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[quaawaa]

Hacker News discusses the vibrancy of cities:




Bonus, a German says that their cities aren't violent:

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[JJLiautaud]

Bonus, a German says that their cities aren't violent:
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They jailed a woman for expressing outrage at a bunch of gangrapists getting less than a 6 month suspended sentence. They sent the police after a highschooler for making pro-AfD tiktoks. They also are currently prosecuting a man for making a list of insults politicians made about anti-vaxxers.
Sorry about the single source but he's the only guy who talks about this nonsense in english.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Hacker News discusses the vibrancy of cities:

Wouldn't "it's not actually more crime, it's just denser" suggest that density is inherently harmful and no one should advocate for it?

 

[Cedric_Eff]

Nobody show /r/fuckcars this:
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I thought only Americans liked lifting trucks? How could the Japanese do this?!?!? Why don't they ride the train?!?!?

I have neighbors around who drive an Jimny and and another one who’ve done this. Japan does have car culture but it’s hasn’t been like what it used to be.

Also good urban planning is fine and all but saying Japan’s no-side walk neighborhood is a good design is not fine at all. God knows how many times I nearly get run over by elderly drivers here because there’s so much blind corners.

Oh also, according to these Euros and Amerifats that praise Japan as this great bastion for urban design, blind corners and having no sidewalks is an good thing.

 

[LaxerBRO]

They jailed a woman for expressing outrage at a bunch of gangrapists getting less than a 6 month suspended sentence. They sent the police after a highschooler for making pro-AfD tiktoks. They also are currently prosecuting a man for making a list of insults politicians made about anti-vaxxers.
Sorry about the single source but he's the only guy who talks about this nonsense in english.

Germany will jail people that insult others in a way they don't like:

Reporting from BERLIN —

A man who unleashed a string of expletives at a mass shooter in Munich, Germany, back in July could have faced charges from the state prosecutor. The reason? A 19th century law that makes it a crime to disparage another person.

After Ali Sonboly went on a rampage that killed nine people, he stood on the roof of a parking garage and engaged in a strange shouting match with a man on a nearby balcony. Thomas Salbey, a 57-year-old backhoe operator, hurled a seemingly never-ending stream of epithets at the teenage gunman and threw a beer bottle at him; the profanity-laced exchange was captured in a cellphone video that was widely shared on social media and TV news.

A local woman requested that charges be brought against Salbey after watching the clip on television — and, if charged, Salbey could have ended up in jail for a year or faced a hefty fine for his coarse language.

Other countries, even Western ones aren't really that free.

The UK police will arrest you for putting up an Islam is Questionable banner on your house:

A ROSYTH man painted a sign on his home with the message: “Islam is Questionable”.


Graham Evans then carried out a dirty protest in a cell at Dunfermline police station by smearing excrement on the walls.

Evans was charged with breach of the peace for putting the slogan up on his house but was found not guilty after a trial.

However, he was jailed for his actions at the police station.

Evans, 40, of Queensferry Road, appeared from custody at Dunfermline Sheriff Court.

He faced a charge that on April 19, at his home, he painted religiously abusive and provocative language on the wall and committed a breach of the peace.

Japan has marathon interrogations with no access to a lawyer:

The 13-minute video (with English captions) shows the prosecutor showering abusive language at Eguchi, who remains silent.

“You’re a brat, aren’t you? You’re like a child,” the prosecutor from Yokohama District Public Prosecutors Office says in the video. “You’re just annoying. You’re just a pain in the ass. That’s all.”

Eguchi, who was accused of inducing his client to make a false statement regarding a car accident, had said that he was innocent and expressed his intention to exercise his right under the Japanese constitution to remain silent. Eguchi’s lawyer was not allowed to be present.

However, like in many other cases, the interrogation continued for 21 days, over a total of 56 hours, as the prosecutor insulted Eguchi to fuel his anxiety. At one point he pulled out Eguchi’s middle school grades. “It looks like you weren’t very good at math, science or any science stuff,” the prosecutor said. “[Y]our logical sense is a bit off.”

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I am not saying that the US is fine but we are a hell of a lot better that the rest of the Western world in terms of negative rights.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Japan has marathon interrogations with no access to a lawyer:

I know the criminal justice in One Piece is of the "you were arrested, you wouldn't be arrested if you were innocent, therefore automatically guilty" variety. Clearly that's exaggerated but I wonder how much of it is a parody of Japan's swift and brutal justice system.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Wouldn't "it's not actually more crime, it's just denser" suggest that density is inherently harmful and no one should advocate for it?

There’s an argument against density and I don’t know how to formulate it, but is along the lines of if you go and piss in the woods it’s not a problem, but if 50,000 people piss in the same place in the woods, it’s a major fucking problem.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

There’s an argument against density and I don’t know how to formulate it, but is along the lines of if you go and piss in the woods it’s not a problem, but if 50,000 people piss in the same place in the woods, it’s a major fucking problem.

"Tragedy of the commons"?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

"Tragedy of the commons"?

Yeah that’s close but not quite it. It’s more like how a given area of land has a certain carrying capacity and if you go above that shit gets ficked.

 

[Meriasek]

Or you really like cars but you're poor and that's the best you can afford. And there's nothing wrong with that either.

Jason can't even imagine poverty.

And yes, in Germany you can get fined for insulting politicians. Some of our more prominent members of Parliament try to sue hundreds of people per week for saying means things about them on the Internet.
And our cities aren't exactly safe, at least some of them. Japan just put out a travel warning for Düsseldorf due to the ongoing gang wars there and Düsseldorf having a large Japanese community. Yesterday a Jordanian taxi driver went on a rampage and deliberately ran over women in Cologne.
Stabbings every other day. We don't need guns to be unsafe.

 

[LaxerBRO]

There’s an argument against density and I don’t know how to formulate it, but is along the lines of if you go and piss in the woods it’s not a problem, but if 50,000 people piss in the same place in the woods, it’s a major fucking problem.

Carrying Capacity?

The carrying capacity of an environment is the maximum population size of a biological species that can be sustained by that specific environment, given the food, habitat, water, and other resources available.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

That’s it - from nature. Enhancements from science/tech/self control can raise that for humans, but I dare say the concept can be applied to a bunch of things.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Not entirely related to the thread but the cope was so intense I had to share it:

Are Redditors seriously trying to "gaslight" people into believing that it's an "alt-right conspiracy theory" to think American urban hellscapes aren't hellholes? I've lived in a big American city and it was hellish -- even if it was a more mild hell compared to NYC.

 

[Lemon-Lime Turpentine]

The invention of the white light LED and its proliferation has been a disaster for the human race.

Why haven't you taken matters into your own hands?
Why haven't you sewn together platters from old hard drives and attached them to the back of your car? There's no excuse.


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[LaxerBRO]

Are Redditors seriously trying to "gaslight" people into believing that it's an "alt-right conspiracy theory" to think American urban hellscapes aren't hellholes? I've lived in a big American city and it was hellish -- even if it was a more mild hell compared to NYC.

I believe that people have become acclimated into conditions that would be viewed as a hellhole.

As an example, if a friend has a cat or dog their house may smell like piss but they are so used to it that they don't think a second thought. Similarly, we see this with niggers and smoke alarms (ceiling bird) where the low battery notification was so present in their lives that they do not notice it.

Case in point, here is an example from that sub:

I’d say no because plenty of the doomers see a homeless person sleeping in the subway, see 2 people yelling at each other on the street, someone smoking a joint in Washington Square Park, and maybe someone jumping a turnstile and think they just barely made it alive out of their visit to the crime ridden hell hole

People come to this sub almost every day thinking they were in immediate danger because they saw someone shoot up / steal some makeup from CVS / someone looked at their direction for more than 3 seconds . Doomers have no connection to reality

While a visitor may not be at immediate danger, such conditions are not desirable nor indicative of a healthy society.

As you see, the redditor believes that reality is one where their is rampant theft, open drug use, glaring at them, or just disregard for basic rules.

But to my cousin from Taipei who has lived in Singapore:


Such, I think their view of reality is colored by how shitty the city is.

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It was already touched on here but tourist spots are not The City.


What do you mean Haiti is a shithole?

I went to Haiti on vacation!

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Hacker News discusses the vibrancy of cities:

One doesn't need to be a victim of physical violence to hate cities.

Imagine you have just finished an overtime shift and are tired. The escalator to the subway is broken and the elevator smells of piss. You trudge your way down to the platform for the 45 minute ride back home.

At the bottom of the steps is some blood, you step around. You pay your fare at the turnstile but someone jumps it, for a brief moment you ask why you even both paying. Finally, your subway car arrives. You enter the car and see an empty seat, but once you get to it you see a used syringe on it.

You try to find another empty seat and get lucky. But before you sit down, you glance at the seat to make sure no bum pissed on it.

You haven't forgotten THAT DAY.

Good, no piss.

The subway starts moving and you start to focus on what's playing on your smartphone. The subway get to the next stop but you are too engrossed to notice. However, your focus is soon broken by a nigger play his shitty mumble rap mixed tape at full blast from his Bluetooth speakers. Even with your noise cancelling earbuds, the racket still breaks through.

You just sit in silence for the next 30 minutes until the nigger leaves. Finally, quiet.

But then you smell a foul odor. Not of bodily fluids but of narcotics. Someone is smoking drugs on the train. You quickly stand up and move, your job requires drug testing so you need to avoid a potential contact high.

In the corner, you hang on to the strap for the next 15 minutes. As your stop approaches, you are eager to get off. Stepping off the subway, you are dead tired and just want to get home. You see a line at the stairs and chances the elevator...you wait.

The door opens and the smell of pungent body odor overwhelms you. In the car is a homeless person that has fallen asleep or passed out. You sigh as you trudge up the stairs to your $2800 studio apartment:

None of those experiences were threatening or violent. They were just normal realities in cities but they continually wear upon you.

 

[BulkForceFive]

Hacker News discusses the vibrancy of cities:
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Bonus, a German says that their cities aren't violent:
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Oh wow, so they DO understand 'per capita' after all!

Now we just need to work on their perception of danger. Quiz: which is more indicative of danger? A) common antisocial behaviour done in broad daylight or B) a Confederate flag bumper sticker

 

[Yamamura]

Why haven't you taken matters into your own hands?
Why haven't you sewn together platters from old hard drives and attached them to the back of your car? There's no excuse.
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Ah, but it REQUIRES a truck or large vehicle to have a large flat perpendicular surface area to mount them to. Checkmate urbanists.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

None of those experiences were threatening or violent. They were just normal realities in cities but they continually wear upon you.

This is what they don't get - enjoyment of time has a great deal to do with how much you control that time and location. In your house, it might be a mess, and you might even feel better if you clean up, but it's under your control. In a city (shitty) there's so much that is not under your control, and when it is BAD it really wears you down.

A nice city may not be under your control, but if it's clean and quiet and well mannered, you fit in and feel fine.

And a car is an extension of your home that allows you to move around in areas out of your control in a space that you control.

 

[quaawaa]

CityNerd officially joining Jason's category of "anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot".

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But Jason doesn't read comments, guys.

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The video is out but spoiler: it's just fanservice.

Spoiler: YouTube

He actually tells this person that the Handmaiden's Tale is hysteria:


The first part of video is being mad that the Heritage Foundation proposed political tests for bureaucrats:

Some comments from his fans:



He only normally reads "10 comments a week":

A quick recap on how I deal with comments. The algorithm really does a pretty good job of sorting the highest
value comments to the top of the feed and what I do is Thursday morning every week I read the top 10 comments and
usually respond. I don't even bother reading the rest which I assume get progressively stupider.

but he read "all 4000 comments" on the Project 2025 video.

He denies deleting some guy's comment pointing out that Trump had nothing to do with Project 2025:


He then shows comments from viewers who agree with him:


In response to this comment, he says that the Feds can't give money to states without strings attached because rural people control state legislatures:

The underlying point here is state legislators by their nature are often even more disproportionately rural leaning than the US Senate and the Electoral College so devolving power to States is in most cases even more retrograde than the system we have now.

Imagine how bad it would be if public transit was privatized like it is in Japan:


Finally a comment that disagrees with him:

Thanks YouTube for shilling his conspiracy theory-laden video to normies.

He "debunks" the statement by showing the most expensive real estate listings in NYC (note that the double digit million dollar listings are for an entire apartment buildings, not single residences):


Using his logic, since this house costs $300 million and those NYC condo buildings cost less than a tenth as much, so there is obviously more demand for living in suburban Florida than NYC:


Back to showing comments that agree with him:











He then says that it's concerning that one of the author's names means "God of Fear in German":



Cool it with the antisemitism:


He then shows even more comments from people who agree with him:

""""non-political channel"""":



He agrees with the above commentor and says:

I mean if you're really suggesting that I make a three-hour video essay that covers every single chapter of Project 2025 careful what you wish for because I absolutely will do it.

Not all of his supporters watch his videos. Some are weakened by the mere sound of the word "Project 2025":




Finally, some based comments:




He dismisses them by asserting that they couldn't possibly have watched his video, because if they had they would obviously agree with him:

Actually reading through the totality of the comments did make me wonder how many people actually did watch the video. Probably not these people who I'm guessing are just straight up trolls who I assume not only haven't read Project 2025 but don't care what's in it because the only thing that actually matters is that it makes the people they don't like mad but some people are legitimately pro-Project 2025.

Ray tries and fails to formulate a response to this comment:

Is this guy an urbanist because kind of get the feeling he's just never been to a city?

He assumed a commenter's gender:


Unlike Jason, he welcomes hate comments for the algorithm boost:


He calls these people dumb for thinking that he didn't cite Trump's actual plans despite Project 2025 having no connection to Trump:

So apparently we've reached the point where disinformation is defined as someone reading verbatim passages from the primary document itself which is basically what my video was.

Yes, Ray. That's what your side has been calling "disinformation" since the moment they created that word. You're missing the point that the document you cited is completely irrelevant.



He then picks out comments calling him a dumbass rather than ones that try to argue against him:


Including some calling him a soyboy:

I can assure all of you that I am very very regular

People telling him to stop being so smug:









No, you have to watch the entire video before criticizing me, it's not my responsibility to present my argument well:


His dumbass followers thought he became a conservative because he mentioned Project 2025:









The next batch of comments are about Trump having no connection to Project 2025:






His response:

It's like these people live in a world where the campaign promises of a guy who lies constantly carry more weight than his actual track record from the first time he held the job.

He then mocks someone who says he should try to convince others:

Did you know Trump is actually an urbanist according to guy who's active in the Michigan Republican party who also thinks I should try being more like Strong Towns because they aren't patronizing and furthermore did I know
that Trump is against sprawl?

Trump is famous for his low density developments:

Spoiler: Archive

Ray loves this comment that totally happened:


He then talks about some comments that disliked him hating on cargo pants in his sponsored segment:





The final comment in the video:




He then says that Trump will abolish elections:

Just keep in mind if the wrong person wins in November there's a decent chance you won't be inconvenienced [by voting] anymore and that would be a leopard's eating faces level calamity.

The title was clearly a lie:

There was no "evisceration".

There was just shockingly little criticism of the actual substance of what I said in the video

Really? From the original video:
















(Unfortunately the commentor is incorrect. Ray does not live in a single-family home. He's a rootless cosmopolitan who moves from city to city for no reason other than boredom. There's a segment in the Project 2025 Comments video where he mentions that he's moving from Albuquerque.)




Nope, no comments at all that criticized what you said in the video. Guess the reason he mostly picked comments from sycophants is because he can't formulate counter arguments.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

One doesn't need to be a victim of physical violence to hate cities.

Where I lived, I was surrounded by humans all the time. Humans in almost every direction in the small apartment I lived in, humans walking by, humans making too much noise. No real culture -- a big shopping center (like George Carlin describing most of America). Signs of crime even if I wasn't a victim of any major crime myself. "SJW" slogans. Mentally ill people yelling stuff. Homeless people camping in the park. Living in that big city has taught me to dislike "relocating among other humans", as one soy put it.

[screencap of a soy being soy]