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With a (questionable) W from James Drake, how would you rate season 5 of Fishtank?

  • 1 Star — Absolute disaster. Unwatchable, boring, production fucked it up bad, the fish were lame

    Votes: 56 7.2%
  • 2 Stars — Pretty bad. Some funny moments, dragged, too many vibe repair days. Barely worth checking.

    Votes: 89 11.5%
  • 3 Stars — Average. Solid entertainment in spots, some good chaos and crashouts, but nothing special

    Votes: 176 22.7%
  • 4 Stars — Really good. Lots of hilarious moments, strong fish personalities, solid content and vibes

    Votes: 406 52.5%
  • 5 Stars — Peak Fishtank / Masterpiece. Non-stop insanity, legendary fish and production, pure chaos

    Votes: 47 6.1%

  • Total voters
    774
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Now that we've got a bit of downtime and it's been some time since the show ended, I thought I'd compile my thoughts on Season 3 and the contestants and how they compare to previous seasons. These are obviously just my opinions and much of this has been said in this thread already but I'm curious about what other people think of this season now that some time has passed and we aren't living S3 anymore.

Season Theme/Premise

After some time away from S3 and rewatching previous seasons via recent S3 contestant's reaction streams, I've come to the conclusion that I think the Famous House gaslight is similar to the Dog House idea from S2 in that it is a much better idea on paper than in execution.

Hindsight is of course 20/20, but watching the early days of previous seasons made me realize that S3 was the season with the most amount of time where the show didn't quite feel like Fishtank, and that's not just because of the RV arc. The idea of tricking normies into thinking they're on a reality show that turns into Fishtank is a funny concept, but it meant that for a lot of the season we were watching a crappy reality show imitation instead of Fishtank.

I definitely did still enjoy the early part of the season, but I think the FH 2.0 freeloaders instantly adapting to TTS showed that they probably could have still just got normies and started TTS/weird stuff from the beginning and ironically have a lower chance of walk offs than what they ended up with. That being said, I don't hold it against production for trying a new idea and it was an idea worth exploring.

It just didn't quite hit the mark in the end in my opinion.

Cast

I think unfortunately the S3 cast is probably overall the worst cast in Fishtank so far. This is not to say that some of the fish weren't good or entertaining - we got the greatest fish of all time after all.

However, it was extremely top heavy with a few ultra strong contestants carrying the rest which were either forgettable at best or terrible at the worst. In my estimation, a lot of this is due to them seemingly being casted for a normie reality TV show, which makes sense for the Famous House arc of the show. But at the end of the day the show is Fishtank, not Famous House, and it was easy to see from a mile away that most of these people were unsuitable for the Fishtank environment even if they didn't immediately leave on the reveal. Without Burt, it's hard to imagine what S3 would have looked like.

I think this cast was also far less likeable overall than previous seasons, viewers seemed less invested in their favourites because the cast were mostly fame chasing late 20's/early 30's wannabes instead of early 20's autistic goofs. Someone in Sneedchat also mentioned during the season (I think @attractive_pneumonia ) that the camera distance from the contestants faces compared to previous seasons could have played a part in them being less likeable and I tend to agree with that.

I've written a small blurb on each of the contestants below and given them a rating from S (best) to E (worst).

Burt - S

What more is there to say about Burt that hasn't been said already. The best Fishtank contestant we've ever seen and a once in a lifetime casting find, Burt was a pure content machine with or without TTS.

His delusions often were the main narrative of the show, and his willingness to engage with TTS and take in what the audience was saying to him made him endlessly entertaining. He was also a tough competitor, always putting in 100% to challenges such as the dance marathon and the cell challenge.

There was a period of time where I personally was getting a bit fatigued on Burt which was around the time before Frank showed up, but Frank was enough for him to break out of the loop and explore new territory. Investigations into Burt's life outside of the show were also just as entertaining as watching him on the show, with him being a perverted gay sex freak wannabe actor who is also allegedly an 160 IQ exam cheater revealed him to be a character even stranger than fiction.

I find it hard to imagine we will ever get someone like Burt again.

Luke - A

Luke in my opinion was the biggest victim of production this season. Going in as a plant, he expected that he would be entering Fishtank, a show where contestants fuck with each other and their shit, throw piss on each other and destroy the house while being mercilessly mocked and tormented by the audience.

Instead, what he got was a cast ostensibly as sensitive as the Big Brother audience and no direction from production or indication on timeline for how the show would progress. His first appearance did appear to be somewhat of a self immolation, but I contend that if he knew what was going on properly that would never have happened.

Since his return to the show was at the show's low point I'll sum up Luke by saying that what we did see of him was an extremely charismatic troublemaker, who was willing to mess with others and effortlessly played the fish against each other. He would have been an excellent contestant if it was just Fishtank the whole way through but I can't rate him higher than an A because we only saw him for a limited timeframe.

Alex B - A

Monkey King Cobra. Houston. Kentucky. Texas. Tik Tok. Tik Tok. Probably the first Fishtank contestant to truly be turned into a lolcow, Alex B is a deadbeat junky who is too retarded to stay sober for long enough to get seemingly hundreds of millions of dollars in inheritence.

Alex B was a lightning rod for drama, both from other fish and from the audience. His inability to identify when he is getting trolled led to one of the most iconic parts of the show so far - the Wild Randy gaslight - as well as his abusive hog wife coming and emasculating him for the whole internet to see. His crackhead energy was a constant source of entertainment on the show and elevated other more meek personalities surrounding him.

As is Fishtank tradition, production couldn't help themselves and piled on him with both Frank and his wife in a single day and while this was probably the greatest day in Fishtank history, it did eventually end with him leaving the show. That being said, by the time he walked out the door it did seem like he had produced all of the content that we could have got out of him without him looping endlessly. If he stayed longer and didn't loop as much as he did I probably would have rated him S.

Mizzy - B

Life is so Mizzy. I think Mizzy is a bit harder to rate because it seems like she's someone who is better and more entertaining post-show than she was on the show. She was the heel of the women for the majority of the show, was able to take the audience abuse and everyone attacking her better than would be expected and caught on to the true nature of the show before the others did.

However, there were a lot of times where she refused to fully compete in challenges and was annoying to watch early in the show. I do somewhat believe that if she understood the show before she came in she would have been more active but it's hard to judge how much of that is just her coping after the fact.

Overall she was the best female contestant this season.

Signal - B

It was very entertaining watching this jeet reinforce why racial stereotypes exist. Desperate, two faced, gropey and opportunistic, Signal embodied everything it means to be Indian.

One of my favorite Signal moments from the season was after being repeatedly called out for touching and groping the women whenever possible, during his apology Signal refused to acknowledge how his actions had impacted the women, instead worrying solely about his own career and how it would look and reflect on him. He didn't give a single fuck how they felt about what he was doing, only himself.

He was the main heel of the show and his continued immunity wins not only made him a constant character to concentrate hate upon, but it also did earn him a sliver of respect as well as staying in the game after his clothes were pissed on.

Do not redeem saar.

Binx - C

I think Binx is exactly the person who people accused Letty and Tayleigh of being. She is a chameleon who has no values or opinions of her own, and will immediately shapeshift to agree with whatever the majority position is on any given subject. Her purpose on the show was to milk the paypigs and nothing more.

Her unbothered attitude, which while technically a good strategy, made her extremely boring with no reactions to any negative TTS or anyone doing anything bad to her. She was constantly prodded by production to instigate conflict with the other fish but never complied, unless the group was already doing it (like when she dumped milk on Burt).

I will give her credit for at least attempting to talk the normies off a cliff after the reveal, and scheming to immediately vote out Signal during Famous House 2.0 was kino. But overall she was a very forgettable character and easily the worst final 2 contender we've had so far.

Payton - D

Self proclaimed nontent queen. Probably the most turbonormie of any of the contestants on the show, Payton started the show as a lackey of Alexis and Sneed and was the only one of the three to stick it out.

There were glimmers of hope with Payton after the reveal happened and she didn't leave, such as the Burt impersonation and sperging out and punching Frank when he touched a piece of her clothing.

But these were few and far between, with most of her existence on the show barely being an upgrade from Ian being on the couch. I will give her points for not leaving like the other normies did, but ultimately her presence was a big contributing factor to the show's late season decline.

Alexis - D

A busted single mother who spends all of her money on making herself look like a plastic doll and abandoned her kid to chase fame. Alexis and LaRon were basically the same person in my eyes.

They are both reality show-esque normies who were willing to form alliances and steal within the first few days of the show to progress them further in what they thought was the game. I think if she stuck around and fully bought into the show she could have been a decent contestant but since she bailed there's not much more to say.

LaRon - D

Much like Alexis, Sneed was a reality show normie. He came in thinking he would be the sassy black caricature but never actually did much of the sort or started any arguments.

Again, he could have potentially been interesting had he stuck around for the actual Fishtank part of the show but he didn't. I'm still giving him a higher rating than some of the others
because of the candy stealing.

Smaack - E

I struggle to think of a single memorable thing that Smaack did on the show, and I watched every day of S3. I guess you could say that her not showering would be a memorable thing she did. I know there were people simping over her in this thread and in Sneedchat but she really didn't do anything - positive or negative.

Ian - E

I think Ian might be the worst contestant ever seen on Fishtank. Not only did he not do anything of entertainment value except for the nigger argument with Jobe (which I would say is entirely credit to Jobe for continuing to push him), he barely interacted with the cast at all and was the equivilent of furniture.

There were some who loved the juxtaposition of this retarded spic sitting around doing nothing while the rest of the fish talked to each other and were active, but really all he did was take the place of someone else who would have been more entertaining.

Imagine if we got another Alex B, Burt, Luke, Jobe etc instead of this failure.

Ted - E

Another dreadful contestant, if Ian isn't the worst contestant ever then Ted definitely is. Ted provided no entertainment value whatsoever. All he did the entire show was play the male feminist role and do anything in his power to touch and grope the women.

I can't think of a single entertaining moment that Ted personally instigated. The only thing that was really funny that involved Ted was when Ted and Burt shared a bed, but that was totally predicated on Burt coming onto him so Ted was really just a prop.

Something of note with Ted, during Claire's recent interview with TJ she said that she had already met Ted in the S3 house during Bitchtank and that he was supposed to be on a previous season (I think she said S2? Can't remember) so even the idea that "Ted was a secret fan which production didn't know about" was also totally fake.

This loser knew exactly what Fishtank was and still all he did on the show was try to touch the women. Faggot.

Act 1: Famous House

Overall I would say that the first two weeks of the show were solid. The fish - being reality show normies - were outgoing and talkative which made the start of the season very entertaining from the first day instead of extremely awkward like it had been in previous seasons.

Learning about all of the cast - particularly Burt - was a lot of fun and I also really enjoyed the cast learning about "computer" and genuinely believing it was an AI which they were talking to. They all had great reactions to the TTS during this part of the show. There were no bad days, however I do want to add the caveat that much of this period did not feel like real Fishtank, and due to the Famous House gaslight, it was necessary to extend the "warmup" period of the season compared to previous seasons.

Act 2: Fishtank

I want to say that I really fucking hate the fact that Sam did the "Famous Neighbourhood" gaslight before he revealed that the show was actually Fishtank. This was the single biggest mistake of the show in the first four weeks. By doing this he immediately made the fish skeptical and uneasy as soon as they found out he was lying then too, and I think this is a big contributing factor to Alexis and Sneed walking. It was a stupid thing to blurt out for a fleeting laugh and really sewed distrust between the fish and production at a time where things were already rocky.

That being said, once things got going this period of the show was the peak of the season for me. We got a lot of the classic Fishtank challenges - which in my opinion they burned too quickly all in a row instead of spreading them out - and the full strength of the show was unleashed.

I do wish that they saved Frank for later in the show but given they were planning FH 2.0 from the start it makes sense they brought him on earlier, but generally Frank makes the fish become super reserved and defensive and should only be unleashed late game.

This period of the show had no bad days up until the end of the act where they spent like 3 days cleaning and doing nothing else, which was when the show first started to decline.

Act 3: Famous House 2.0

This is where things really started going off the rails. Jet alleges it was his plan from the start for it to go back to Famous House in the third act, but I really don't understand what he thought it this would actually look like. He kept saying things like "cool undercover spy thriller" and was certain that the fish would work together to take out the FH 2.0 freeloaders but hilariously the girls just conspired to immediately eliminate Signal.

I don't see how this idea could have possibly been entertaining even if they didn't yeet the jeet straight away as once again it just meant the show was no longer Fishtank and instead some shitty knockoff reality show. Brandon the pedophile's presence also immediately devastated what little likeability everyone except Luke had remaining as they all defended his child predation with fervor.

After 3 days all of the FH 2.0 freeloaders were booted due to the failure of this idea and that just left us in a limbo like we had in late S2. During this time we also sadly had Fatty forced upon us with him now at his lowest entertainment value of the entire series. The only value Fatty brings is as a punching bag and being the butt of the joke but that never happened except for maybe one moment. Instead, the audience is tortured by his power tripping, singing, voice impressions and general horrible personality which is completely irredeemable even if he has lost a lot of weight. Kill yourself Fatty.

Something I did enjoy from this act is the elimination <object> gag, damnit Vance why can't you just get it together.

Act 4: Trip to Vegas

I don't think there's too much to say about this other than it's the worst period in Fishtank history so far, even worse than the latter stages of S2 which was very bad. There were a handful of fun moments, but by this point the show had well and truly departed from what it was supposed to be and often wasn't even able to stay live.

Credit to the wiggers for at least trying to keep the lights on, but really this felt like a directionless mess and honestly had me feeling pretty depressed that this was how it was ending.

Ending & Result:

There's some people still upset about Burt not getting the 50k despite being the winner, but I think given that he said he was going to give it away, and given the absolute shit show that was the end of the season, it seems fitting that in the end Burt was left stranded in the desert with nothing. Good job to production for finding an ending appropriate for what the show had devolved into, but it goes without saying that this is easily the worst ending of any season and that the S1 ending will likely remain the best for the foreseeable future.

Summary

Overall I think this season firmly took the previous S2 crown of "highest highs and lowest lows". Had we only been evaluating the first four weeks I think S3 would easily be in the conversation for best season so far. However, the failed third and fourth act, the many days of cleaning during the second act and the season generally feeling less like Fishtank than previous seasons has made me think less of S3 after giving myself some space to parse out recency bias.

For these reasons, I think I would rate S3 slightly higher than S2, but worse than S1. While the show delivered a much more consistent first four weeks, the cast, house and overall direction of S3 felt worse than S2 for me, and it just didn't quite feel like a Fishtank season a lot of the time. All this being said, I still enjoyed it a lot and am looking forward to the next season of the show.
 
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During Kawan's crashout Ben kept showing him this tik tok video of different animals driving cars asking which one would you pick as your designated driver, now comes this:
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What song is this? I will hate myself if it's AI slop because I really like this song.
 
Imagine having all of Alex's money and not even being able to land a woman who's a 1/10.
To be fair he has no money besides his allowance, and that allowance is sent to his Ogrina. She's in it for the welfare paid by the Bernard estate and the potential prospect of having the money some day.
 
Someone in Sneedchat also mentioned during the season (I think @attractive_pneumonia ) that the camera distance from the contestants faces compared to previous seasons could have played a part in them being less likeable and I tend to agree with that.
Its not just the camera distance that is an issue, the audio being fucked and lack of TTS for half of the show's run also contribute heavily to this.
 
It's pretty baffling. I can at least sort of understand to some extent kind of (not really) the simps that spend money on actually hot girls, but multiple thousands of dollars for Binx? I don't get it. The funniest part is the more money you spend on an ethot the less likely she is to even consider dating or fucking you. Why would she? She gets your money for doing nothing already.
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I think the simps rationalize it by thinking there's no chance in hell with a 9 or 10, but with a 5-6 there's a chance. The problem is the simps gas up the 5s and 6s to the point where they think and act like they are 9's.
 
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I think the simps rationalize it by thinking there's no chance in hell with a 9 or 10, but with a 5-6 there's a chance. The problem is the simps gas up the 5s and 6s to the point where they think and act like they are 9's.
And this right here is why all men should be against simping. But measuring ”success” by how many downbad losers in your dms want to pump and dump you isn’t a good look for women either.
 
watching the early days of previous seasons made me realize that S3 was the season with the most amount of time where the show didn't quite feel like Fishtank

I respectfully disagree. Season 1 was effectively Famous House in theme: no one could Google the show beforehand because it hadn't happened yet. Vance, Sylvia, and Letty were fans of Sam Hyde, but they didn't know what Fishtank was and were effectively in it for fame. It was initially a spoof of a shitty reality show with no budget. The "reveal" was that they were in Squid Games not autistic Big Brother. Damiel was budget Luke.

The Act 1 major fuckup was the Hulu gaslight: I think if it weren't for that not as many people would have left.

The Act 2 fuck up was the voting mechanic, but they needed it in place for Act 3.

The Act 3 fuckup was the concept of Famous House 2.0. The fish were explicitly told to vote each other out and not worry about the new contestants. In and of itself, it's a cool social deduction game, but it isn't fishtank and it actively discouraged fishtank from happening. Would have worked better if the game was to get the normies to quit. Also could have been better as a second gaslight against the fish: they could have had old fish come back instead of more normies.

It's like they were playing multiple games with different rulesets and production acted surprised when people played those rules. Act 1 had one guy playing Fishtank when the rules were Famous House, and it fucked him over. Arguably the same thing happened Act 2 and eliminated Mizzy. Act 3 had Binx playing "manipulative chameleon" game, and got fucked over outside the tank because the game was actually (finally) Fishtank at that point.
 
The Act 1 major fuckup was the Hulu gaslight: I think if it weren't for that not as many people would have left.
The Hulu gaslight is what made act 1 great. It was the rushed reveal of said gaslight followed by the brutality of the cell challenge that made so many people leave. The first two weeks they insisted on a slow burn and it was working very well. None of them really questioned computer, the increased tension between Sam and Ben, and the transition to more sfx and computer’s increased hostility.

They very clearly wanted to draw it out longer. But something happened in the basement to where they rushed into the reveal, throwing caution to the wayside. Luckily for them it recovered within three days because they managed to keep all the important Fish who were vital to the house social web. Alexis and Sneeds were seen as antagonists at the time, but Simbal was a superior antagonist on all accounts, therefore their departures weren’t as heavy.

It’s the job of the wiggers to mitigate risks associated with sudden shifts in tone on the show. And they are capable of doing this. Giving Mizzy the red pill is a great example. She started growing suspicious and could potentially blow the entire thing up, so they improvised by appealing to her ego in a way that could only result in content. As the season went on they got sloppy.

First it was election night, which they recognized as being too much and wanted to dial things back (they didn’t). Then it was the reveal where they only partially attempted to get people to stay by taking them aside in confessionals with Sam. That didn’t really do much since the cell challenge was right around the corner. A pep talk from Sam isn’t going to help with such a drastic shift from happy fun times to a 100 degree sensory overload chamber. Then it was with Alex and his wife. They didn’t even try to keep him in and actively pushed him out. That’s where all sense of caution was completely gone. Famous House 2.0 largely failed because Production just didn’t give a fuck. They took a slow burn idea and sent it hurtling into the sun at light speed. Again, absolutely no sense of caution. It lasted for only like 3 days AT BEST before falling apart. Vegas was the culmination of not caring as I’m sure we all agree.

The wiggers have learned what to do right, they just can’t help themselves and fall back into their old habits.
 
I think the simps rationalize it by thinking there's no chance in hell with a 9 or 10, but with a 5-6 there's a chance. The problem is the simps gas up the 5s and 6s to the point where they think and act like they are 9's.


tbh, it's kind of impressive how good binx is at simpbaiting. i watched a bit of her blood games stream last night, first one I'd seen in about a week. in that time, she's gone from ~70 paid subscribers to ~270, and is nearing the next tier of twitch partnership (300 subs). multiple dudes were warring to be the #1 donator last night.

then, that lettychud guy that's been dragging her on twitter for a few days joined. her mods immediately banned him. she told them to unban him because "binxsknight needs a rival", and within like 15 minutes she'd already charmed him into buying gift subscriptions. turned an alog into a simp in no time flat.
 
how does jimmy get away with this when scott sullivan's stream was shoah'd super fast after he showed off his toy guns?

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Probably nobody reported him because he gets so few viewers. Pretty sure he's shadowbanned though. Usually when someone I'm subbed to is live it's one of the first recommendations on my home page but Jimbo's streams never show up for me.
 
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