Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

That $225 will be the seed money to start his brothel resort

"Yes, Mr. Greer, this corner lot can be all yours with a down payment of 75 million dollars."
"Uh... whu can I geh wid $225 an a han'jo?
"You can get out of my office."

 

[StinkySnack]

The silence and lack of EMERGENCY filings by Russell since yesterday leads me to believe he's panicking hardcore over the leaked phone numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if lurkers or Redditors have attempted to contact Scott and Nathan, which likely resulting in them scolding Rusty and maybe even demanding he drop the suit nonsense altogether.

I think the next we hear from him will be a bat-shit insane filing about how Hardin broke the law by filing the phone numbers, demanding the judge sanction him, and filing complaints with the Bar Association.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I caution all about getting in any way optimistic about this case. Actual rules of law and nation and the protections of such don't seem to apply to Dear Feeder sadly. My money is still on the Judge Ordering Null executed by New Years. Because that's how insanely stupid all of this is.

But I do think the Judge has laid a trap for Greer. Which he walked right into. We will have to see how next week goes.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

We will have to see how next week goes.

While I am optimistic about a ruling in the next few days, realistically we're probably not going to see anything until the 24th, at the soonest, wherein the Judge would resolve both issues at one time.

 

[The Man With No Name]

we're probably not going to see anything until the 24th

Christmas Example chances dramatically rising

 

[WelperHelper99]

While I am optimistic about a ruling in the next few days, realistically we're probably not going to see anything until the 24th, at the soonest, wherein the Judge would resolve both issues at one time.

I imagine post Christmas. Different court, but when I had to deal with a accident at this time of year here in UT, they shoved everything to January. That's just my experience

 

[Thomas Talus]

I imagine post Christmas. Different court, but when I had to deal with a accident at this time of year here in UT, they shoved everything to January. That's just my experience

December in general is a time dilation zone for courts; the county court I practice in the most puts out notices in late November that if you want a family law judgment signed before the new year, it needs to be submitted before December 1st.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

he has to be filing these late on purpose

I'm thinking Russell's plan was to fool Hardin into filing "Plaintiff still sent us nothing!" only to have to say "Never mind, he sent something late" because in Russell's mind that makes Hardin look bad, like he was lying the first time!

 

[Bogliacci]

I'm thinking Russell's plan was to fool Hardin into filing "Plaintiff still sent us nothing!" only to have to say "Never mind, he sent something late" because in Russell's mind that makes Hardin look bad, like he was lying the first time!

I wonder if he thinks it makes Hardin look petty for filing that Russ didn't meet the deadline and was still late. Only 2 hours Hardin, don't you realize that deadlines aren't real and as long as you sort of get close to it afterwards you're still good!

 

[and six goriilion others]

Seems he's banking on the "it wasn't harmful" argument. I guess the logic being that Hardin wouldn't have been able to do anything until the following morning anyway, thus no harm being done. I could see the judge buying that.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Seems he's banking on the "it wasn't harmful" argument. I guess the logic being that Hardin wouldn't have been able to do anything until the following morning anyway, thus no harm being done. I could see the judge buying that.

Yeah, but that doesn't shouldn't matter since Greer didn't do the disclosure right.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Yeah, but that doesn't shouldn't matter since Greer didn't do the disclosure right.

This is going to matter much more than the deadline miss - which is just icing.

ONE mistake may have been acceptable- if he had sent something that was correct but a few hours late the judge would notice but probably allow it.

Or if he had filed something early but wrong, the judge would have tried to repair.

But the combination is pretty good evidence of recalcitrant compliance and deliberate obfuscation.

The only thing really saving his ass at this moment is he’s the plaintiff; a defendant ducking around like this would have already been Jones’d.

 

[Harvey Danger]

I wonder if he thinks it makes Hardin look petty for filing that Russ didn't meet the deadline and was still late. Only 2 hours Hardin, don't you realize that deadlines aren't real and as long as you sort of get close to it afterwards you're still good!

That two hours is almost an explicit admission that he's doing it on purpose. His email didn't take 2 hours to write, and since he was sending emails in the weeks before the deadline, he clearly had time to send that one too. Who is sitting up at 2 AM suddenly remembering to send a weeks-overdue email, unless he's intentionally waiting to be late?

 

[RodgerDodger]

This is going to matter much more than the deadline miss - which is just icing.

ONE mistake may have been acceptable- if he had sent something that was correct but a few hours late the judge would notice but probably allow it.

Or if he had filed something early but wrong, the judge would have tried to repair.

But the combination is pretty good evidence of recalcitrant compliance and deliberate obfuscation.

The only thing really saving his ass at this moment is he’s the plaintiff; a defendant ducking around like this would have already been Jones’d.

The Judge is going to slam him. It's taken him years, and multiple court orders to produce something he could have produced day one in under 10 minutes. And he still didn't complete the assignment.

 

[waffle]

Here's how people who think nothing ever happens need to look at this. In the military they will have rules of engagement and for unarmed civilians it will be something like shout, shove, show (your rifle and that it's loaded), shoot. Sometimes they add in extra shit like fire a pen flare at them before the gun, or you have to shoot a warning shot near their feet first. At the end of the day they don't want you to ice too many third world retards because it will be a problem, so you have to go through the escalation of force first. It's the same with judges and doing shit to pro se people, you have to warn them of shit and give them a chance to act right before you hammer them. The judge is somewhere between "shove" and "show" with case ending sanctions. I expect he will just shoot next, but Russ is at least getting a warning shot or a pen flare over all this bullshit.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

We are very likely to hear an argument from greer that Hardin shouldn't have been able to get any extra time for the $275 because he clearly has nothing better to do if he's so concerned with russ being late by 2 hours

it will be a stupid argument but that's the way he thinks, as if he's some grandmaster- two steps ahead of actual lawyers. (edit: meanwhile, he's usually trying to argue about stuff that has already been decided)

L

 

[reactionary]

 

[Kosher Dill]

It wouldn't entirely surprise me if we see consequences this time around. Violating "the rules" (whether they come from Civil Procedure, the state, the federal government, or God Himself) is harmlessly curable in any amount, but disobeying a direct order from the judge? Well, now it's personal.

 

[jerkstore]

it has been a treasure catching up on this thread since 12/10. i feel more rainbows than ever. russ is fucking this up more than ever. merry farmsmas.

 

[Bogliacci]

I caution all about getting in any way optimistic about this case. Actual rules of law and nation and the protections of such don't seem to apply to Dear Feeder sadly. My money is still on the Judge Ordering Null executed by New Years. Because that's how insanely stupid all of this is.

But I do think the Judge has laid a trap for Greer. Which he walked right into. We will have to see how next week goes.

The Judge is going to slam him. It's taken him years, and multiple court orders to produce something he could have produced day one in under 10 minutes. And he still didn't complete the assignment.

its over

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