zoomers my age, came from very broken homes that were already broken since the industries left before we were born. Someone a bit younger than me overdosed earlier last month and I was really upset about it. I wasn't close to him, but I'm very close to his brother.

There's not many places for anyone our age to hang out since many places have closed, or are in shit conditions. The mall isn't worth going to as it's trashed up and is more than likely going to close since it has only a few stores left. Unless you want to attend a dementia seminar at the library, it's pretty much nothing. For me though, going on walks with friends whether at the park when tourist season is over, or in the forest, swimming at lakes, eating out together occasionally, all appeal to me and others my age. It's may not the most fun for some, but it brings us together.

 

[Sooty Soot]

Guess who suffered from EPI at the age of 9! Sure I only stumbled onto porn when I was messing around on the family laptop but it's led me down a painful path that I still struggle to escape its grasps.
I honestly don't think I'm strong enough for this world. I get self-defeated really easily and it's easier to just laze and doom-scroll all day. I'm not giving up, just wanted to say I struggle with this stuff, and I hope none of the people reading this are as pathetic as me. Since I'm here might as well rip the band-aid off and be the subject of ridicule.

This calls for an intervention.

 

[paperwork]

gen X bombing into this thread to say zoomers are some of the best people going and they give me hope for the future.

 

[Axiom.]

It's weird how much I love my generation and hate it due to them literally being the slogan: "Give me convenience or give me death". It's weird how Zoomers have "anxiety" and can be the most laziest, generic "laborers" I have ever seen. It's truly fascinating how you can see an entire group of people try their absolute hardest at doing absolutely nothing, it's unreal.

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

My grandpa brought this up to me a few days ago but is it just me or are the vast majority of male zooms either completely indifferent to politics or right leaning? I feel like the only fellas I come across that are deranged leftists are female. You can usually tell immediately when you see them. Usually some combination of awful dyed hair/piercings, emo makeup, librarian glasses, and horrible choice of clothing.

I guess that's how all deranged leftist women look but it seems like overall zooms are much more level headed than the previous few generations.

 

[The Amazing Mongrel]

It's truly fascinating how you can see an entire group of people try their absolute hardest at doing absolutely nothing, it's unreal.

My theory is that our generation needs to believe in something to put effort towards it. If there's nothing to believe in, no clear path to a better wage, personal growth or advancement, respect in your community, etc., your point is correct. Myself included, I think we collectively tend to be very all-or-nothing.

I would contrast this with (stereotypical) boomers, who defiantly believe that hard work always results in something better, and millennials, who don't, but are more interested in outdoing one another and competing for oppression points.

I guess that's how all deranged leftist women look but it seems like overall zooms are much more level headed than the previous few generations.

I agree. I think a lot of older people lean heavily on virtue signalling and/or activism, whereas economic stagnation and an eroding social contract have prompted us to be marginally more objective, if not somewhat pragmatic.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Depends. In bigger cities that narrative is 100% correct. People just don't like arranging/scheduling meet-ups in places like shopping malls or restaurants or whatever anymore. They'd much rather stay inside and do something like play vidya over VC on an app like Discord. I don't know how different it is for people who live in smaller cities/rural areas, but when it comes to rural areas it's probably far more common for kids to socialize in real life.

Everyone is super flaky and never commits to plans. Always on the lookout for something better (this is also the mentality that ruined online dating , basically FOMO but everyone is worried what is over the next hilltop).

I used to actually be the organizer but since I stepped back from doing that, I haven't heard from some old friends in years.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

My grandpa brought this up to me a few days ago but is it just me or are the vast majority of male zooms either completely indifferent to politics or right leaning? I feel like the only fellas I come across that are deranged leftists are female. You can usually tell immediately when you see them. Usually some combination of awful dyed hair/piercings, emo makeup, librarian glasses, and horrible choice of clothing.

I guess that's how all deranged leftist women look but it seems like overall zooms are much more level headed than the previous few generations.

In my experience, most people don't care about politics too much, with the amount of right leaning and left leaning people being pretty much equal. The only people deranged about politics are people that won't ever shut the fuck up about it and have to have an opinion on everything.
That being said, identity politics/culture war nonsense is turning everything political, which is increasing the amount of deranged politspergs that never shut up. I'm not too political, but even I can tell that the people that get political due to identity politics/culture war stuff (both sides) are some of the most retarded people that are not only incapable of thinking for themselves, but also need to have an opinion on everything.

 

[liam dees]

This calls for an intervention.

Reading it right now. Pray for me lads

 

[Sooty Soot]

Reading it right now. Pray for me lads

As the book says, once you've read it and gone 2-3 weeks without porn, you'll look back and wonder about how you never stropped despite how easy it is. Make sure to highlight important parts or take notes, I can't stress enough how life changing it is.
Just remember: It's never too late.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Reading it right now. Pray for me lads

More broadly, the solution to holing up in a cave and hating yourself is to find meaning for your life. Whatever that meaning is is not important. Just so long as it is something external to you.

We live in a very selfish time, where culture tells us that the most important thing is our internal self. Which is not true. Who we are inside is a reflection of how others see us. If we know the people around us see a fuck up, then we know we are a fuck up. Saying otherwise to ourselves is simply delusional madness.

If you consider the teachings of Augustine, the secret to a good life is to properly orient yourself in the hierarchy of the universe. Above all love God. From this righteous love you can then descend and place a love for your people, who are with God, your friends and family who God made you for and them for you, and at the very bottom, you. Who God made. To serve as part of the greater whole leading all the way back up to God.

Humility is of course being the primary facet. Understanding that you are not the center of the Universe. Then understanding that what you do is as much reflection on you as everyone around you. Do you enrich the lives of those to whome you are entwined or do you make their lives worse? Understanding your role in this dynamic is the key. Does your life have meaning? Absolutely, so long as your life adds something to the lives around you.

This is very much against the modern culture that teaches all lives have meaning irrespective of whether or not they serve to make things good, rather then harm. But these who live lives of sin cannot escape the knowledge of their inadequacy. What sets the fallen apart from the saved is those who acknowledge their sins and seek to move away from them.

 

[Soycast Guy]

Guess who suffered from EPI at the age of 9! Sure I only stumbled onto porn when I was messing around on the family laptop but it's led me down a painful path that I still struggle to escape its grasps.
I honestly don't think I'm strong enough for this world. I get self-defeated really easily and it's easier to just laze and doom-scroll all day. I'm not giving up, just wanted to say I struggle with this stuff, and I hope none of the people reading this are as pathetic as me. Since I'm here might as well rip the band-aid off and be the subject of ridicule.

Probably a really fucked up power-level here, but I first got introduced to porn at the age of 5. This was by complete accident though and I was on the family computer. It freaked me out and I told my cousin who was babysitting me at the time. Turns out I looked up a toy website that had a very similar name to the one I was intending to look up. Worst thing about it? It was homo shit.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

Does anyone else feel like they never meet people "our age" around? While growing up my friends were usually older than I was.

Yes. Coof, was responsible for a huge chunk of that. Its uncommon for me to see Gen Z hang out in public. They hang out in virtual spaces like discord, vidya or social media.
Only times I see a reliably large congregation of Gen Z are concerts and festivals, TikTok trendy restaurants and cafes, the yuppie-post-grad areas of town, certain gyms, and large parks when its nice out.

male zooms either completely indifferent to politics or right leaning? I feel like the only fellas I come across that are deranged leftists are female. You can usually tell immediately when you see them.

Theres a massive gender gap with zoomers thats been growing. Early theories suggest some combination of the male-hate that ramped up during the 2010s, the left abandoning men from their platform, and the positive feedback loops of the algorithm driving more of each gender into their own echo chambers. Its a slow simmering for disaster.

Young men and women are taking the 'gender gap' to staggering new levels​

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[Space Police]

My grandpa brought this up to me a few days ago but is it just me or are the vast majority of male zooms either completely indifferent to politics or right leaning?

I wouldn't say that. I'm on Kiwi Farms but I'm left leaning. As I said, centrists and chudcels are far less tolerable than leftists. It's grating to have to hear people defend Trump and the "based" conservatives and culture warriors.

In my experience, most people don't care about politics too much, with the amount of right leaning and left leaning people being pretty much equal. The only people deranged about politics are people that won't ever shut the fuck up about it and have to have an opinion on everything.
That being said, identity politics/culture war nonsense is turning everything political, which is increasing the amount of deranged politspergs that never shut up. I'm not too political, but even I can tell that the people that get political due to identity politics/culture war stuff (both sides) are some of the most retarded people that are not only incapable of thinking for themselves, but also need to have an opinion on everything.

Communists (actual ones, not online political compass LARPers) have some pretty interesting ideas and opinions, so I don't mind their politisperging. Liberals don't politisperg much outside Reddit; the whiny free Palestine idiots are a very small minority.

Theres a massive gender gap with zoomers thats been growing. Early theories suggest some combination of the male-hate that ramped up during the 2010s, the left abandoning men from their platform, and the positive feedback loops of the algorithm driving more of each gender into their own echo chambers. Its a slow simmering for disaster.

I'd say the gender gap is because of porn addiction, a fact to which this thread is a testament. Who would want to go out with a gooner/consoomer drone?