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The Ugly One said:
There are enough rule changes that it is not backward compatible. It's as much a new edition as 2e or 3.5 was. And as far as I know, they're not going to keep printing any of the 5e books.
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You know what, I havent really kept track. What are the major rule changes here?
 
Trench Crusade is launching its kickstarter now, im utterly curious on if it still has maintained its buzz after the austistic drama where the people who were hosting the creators in their discord banned anyone to the right of Mao who were looking for an alternative to Warhammer products
Ive popped into the discord and it has alot of uwu they/thems in it alongside some regular people who refuse to even question it, although the discussions dont get too autistic, Norn Queen Alexis (now renamed Norn Queen Kya) still is a mod and still sometimes posts "uwu chuds dont want us girlies in the hobby" baitposts on reddit


A primer of that drama is below

Sunflower Samurai said:
HECKING CHUDDERINO ALERT!
For those of you who arent twitter-pozzed, there has been some really funny drama going on with independant wargame, Trench Crusade
https://www.trenchcrusade.com/ https://archive.ph/HPqvt
Its a skrimish wargame based on an art project where the forces of heaven and hell battle it out in debased and brutal ways, with both sides being mutilated husks relying on zealotry, ultra-violence, and hellish or holy magicks in an alt WW1 between the forces of heaven and hell fought on earth. The game just had a successful kickstarter and is being designed by one of the OG designers of Mordheim, from Warhammer fame

The Game got viral due to a tweet where someone offers it as a viable alternative to warhammer, getting very popular on twitter and noticed by even normies due to the striking imagery, but what many who just liked the post and moved on didnt noticed, the OP is a filthy fucking CHUD
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Verdun_Salient said:
Does anybody still play Shadowrun?
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I do quite regularly, but only because I have a long term group that does. If that fell apart I doubt I'd try and find a replacement, especially since 6E is an absolute fucking shitshow.

Also speaking of SR, out of boredom I recently read one of the newer novel trilogies and holy shit they're bad. I mean I wasn't expecting much and even then they were bad. It was basically like a checklist of all modern day-isms that ruin shit.
 
East_Clintwood said:
I do quite regularly, but only because I have a long term group that does. If that fell apart I doubt I'd try and find a replacement, especially since 6E is an absolute fucking shitshow.

Also speaking of SR, out of boredom I recently read one of the newer novel trilogies and holy shit they're bad. I mean I wasn't expecting much and even then they were bad. It was basically like a checklist of all modern day-isms that ruin shit.
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I never actually read the novels, didn't know they were bad, I wish Shadowrun could get a more competent publisher, it is an awesome setting. Funnily, no one I know, not even online uses 6E, it's all 5E
I once tried to graft Shadowrun to play on CP2020 rules, since I always thought its rules were better.
 
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Thoughts on gnomish fascism? I like the idea of a Gnome Reich to explain why all the PC adventurer gnomes are such detestable creatures: they were exiled/escaped the noose for being freaks deemed a threat to the state. Pic would be the ideal citizen.
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Verdun_Salient said:
I never actually read the novels, didn't know they were bad,
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The original 40 or so FASA novels are (mostly) quite good IMO. They're available as e-books if you're interested (drop me a PM if you are interested and can't find them yourself)


Verdun_Salient said:
I wish Shadowrun could get a more competent publisher, it is an awesome setting.
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It's not just that Catalyst is incompetent, which they very much are, it's also that they don't seem to like SR much. I remember reading a claim many years ago that they only wanted the BT license, but had to take SR as well to get it, which is why SR gets the red headed stepchild treatment, and honestly that sounds plausible.

For the longest time the players have been hoping CGL would lose the license and that Pegasus (the company who produce German exclusive SR stuff) could pick it up. Their stuff from what I've heard is significantly better. Honestly I'd take CGL simply licensing the rights to translate Pegasus stuff into English.


Verdun_Salient said:
Funnily, no one I know, not even online uses 6E, it's all 5E
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Yeah 6E went down like shit with the vast majority of the community. Even the subreddit hates it, and you know it must be bad when even Redditors agree it's shit.
 
Gingervitis said:
You know what, I havent really kept track. What are the major rule changes here?
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no races but species, attribute bonuses, skill proficiencies and tool prof comes from backrounds, all classes has some form of teleporting, healing, skill monkeying( barbarian can roll stealth perception etc by str, fighter can add d10's from his second wind to any skill etc.) subrise/ambush= suprised charaters roll initiative twice get the lower result, ambushing chars roll twice get the higher initiative. steath is rolled against dc 15 not to passive perception.
 
Gingervitis said:
You know what, I havent really kept track. What are the major rule changes here?
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They've fiddled with things across the board. Classes, races, monster stats, and spells have changed. Thus they're not going to continue printing 5e content, because it's no longer compatible.
 
Ghostse said:
Why the fuck would they memory hole LMoP? That's 5e content from CURRENT YEAR theres no wrongthink in there
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They didn't memoryhole it, like I said before it was rolled into the newer adventure book Phandelver and Below. Yeah, they replaced it in the Starter Set with a new adventure (presumably because they think people are too stupid to figure out why it's called Dungeons and Dragons if you aren't immediately doing something with dungeons and dragons in it), but it's still available for purchase and likely will be for the foreseeable future.
The Ugly One said:
There are enough rule changes that it is not backward compatible. It's as much a new edition as 2e or 3.5 was. And as far as I know, they're not going to keep printing any of the 5e books.
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They'll probably stop selling the original core rulebooks, but I don't see why they'd throw out all the other adventures and splatbooks they've released. There are rule changes, sure, but not to the extent that you can't run a pre-2024 adventure with new characters; you just have to be sure to pick one ruleset and stick with it when it comes to things like combat or handling DCs. It's backwards compatible, but not forwards compatible; you should be able to use your old characters in the new rules (potentially with some minor issues), but you can't use new characters with old rules.

Honestly though, if you're dead set on using the new rules, I don't see why you wouldn't just start fresh with a new character and save yourself the headache. But anyone who's attached to their character likely won't want to, which may make them reluctant to switch over and could torpedo their whole relaunch. I dunno, I guess we'll see how it pans out once it's in people's hands.
Gingervitis said:
You know what, I havent really kept track. What are the major rule changes here?
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RPGBOT has a whole massive article detailing all the changes between original and 2024 rules. The biggest change is how characters are created, as well as a lot of class updates, but there are some changes to general play rules as well. It's way too much to go into, so I'd advise just taking a gander at whatever you're interested in.
 
The Ugly One said:
There are enough rule changes that it is not backward compatible. It's as much a new edition as 2e or 3.5 was. And as far as I know, they're not going to keep printing any of the 5e books.
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I would say it's more along the lines of 3->3.5. None of the fundamentals change, but some of the rules text on backgrounds, races, classes, feats, and occasionally spells changed. You can take a 5e subclass like say swarm ranger and it's text will lego piece lock into 2024 ranger text pretty well. I personally view it as a much more aggressive attempt to balance shit like they did in Volos except now they can make nerfs/changes to existing classes instead of just making optional rules to try to make terrible classes like ranger, barbarian and monk less terrible. Biggest loser in all this is paladin, but that's fine because fuck paladin.

But it's not like you're sitting down to the table with your fresh alchemist (which didn't get 2024'd) and everyone with 2024 characters are going to start rolling for anal circumference using their body dice pool while you look on confused. You could easily have half the characters in your playgroup with 2014 characters and half with 2024 and you'd have to be well versed in 5e to tell which is which.

They are going to for sure stop making new 2014 5e books though because their schtick is that it's backwards compatible (and aside from balance concerns it probably is).

I have a 11 conjuration wizard / 1 ranger for skill monkey shit and the only real change I have to make is that conjuration doesn't exist in updated 2024 form and a 1 level dip in ranger is terrible for skill monkey shit now (rogue is now much better for that). Both my race and background weren't updated but it's easy enough to just port goblin over word for word and refluff criminal into urchin.
 
Adamska said:
Cuck Wendig
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A bit off topic, but it's weird how his name keeps coming up. He's one of those lolcows that seems to crop up in controversies occasionally. I'm sure you could play a weird game of six degrees of Kevin Bacon with Cuck Wendig. Brianna Wu and Legobutts could be other options.

East_Clintwood said:
I do quite regularly, but only because I have a long term group that does. If that fell apart I doubt I'd try and find a replacement, especially since 6E is an absolute fucking shitshow.

Also speaking of SR, out of boredom I recently read one of the newer novel trilogies and holy shit they're bad. I mean I wasn't expecting much and even then they were bad. It was basically like a checklist of all modern day-isms that ruin shit.
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As a filthy casual who likes Savage Worlds, whatever happened to Interface Zero?

I remember that being hyped up as THE cyberpunk game to end all cyberpunk games. Being up there with GURPs Cyberpunk but covering a wider range. Then BLM happened and from what I understand, the writer autist threw a fit and refused to write the cop adventure which was promised as part of the kickstarter. He did so reluctantly, but then the book was hit with several delays. I did a quick google search and it appears on DriveThru with middling reviews.
 
I had this cooking in the back of my head for a while with the "Everything goes in the D&D5e hole."
10 billion hours in Kdenlive
 
People have been trying and failing to make everything work in a D&D framework forever. Remember the d20 explosion back in the 00s?
 
The Ugly One said:
People have been trying and failing to make everything work in a D&D framework forever. Remember the d20 explosion back in the 00s?
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Endless amounts of 3rd party splat books back then. I own a bunch of random ones that I've picked up from bargain bins at game shops and Gen Con. The only ones worth a damn are books with monsters in it though.

I played D20 modern a couple times too, I remember it being a big mess.
 
Mr. Manchester said:
I played D20 modern a couple times too, I remember it being a big mess.
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You've got to be the first person I've ever seen admitting to having played D20 Modern. I took one look at that system, and then at the equipment tables, and immediately dismissed it. Level-based systems that increase your HP per level do not mix well with firearms, no matter how much 5e/Pathfinder gunslingers insist they do.
 
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